Whats this i'm hearing about dungeons?

[Phade]

Hi, so I haven't played rift in at least a year, but i'm looking into coming back to it. But I hear that something has happened to dungeons for free to play.

Can someone explain to me exactly what has changed, and when the heck they changed it? Because from what i'm hearing, its sounding really disgusting.

[Seshatar]

Non-patrons can only have 1 stack of dungeon charges instead of 7 (meaning they have to do 1 dungeon per day to get all bonuses per week and cannot accumulate and do all 7 on one day)
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Non-patrons can only queue for random dungeons and not for specific dungeons anymore (you can still run into the dungeon entrance with a premade tho, or let a patron queue for you

Same is also valid for warfronts (1 charge cape & only random queue) and chronicles (1 charge cap).

Those changes have been controversial. Trion states the changes were necessary to entice people to become patrons and to keep the game alive.

You can find the related official thread here:
http://forums.riftgame.com/general-discussions/news-announcements/477185-patron-rewards-get-even-better.html

[MMOGamer71]

Originally posted by Schabernack:

Non-patrons can only have 1 stack of dungeon charges instead of 7 (meaning they have to do 1 dungeon per day to get all bonuses per week and cannot accumulate and do all 7 on one day)
-and-
Non-patrons can only queue for random dungeons and not for specific dungeons anymore (you can still run into the dungeon entrance with a premade tho, or let a patron queue for you

Same is also valid for warfronts (1 charge cape & only random queue) and chronicles (1 charge cap).

Those changes have been controversial. Trion states the changes were necessary to entice people to become patrons and to keep the game alive.

You can find the related official thread here:
http://forums.riftgame.com/general-discussions/news-announcements/477185-patron-rewards-get-even-better.html

What I find "funny" is sub based games that switched to F2P (i.e RIFT and SWTOR) that make the F2P model so bad it "forces" you too sub which is why the game "failed" in the first place.

[Phade]

So it sounds to me that trion is on its last legs and is now regretting the f2p model.

[Blinkdog]

Originally posted by Phade:

So it sounds to me that trion is on its last legs and is now regretting the f2p model.

well p2p wasnt working either. when they went f2p they had about 1k users they are about 2-3k right now and people keep leaving to do things like what op asked about.

[Nain]

Originally posted by Schabernack:

Those changes have been controversial. Trion states the changes were necessary to entice people to become patrons and to keep the game alive.

to entice... its more like gunpoint, either pay us or just leave.
such things never work.
:(

[Neocronic]

Patron too cheap, i buy 3 months for half steam game price and +100k loyality as bonus for this and all dlc as second bonus.
Game still live for me and my guild.
Game dead only for complaining kids, who don't have money for games and play free everywhere. Every game need money for new updates, etc.

[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

Originally posted by Schabernack:

Those changes have been controversial. Trion states the changes were necessary to entice people to become patrons and to keep the game alive.

I do like how the assumption is always "we aren't offering enough to players" instead of something like "the people playing our game might not actually be able to afford giving us money, since things like food and bills are a bit more important than a tab-target MMO."

[MMOGamer71]

Originally posted by Dosbilliam, 200% Ultra-Bitter:

Originally posted by Schabernack:

Those changes have been controversial. Trion states the changes were necessary to entice people to become patrons and to keep the game alive.

I do like how the assumption is always "we aren't offering enough to players" instead of something like "the people playing our game might not actually be able to afford giving us money, since things like food and bills are a bit more important than a tab-target MMO."

Nah, the problem is too many Suits are making games instead of game developers.

[corvek]

Originally posted by MMOGamer71:

Originally posted by Dosbilliam, 200% Ultra-Bitter:

I do like how the assumption is always "we aren't offering enough to players" instead of something like "the people playing our game might not actually be able to afford giving us money, since things like food and bills are a bit more important than a tab-target MMO."

Nah, the problem is too many Suits are making games instead of game developers.

All of this.

