Most "Fundamental" character to start off with

[Abel]

Curious what character do you recommend or think is the most fundamental to pick up as in you just started the game and want to imrpove on it.

My pick would be Shaheen. Any other characters I should pick up?

EDIT:
I mostlly agree with this answer,
Considering throwing Jack 7 into the mix

[ChrisPharmD]

I'm new, and I've put about 60-70 hours into the game. After hearing so much about KBD and how hard it is to learn the Mishimas, I started practicing AND I chose a Mishima...

Since, I've learned that I prefer Player 2 side and I learned that practicing the Wave Dash into launchers help me practice precise movements and forces me to do it quickly.

Probably not a day 1 Tekken pick, but has definitely helped me with improving my movement and inputs.

[Bon❄超変態駄目青年学生退屈日常自己嫌悪克服]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av 天滅中共🐥Revelation 22:22:

Xiaoyu

Can u really play Xiaoyu without cheese?

yes u can, by using the art of lame, like yuyu
real xiaoyu players love to party like what papa sodam does everyday

[son]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Abel:

Curious what character do you recommend or think is the most fundamental to pick up as in you just started the game and want to imrpove on it.

My pick would be Shaheen. Any other characters I should pick up?

Shaheen is solid.

Most fundemental characters IMO are:

Kazumi, Shaheen, Jack-7, Armor King.

Jack-7 has a bunch of gimmicky stuff that will catch people to high ranks. But if you play him proper he is a basic character to learn the game with. Very poke heavy character with chunky mids. good whiff punishment good keepout .just solid.

Kazumi is the most offensive fundemental character. she sticks to you with movement and great basic tools that kind of make her "stick" onto you . has very strong basic tools. Prob best character to learn the game with.

Shaheen very fundemental aswell. has crouch mixups where he slides and ♥♥♥♥. not alot of people play him. so it would be cool if you played him. solid character has everything you need.

Armor King has gimmicky ♥♥♥♥ (3+4) but he has so little of gimmicky stuff and is so basic that most people start knowing how to play vs him in yellow ish ranks. He is based around using movement (has wavedash + better than average backdash) to whiff punish his opponents. He lacks + frames and strings so he doesn't really have throw set ups. Great character to learn the game with imo, requires alot of effort tho and he sucks tbh. He kind of plays like a mishima with throws. He lacks their oki and electric pressure so he has to be very very patient.

[𝗙𝘂𝗴𝗶𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av 天滅中共🐥Revelation 22:22:

Xiaoyu

Can u really play Xiaoyu without cheese?

She have good block punish
Strong whiff punisher
Correct poking
Strong CH

So yes you can but she have very bad neutral, bad mid, bad low (except ss4), bad i10 punisher AND ws (except WS 4), bad range + bad tracking.

Kazumi, Bryan, Shaheen, Leroy, Paul, Alisa, Fahkumram are better than Ling in high rank and they have much stronger tools.

[ChrisPharmD]

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I'm new, and I've put about 60-70 hours into the game. After hearing so much about KBD and how hard it is to learn the Mishimas, I started practicing AND I chose a Mishima...

Since, I've learned that I prefer Player 2 side and I learned that practicing the Wave Dash into launchers help me practice precise movements and forces me to do it quickly.

Probably not a day 1 Tekken pick, but has definitely helped me with improving my movement and inputs.

Okay, I took this into a real match, and I got destroyed out of my mind. After hours and hours of practicing electrics, I landed maybe 1 in 5 series.

I do not recommend this unless you just want to get a feel for the Mishima characters.

Now back to leaning easier characters. lol

[Z Y Z Z]

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I'm new, and I've put about 60-70 hours into the game. After hearing so much about KBD and how hard it is to learn the Mishimas, I started practicing AND I chose a Mishima...

Since, I've learned that I prefer Player 2 side and I learned that practicing the Wave Dash into launchers help me practice precise movements and forces me to do it quickly.

Probably not a day 1 Tekken pick, but has definitely helped me with improving my movement and inputs.

