scrubs getting carried by dumb characters

[BeastKingSmash]

i will forever rate this as one of the worst fighting games ever made, the amount of stupidity in this game is unacceptable

[Lazaar]

let it out let it all out

[=\[P]/=]

please specific, which character?

each character carried differently
for example
Chloe > carried to yellow or early orange by easy db+4 mixup or calliroll spamming but after that, all of her gimmick stop working and she will stuck

Hwoarang > not quite easy to start with, since you have to learn his stance.
but when you can do that, you can reach ruler or fujin

etc, etc.

but say that this game is worst fighting game because of this reason??? i don't think so

why? because i dont see it as problem
lets say if one has skill of 4 pts. and the character gave 7 pts.
its means your opponent has somewhat 11 pts.
while another one has 6 in skill, and 5 in character.
this one also has 11 pts.

so, you have to beat the same difficulty opponent anyway.
so why care???
you should focus on improving yourself, once you have 12+ points
you can beat both of them easily anyway

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another thing to remember, gimmicky character make you learn fundamental slower. and you will stuck somewhere in the middle

i saw sooo many gimmicky character stuck in red or purple with 2000-3000 wins and i can say, they are not scary and not so difficult to beat

so, if they were carried by their character, its their problem, not their advantage

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and another reason is, in lower rank, almost every character can be carried
because ppl dont know matchup and you can abuse things over and over and win

[=\[P]/=]

if you wanna get good, instead of complaining you can specific which character you struggle with
and im sure people will give you some tips to help you kill those dumb character

for example, Chloe
- calliroll kick can be interrupt
- her db4-4-4-4 loop can be fuzzy low parry
with this tips alone, you can kill almost every low rank Chloe

[Harley]

It's just a troll that's bad at the game.

This game is a fighting game with a lot of moves and that's too hard for most people to learn and react to.

[KrossKounter]

says the eddy, fa-hk and feng player

[Nyandragon]

balance wise from my experience (thats cross genre) in any sort of competitive game. its not possible that every character is exactly the same power wise, some characters will allways shine in certain areas rotating on a patch to patch basis. But that doesnt matter because playstyle and preferece evens that one out. why would anyone play the best character if its not your playstyle. makes no sense.

But i think this entire argument is pointless to begin with.

We see those same ones in league for example, every patch.
''oh this and that character is so noob op''

then... why dont you just play this character too and steamroll everyone because imagine how a noob op character plays in good hands? then why arent you top 500 rank yet, if you re so good? This other guy you play against is playing on the same playing field then you are. You could just do what he does.. but you dont. and thats YOUR decision.

even if, balancing wise, certain characters are better than others...
that is and was allways the case in every competitive game out there, this is why a certain meta exists. If you go full off meta and bring a stick to a gunfight... thats als YOUR decision... because you could just bring a gun too

[=\[P]/=]

Originally posted by Nyandragon:

balance wise from my experience (thats cross genre) in any sort of competitive game. its not possible that every character is exactly the same power wise, some characters will allways shine in certain areas rotating on a patch to patch basis. But that doesnt matter because playstyle and preferece evens that one out. why would anyone play the best character if its not your playstyle. makes no sense.

But i think this entire argument is pointless to begin with.

We see those same ones in league for example, every patch.
''oh this and that character is so noob op''

then... why dont you just play this character too and steamroll everyone because imagine how a noob op character plays in good hands? then why arent you top 500 rank yet, if you re so good? This other guy you play against is playing on the same playing field then you are. You could just do what he does.. but you dont. and thats YOUR decision.

even if, balancing wise, certain characters are better than others...
that is and was allways the case in every competitive game out there, this is why a certain meta exists. If you go full off meta and bring a stick to a gunfight... thats als YOUR decision... because you could just bring a gun too

agree with all of you said, but if you kill gun user with a stick, its feel sooooool good.

like, kill fah and reloy with Chloe XD

[Forza Piadina]

Unfortunately you are right, some characters are poorly designed. You can just reach high ranks really fast with hwoarang just learning his combos without even learning the various match-ups, just playing aggressively. Same with lucky chloe. last dlcs are pure pay per win, patched after they have sold out them.
It's funny to hear from scrubs (and some TGO): "learn the match up", sure because with 53 characters and thousand of moves you can clearly do it in few days... and it's more fun to see TGO not to know howrang jab from flamingo being +5 or Lee's unblockable being an high.
Apparently some people don't consider this being a game but a job.

[NerdigerNerd]

just like your topics and comments here @ op.

[xawesomecorex]

Tell me where the Julia hurt you

[Mister Badwrench]

Originally posted by =\P/=:

please specific, which character?

each character carried differently
for example
Chloe > carried to yellow or early orange by easy db+4 mixup or calliroll spamming but after that, all of her gimmick stop working and she will stuck

Hwoarang > not quite easy to start with, since you have to learn his stance.
but when you can do that, you can reach ruler or fujin

etc, etc.

Gimmicks works in every rank to a certain extent, also what do you define as a gimmick? Chloe phasing through every thing hop kick can be annoying as fck and her "mix-ups" from df1 kinda irritating. Are they count as a gimmick ?

Originally posted by =\P/=:

lets say if one has skill of 4 pts. and the character gave 7 pts.
its means your opponent has somewhat 11 pts.
while another one has 6 in skill, and 5 in character.
this one also has 11 pts.

so, you have to beat the same difficulty opponent anyway.
so why care???
you should focus on improving yourself, once you have 12+ points
you can beat both of them easily anyway

Why do you think that points connected with character and personal skill are additive ? To me, it's more like multiplication than summing up. So character can be quite an important factor in a 1vs1.

Originally posted by Nyandragon:

balance wise from my experience (thats cross genre) in any sort of competitive game. its not possible that every character is exactly the same power wise, some characters will allways shine in certain areas rotating on a patch to patch basis. But that doesnt matter because playstyle and preferece evens that one out. why would anyone play the best character if its not your playstyle. makes no sense.

But i think this entire argument is pointless to begin with.

We see those same ones in league for example, every patch.
''oh this and that character is so noob op''

There is nothing wrong in being salty. If Lings AOP is cheap, nobody can stop you from calling it cheap and do not play as Ling.

[Rutabaga]

It's not character specific, it's the system. Play as agressively mega-bunga as you can, because that forces the opponent to be good at defence. Outside of tournament play nobody is good at defence. Enjoy getting to at least Fujin.

[Crows are the best]

if you play a character like jin, heihachi or kazuya you must not expect to really rank up until you learn to punish and use mouvement well. their gimmick is weak and can't carry pass even high blue rank.

It's the same for all character that rely on defense and or mouvement to get their wins.

[Crows are the best]

Originally posted by Snorre:

It's not character specific, it's the system. Play as agressively mega-bunga as you can, because that forces the opponent to be good at defence. Outside of tournament play nobody is good at defence. Enjoy getting to at least Fujin.

that's why eddy, howrang, lucky chloe and all the heavely gimmicky character are ez to rank up,

[King Loko]

Originally posted by Ahoy Boar:

if you play a character like jin, heihachi or kazuya you must not expect to really rank up until you learn to punish and use mouvement well. their gimmick is weak and can't carry pass even high blue rank.

It's the same for all character that rely on defense and or mouvement to get their wins.

kaz hei dj and jin can be soo cheesy that i couldnt belive but for sure they need execution and knowlegde