what's the deal with cait sith

[Jakuzi]

seriously why is this clown even in the ♥♥♥♥ing game?
of all the poorly written characters with vague motives this guy is such a ♥♥♥♥ing mess
all he does is steal something (which we immediately get back)
sacrifice himself ( even tho we know in advance he won't die)
tell a fortune that isn't accurate
and then have a monologue where he talks about being a stuffed animal even tho he's not?

and he's being controlled by the head of security or whatever which also why doesn't that guy have more important things to do than tell fortunes over a robot
surely he has some staff
but then again he seems unhinged based on the ♥♥♥♥ he say under the guise of cait sith so I dunno

like the turks are already dumb enough characters since we're expected to like them around the midway point even tho they kidnap people and commit mass murder but like

how did the writers not see that cait sith had no reason to exist

[chairman meow]

Cait Sith represents a different viewpoint. He isn't totally anti-Shinra nor pro-Shinra. It's been a while since I last played, but I think Cait Sith was the one who asked Barrett about his role in all the civilian deaths caused after the bombing of the reactor and collapse of the plate. Reeve is also the one who evacuates people from Midgar before Meteor. I see Caith Sith/Reeve as someone who stood on the sidelines at first but then stepped up to help when they saw people/the Planet in danger.

[Electric Cupcake]

Publicado originalmente por chairman meow:

Cait Sith represents a different viewpoint. He isn't totally anti-Shinra nor pro-Shinra. It's been a while since I last played, but I think Cait Sith was the one who asked Barrett about his role in all the civilian deaths caused after the bombing of the reactor and collapse of the plate. Reeve is also the one who evacuates people from Midgar before Meteor. I see Caith Sith/Reeve as someone who stood on the sidelines at first but then stepped up to help when they saw people/the Planet in danger.

For more of Reeve's personality and mindset, see Episode: Denzel, either the animation included on the Advent Children Bluray or the original section of the On the Way to a Smile sequel compilation.
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[Teratus]

Publicado originalmente por San Goku:

I can't say that about Vincent because he is the most useless char by far even if I like him.

I dunno about that, Vincent is the best natural magic user you can recruit.. but his limit's are extremely limited in use due to being uncontrollable, but they are really powerful despite that handicap.
I'm barely into what would be disk 2 in my current game and Vincent's Beast Flare from his lvl 1 limit is doubling the damage of Beta which is one of the strongest magic attacks in the game.

He's very useful for most of the game, just not so much at the endgame point.

[Teratus]

Well for obvious reasons Aeris isn't really a factor at play.

Cloud may have a slightly higher magic stat but it's wasted on him tbh as he's the strongest physical attacker you can have stat wise with Barret trailing close behind.

Cait Sith does rival Vincent's magic stat and he does have more base HP that is true but Vincent has higher max MP than any other character you'll have at Endgame including Cloud which makes him better suited to be your dedicated caster.
Base HP is much less important than base MP if you ask me since most will likely play with each character running a HP Materia anyway to get max HP.
MP Materia is kind of a waste at that point as well so it's not worth having when you could slot another spell or summon in it's place.

So yeah technically stat wise you are correct, Vincent isn't the strongest magic user but I would argue he is the best magic user based on everything I said above combined with how his ultimate weapon works.. takes a lot of grinding to get that thing maxed out which really isn't worth the time tbh.

[NBOX21]

Publicado originalmente por San Goku:

I know a magic trick to see the real FF7:

-Don't grind and you will see the normal mode of FF7.
-Escape any 1+ or 2+ turns fights and you will see the hard mode of FF7.

Do this and you will be on the light side of gaming.

And that's the real beauty of a game like this - you have so many options to play the game the way you want to play, even if it means making the game easier or harder for yourself. It's all up to you to get the most enjoyment out of it.

[Zeithri]

Simple.

Reeves is a Puppet Master and Cait Sith is an Automaton.

[chairman meow]

Publicado originalmente por San Goku:

You have to understand that if you are grinding you are playing the game on easy mode. Doing so you can't know what is strong or not because we need challenge to see what is really strong.

-Thats why you are underestimating Aeris. Aeris limit1 Seal Evil is very strong against a lot of bosses and even more mixed with Cloud second limit1. That mean you need 0 kills on them to have a very strong way to kill a lot of bosses.

-Thats why you are not understanding that killing monsters with Vincent for his ultimate weapon is a total waste of time. There is no real reasons to have attack power on Vincent ultimate weapon.
Kills are useful to unlock level3 limits of characters with very strong limits like Barret, Cloud(cost a lot of kills), Cid or Yuffie.

I know a magic trick to see the real FF7:

-Don't grind and you will see the normal mode of FF7.
-Escape any 1+ or 2+ turns fights and you will see the hard mode of FF7.

Do this and you will be on the light side of gaming.

Thank goodness we have San Goku to tell us that we've been playing FF7 wrong all these years. San Goku must be blessed with the wisdom of the Ancients, here to lead us on the one true path through FF7.

[Teratus]

Publicado originalmente por San Goku:

You have to understand that if you are grinding you are playing the game on easy mode. Doing so you can't know what is strong or not because we need challenge to see what is really strong.

-Thats why you are underestimating Aeris. Aeris limit1 Seal Evil is very strong against a lot of bosses and even more mixed with Cloud second limit1. That mean you need 0 kills on them to have a very strong way to kill a lot of bosses.

-Thats why you are not understanding that killing monsters with Vincent for his ultimate weapon is a total waste of time. There is no real reasons to have attack power on Vincent ultimate weapon.
Kills are useful to unlock level3 limits of characters with very strong limits like Barret, Cloud(cost a lot of kills), Cid or Yuffie.

I know a magic trick to see the real FF7:

-Don't grind and you will see the normal mode of FF7.
-Escape any 1+ or 2+ turns fights and you will see the hard mode of FF7.

Do this and you will be on the light side of gaming.

I think you misunderstood me.

I wasn't saying Vincent's ultimate weapon was good I was implying it was bad because of the grind it needs to max out.

That partly what makes him a better choice as a pure magic user while Cloud who does have a better magic stat than Vincent is better off as a physical attacker because only Barret has a Strength stat that can match it, every other character is weaker in that stat.

I also wasn't saying that Aeris was a bad either, I agree she's an exceptionally good character but she's only available for a certain period of time in the early game.
Past that point she's completely irrelevant because you can't use her anymore.

When it comes down to Cait Sith vs Vincent as the better magic user it only really comes down to which you prefer.
Cait has higher HP which can be negated by a HP materia.
Vincent has higher MP which can be negated by a MP materia.

I'd argue most people will generally run a HP materia on all their characters for max HP anyway so that gives Vincent more of an edge unless you really want to waste another Materia slot on MP materia.. personally I don't bother with that.

Both their limit breaks are a hit or miss for me, Caits are more or less luck based unless you're willing to cheat at slots to insta kill everything.. something I personally don't care for.

Vincent's are uncontrollable but they're also pretty powerful.. they just require you to have some knowledge of the game's enemies so you don't end up in a situation where Vincent is healing things.. Beast Flare vs Materia Keeper situation being a common one.