Okay, I took this into a real match, and I got destroyed out of my mind. After hours and hours of practicing electrics, I landed maybe 1 in 5 series.

I do not recommend this unless you just want to get a feel for the Mishima characters.

Now back to leaning easier characters. lol

Yeah, it's tough to do them in a real matches. I'll be sticking with Kazuya though. He's just too badass. I'd say he teaches great fundamentals in terms of movement and punishment, but his lack of generic things like hop-kicks, generic d/f1's and launchers make him tough to use against players who know better.

Apparently he's the best character to learn fundamentals with, but there's differing opinions on that.

[Zako]

shaheen,kazumi and dragunov in my opinion but especially the first 2

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

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Apparently he's the best character to learn fundamentals with, but there's differing opinions on that.

He's not.

Kazumi is the go to for fundamentals.

Sure, to play him really well you do need good fundamentals, BUT, he's not teaching you them, and that's where the Mishima mains get the wrong idea of "he's the best to learn fundamentals with". Kazuya can just spam his 50-50 and you can win with that even against better players because he is a 50-50 machine.

Characters that are best at teaching fundamentals are characters that force you to play fundamentally, and Kazuya simply doesn't do that. Tell me, out of all the Kazuyas you've seen in matches so far, how many actually play fundamentally vs how many go for Hellsweeps mix-ups?

Saying Kazuya is the best at teaching fundamentals is like saying Alisa is the best at teaching fundamentals, she's a fundamental poke-ish monster in high ranks, because that's the only way to play her and win with her at that level, but in low ranks, her gimmicks will give you wins that you may not deserve. When I first started Tekken 7, as my very first Tekken game, it took me 50 wins to get from Dan 1 to Brawler with her. D3 spam and d/b4 setups all day with some pokes here and there and those were easy wins.

Just because a character must be played extremely fundamentally at high level doesn't mean the character is good at teaching those fundamentals. Currently, just Kazumi and Shaheen do so outside of higher ranks, with AK joining the mix later on when people can break throws.

[Z Y Z Z]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av HappyButtSlappyツ:

Apparently he's the best character to learn fundamentals with, but there's differing opinions on that.

He's not.

Kazumi is the go to for fundamentals.

Sure, to play him really well you do need good fundamentals, BUT, he's not teaching you them, and that's where the Mishima mains get the wrong idea of "he's the best to learn fundamentals with". Kazuya can just spam his 50-50 and you can win with that even against better players because he is a 50-50 machine.

Characters that are best at teaching fundamentals are characters that force you to play fundamentally, and Kazuya simply doesn't do that. Tell me, out of all the Kazuyas you've seen in matches so far, how many actually play fundamentally vs how many go for Hellsweeps mix-ups?

Saying Kazuya is the best at teaching fundamentals is like saying Alisa is the best at teaching fundamentals, she's a fundamental poke-ish monster in high ranks, because that's the only way to play her and win with her at that level, but in low ranks, her gimmicks will give you wins that you may not deserve. When I first started Tekken 7, as my very first Tekken game, it took me 50 wins to get from Dan 1 to Brawler with her. D3 spam and d/b4 setups all day with some pokes here and there and those were easy wins.

Just because a character must be played extremely fundamentally at high level doesn't mean the character is good at teaching those fundamentals. Currently, just Kazumi and Shaheen do so outside of higher ranks, with AK joining the mix later on when people can break throws.

Ahhh', I see. You know better than me, so I'll take your word for it. Usually when someone asks if Kazuya or any Mishima is a good character to learn fundamentals with, I see different answers here and there. It gets confusing to figure out who's right or not.

I haven't played him for too long, so I can't really speak as if I know how to play him. Luckily I don't plan to spam 50/50's since I'd like to learn how utilize him without relying on his 50/50 mix-ups as my crutch since it'll lead to bad habits, despite it being fairly powerful.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Opprinnelig skrevet av HappyButtSlappyツ:

I haven't played him for too long, so I can't really speak as if I know how to play him. Luckily I don't plan to spam 50/50's since I'd like to learn how utilize him without relying on his 50/50 mix-ups as my crutch since it'll lead to bad habits, despite it being fairly powerful.