[Ragnarok]

it's only idiots that sub up these days. people with morals have dropped this game or just stopped giving them money. The F2P population make the game worth playing for the paying population, without them queues are longer, the world is dead and chat is full of people pissing and moaning. GG trion. I can buy enough rex with my plat to get 12 month patron. Will I? Hell no! though I was considering it before the change.

[Neocronic]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

it's only idiots that sub up these days. people with morals have dropped this game or just stopped giving them money. The F2P population make the game worth playing for the paying population, without them queues are longer, the world is dead and chat is full of people pissing and moaning. GG trion. I can buy enough rex with my plat to get 12 month patron. Will I? Hell no! though I was considering it before the change.

Low population because ppls wait before new major update. New update release maybe in April-may. But i return back in game after 2 years and skip all content, i play with ppls who still play in this game. This is a lot ppls who still play. 90% this ppls with active patron.

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Neocronic:

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

it's only idiots that sub up these days. people with morals have dropped this game or just stopped giving them money. The F2P population make the game worth playing for the paying population, without them queues are longer, the world is dead and chat is full of people pissing and moaning. GG trion. I can buy enough rex with my plat to get 12 month patron. Will I? Hell no! though I was considering it before the change.

Low population because ppls wait before new major update. New update release maybe in April-may. But i return back in game after 2 years and skip all content, i play with ppls who still play in this game. This is a lot ppls who still play. 90% this ppls with active patron.

not sure i quite get your point, apart from you blaming low pop on an upcoming update. The general feel from end game players and the people in the thread that was previously linked tends to point at a more permenant fleeing of the ship by the F2P population and that this is having a direct effect on the patron population who now wait substatially longer in all queues.

I think you're saying you party with friends, which is great. But those that PUG have had their game experience significantly worsened.

[Neocronic]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

Originally posted by Neocronic:

Low population because ppls wait before new major update. New update release maybe in April-may. But i return back in game after 2 years and skip all content, i play with ppls who still play in this game. This is a lot ppls who still play. 90% this ppls with active patron.

not sure i quite get your point, apart from you blaming low pop on an upcoming update. The general feel from end game players and the people in the thread that was previously linked tends to point at a more permenant fleeing of the ship by the F2P population and that this is having a direct effect on the patron population who now wait substatially longer in all queues.

I think you're saying you party with friends, which is great. But those that PUG have had their game experience significantly worsened.

Every queues take 5-10 sec before enter in dungeon, warfront, etc. This so long? In solo i use my heal or tank role and enter in dungeon instantly. Every random warfront 5-10 sec, every specific ~1-2 min in solo. This is not so long.

[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

Originally posted by Neocronic:

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

not sure i quite get your point, apart from you blaming low pop on an upcoming update. The general feel from end game players and the people in the thread that was previously linked tends to point at a more permenant fleeing of the ship by the F2P population and that this is having a direct effect on the patron population who now wait substatially longer in all queues.

I think you're saying you party with friends, which is great. But those that PUG have had their game experience significantly worsened.

Every queues take 5-10 sec before enter in dungeon, warfront, etc. This so long? In solo i use my heal or tank role and enter in dungeon instantly. Every random warfront 5-10 sec, every specific ~1-2 min in solo. This is not so long.

That's because you're using the roles that are in demand, probably at the same time pretty much removing any chance of a wait. Everyone else who has just one or neither of those roles gets to sit around for who knows how long instead.

[Neocronic]

Originally posted by Dosbilliam, 200% Ultra-Bitter:

Originally posted by Neocronic:

Every queues take 5-10 sec before enter in dungeon, warfront, etc. This so long? In solo i use my heal or tank role and enter in dungeon instantly. Every random warfront 5-10 sec, every specific ~1-2 min in solo. This is not so long.

That's because you're using the roles that are in demand, probably at the same time pretty much removing any chance of a wait. Everyone else who has just one or neither of those roles gets to sit around for who knows how long instead.

I play in many mmo and in every game DPS wait longer than support or tank. Play as support or play with your party. No problems.