How does blocking even work?

[Bladiumdragon]

As I understand it, when you block someone's attack that gives you free range to punish them. Why, then, is everyone blocking me when I counter and fading through me when I block in order to hit me?

[Bladiumdragon]

I give up. That's it. I've had it. I've tried to get better at this game for months but the result is always the same: I get bulldozed by player after player after player. I can't sidestep because they hit. I can't counter because everyone but me has a 1 frame jab and can block instantly after I block their attacks.

Tutorials online are worthless and don't work. I've had enough of tekken and other fighting games. I wanted to get T8 when it got cheaper but I'm good now. The result will still be the same, and if I still used the concept of 'hope' I would think everything would get better there.

But I don't, because hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

[Doophus]

Originally posted by Bladiumdragon:

I give up. That's it. I've had it. I've tried to get better at this game for months but the result is always the same: I get bulldozed by player after player after player. I can't sidestep because they hit. I can't counter because everyone but me has a 1 frame jab and can block instantly after I block their attacks.

Tutorials online are worthless and don't work. I've had enough of tekken and other fighting games. I wanted to get T8 when it got cheaper but I'm good now. The result will still be the same, and if I still used the concept of 'hope' I would think everything would get better there.

But I don't, because hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

I'll just leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BsoXC98sM8

[Bladiumdragon]

Originally posted by Majora:

Originally posted by Bladiumdragon:

I give up. That's it. I've had it. I've tried to get better at this game for months but the result is always the same: I get bulldozed by player after player after player. I can't sidestep because they hit. I can't counter because everyone but me has a 1 frame jab and can block instantly after I block their attacks.

Tutorials online are worthless and don't work. I've had enough of tekken and other fighting games. I wanted to get T8 when it got cheaper but I'm good now. The result will still be the same, and if I still used the concept of 'hope' I would think everything would get better there.

But I don't, because hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

I'll just leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BsoXC98sM8

Lemme guess, it's a video saying 'skill issue'?

[Doophus]

Absolutely not, I try my best not to be a ♥♥♥♥ to others. It's an inspirational video, I watched it when it came out, it's a good one. Highly recommend watching it if you're bored in the future.

[Bladiumdragon]

Originally posted by Majora:

Absolutely not, I try my best not to be a ♥♥♥♥ to others. It's an inspirational video, I watched it when it came out, it's a good one. Highly recommend watching it if you're bored in the future.

How is this inspiring?

[poop]

When you block an attack you are not automatically in the clear.
It is per attack, some attacks leave you in recovery when blocked but others have guaranteed follow ups.

You can get practice mode to visualize this in the options just enable show recovery data. Characters will be shaded blue when in recovery. While in recovery no buttons do anything you are vulnerable.

[Bladiumdragon]

Originally posted by poop:

When you block an attack you are not automatically in the clear.
It is per attack, some attacks leave you in recovery when blocked but others have guaranteed follow ups.

You can get practice mode to visualize this in the options just enable show recovery data. Characters will be shaded blue when in recovery. While in recovery no buttons do anything you are vulnerable.

So, basically, Jack will get stomped every time since he has no recovery frames. Fun.

[Hosenbund]

this is why the core playerbase of fighting games are absolute nerds

you have to love studying frame data and all that stuff to find huge success in tekken.

that is why i only play tekken occasionally every few months for a few weeks, for as long as its fun to me.
eventually it starts feeling like work again and i may even enjoy it at start, but it just becomes tiring.
by just playing you also improve with the matchups and blocking them and knowing what they do but if you want to play at the highest levels then it is kind of absurd

studying frame data is NOT fun, its just work

[poop]

Originally posted by Bladiumdragon:

Originally posted by poop:

When you block an attack you are not automatically in the clear.
It is per attack, some attacks leave you in recovery when blocked but others have guaranteed follow ups.

You can get practice mode to visualize this in the options just enable show recovery data. Characters will be shaded blue when in recovery. While in recovery no buttons do anything you are vulnerable.

So, basically, Jack will get stomped every time since he has no recovery frames. Fun.

Almost...recovery frames are what opens you up. Recovery frames occur when an attack is blocked or misses. Misses are mostly much longer recoveries than being blocked is.

There is also the high mid low game that can in many cases throw a wrench into trying to take advantage of recovery frames as some moves will also move the opponent around even if they block it. Like some attacks force them into a crouch so if you try to follow up with a high it just misses and opens you up instead.

Its just a very complicated game that cannot be mastered quickly. Gonna take a couple weeks at least to begin feeling comfortable.

[天佑中共🐥Revelation 22:22]

frame data is the backbone of any fighting game. then move properties, their animation and their range
start from recognizing stagger animations. example 1: when u block Dragunov's wr2. hes hella plus after that
example 2: when Lili's snake edge/db4 got blocked. shes hella minus after that

[Bladiumdragon]

I'm going back to Soulcalibur.

[TFC]

Just curious, how many hours have you put into the playing the game?

[Bladiumdragon]

Originally posted by TFC:

Just curious, how many hours have you put into the playing the game?

Says 36, ignoring T6, TTT2, and T5: Dark Ressurection.

[Bladiumdragon]

You know what? I've had enough of every fighting game. I can never fight anyone at my rank. They're all smurfing or some other ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. ♥♥♥♥ these games. I know I'm supposed to spend hours training, but getting decked by lieterally everyone and everything doesn't teach me anything since I can't move or react.

[Foap]

Man, you're just a scrub. Personally I don't even study frame data and all that nerd ♥♥♥♥, all I do is learn some good combos and let my instinct do the rest. I eventually learn what's blockable and what's unblockable, what's punishable and not punishable by just playing. And I do ok. Obviously not good enough to be anything close to a pro, because I don't properly train and study the game's mechanics, but still decent.