Best of luck.

But yea, once you start doing some ranked and player matches, you will see a lot of Kazuya rely on that a lot, hence why many say he's not good to learn fundamentals with, because you just have to force yourself not to use parts of the kit.

[Azami]

Kazumi, Xiaoyu though she can be tricky to play in higher ranks because you have to be creative with her, and in my personal opinion Kunimitsu as she's not only easy and basic to pick up but also flashy if that's your thing. She also has a kunai that can be thrown at full screen.

[ChrisPharmD]

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Kazumi, Xiaoyu though she can be tricky to play in higher ranks because you have to be creative with her, and in my personal opinion Kunimitsu as she's not only easy and basic to pick up but also flashy if that's your thing. She also has a kunai that can be thrown at full screen.

In TMM's tier list, Xiaoyu is one of the hardest characters to learn. And I'm pretty sure he specifically said he was not referring to professionals.

So, I went from trying her to avoiding her.

I like her style a lot, though.

[Azami]

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Kazumi, Xiaoyu though she can be tricky to play in higher ranks because you have to be creative with her, and in my personal opinion Kunimitsu as she's not only easy and basic to pick up but also flashy if that's your thing. She also has a kunai that can be thrown at full screen.

In TMM's tier list, Xiaoyu is one of the hardest characters to learn. And I'm pretty sure he specifically said he was not referring to professionals.

So, I went from trying her to avoiding her.

I like her style a lot, though.

Yeah I can see why (though im still amateur with xiaoyu so I don't really have a lot of extensive knowledge on her :/)

She requires a lot of creativity and use of her evasiveness like her Phoenix stance and such. If I remember correctly from some forums, she can also be considered a mixup character but it's tricky because most people at higher ranks already know her gimmicks.

When I play her, and most characters now that I think about it, I just resort to basic poking. I can see why some people say avoid her but for me personally whenever I change to a character I sometimes get bored of said character and resort to picking the character that I want to play.

I'm one of those people that like to try things out and if things fail, then they fail and ill learn the character next time.

[=\[P]/=]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ryoda 勉強モード:

Kazuya isn't the most fundamental character, no.
A character that lacks poking can not be the most fundamental character by default.
That's a TMM meme that sadly too many people believe.
Kazuya is a mixup character, simple as.
Nothing wrong with that either but I suppose some kazuya fans weren't happy with the label, so they started to pretend like he's the most fundamental character.
I actually used to believe it myself until I picked up kazuya for the specific purpose of improving my fundamentals.
But soon enough I realized that he isn't the right choice for that.
Who actually improved my fundamentals was kazumi and armor king.

agree, sometimes when 50-50 character won, doesn't mean the opponent has weaker skill, they just "guess" wrong.
Gamble isn't skill

[Azami]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av Ryoda 勉強モード:

Kazuya isn't the most fundamental character, no.
A character that lacks poking can not be the most fundamental character by default.
That's a TMM meme that sadly too many people believe.
Kazuya is a mixup character, simple as.
Nothing wrong with that either but I suppose some kazuya fans weren't happy with the label, so they started to pretend like he's the most fundamental character.
I actually used to believe it myself until I picked up kazuya for the specific purpose of improving my fundamentals.
But soon enough I realized that he isn't the right choice for that.
Who actually improved my fundamentals was kazumi and armor king.

agree, sometimes when 50-50 character won, doesn't mean the opponent has weaker skill, they just "guess" wrong.
Gamble isn't skill

Isn't technically everyone a mixup character though? The same way everyone is technically a poking character? Like for example, stopping a string midway. That can be considered a mix up. I always thought of tekken as being a flexible game where you can play whoever you want to play (if you're up to the task of labbing) and play however you want to play with the character (as long as you know what you're doing.)