Will yoshimitsu be viable soon?

[slok]

he has been trash entire T7 please let Yoshi be good at least 1 week or 1 day, even 1 hour would be fine.

why make the most fun character the worst?

[ChubbyChubsWithoutChub]

His viable. He is unique, maybe you just need to watch some guides about him.

[slok]

Originally posted by azzra1:

His viable. He is unique, maybe you just need to watch some guides about him.

yoshi is one of the worst characters, you have to be 10 times better than other people on same rank to win.

took me 6 months to realize this, i double my rank when playing paul or jin and i have 120 wins on them but 3500 wins on yoshi haha.

yoshi is terrible. Bad pokes, low combo damage and low damage strings. He have "cool" moves but in general they are totally useless and makes yoshi more exposed.

both jin and paul have 1 attack that is stronger than any of yoshis strings. 1 attack...

[௵Yannick Nadi ✔]

no he won't and won't ever be

the actual good yoshimitsu is in soul calibur

[ChubbyChubsWithoutChub]

Originally posted by Voidworth:

Originally posted by azzra1:

His viable. He is unique, maybe you just need to watch some guides about him.

yoshi is one of the worst characters, you have to be 10 times better than other people on same rank to win.

took me 6 months to realize this, i double my rank when playing paul or jin and i have 120 wins on them but 3500 wins on yoshi haha.

yoshi is terrible. Bad pokes, low combo damage and low damage strings. He have "cool" moves but in general they are totally useless and makes yoshi more exposed.

both jin and paul have 1 attack that is stronger than any of yoshis strings. 1 attack...

Sure, but at the same time no one have what Yoshi has. Look, any character can work if you put enough work into it, and it is no surprise some characters are not as balanced as the others. Leroy, Fakh, Lidia all " too strong " from the start.
The thing is you just have to do what works for you, nobody is forcing you to play Yoshimitsu if you have no fun doing so. All characters are viable if you have skill to back them up.

[pablonesmrtelny]

Its so weird to see beginners complain about balance.

Its like if a green rank complained that Katarina is underpowered and feels weak in comparison to other chars.

I'm always like... you are kinda right but... BUT.... until you are at least getting close to TGP its completely reversed and some lower tiers are gods among other chars.

I mean right now I am trying Noctis and he has so bad tracking on SWR you wouldnt believe. In higher level match this is serious issue and I don't think I would main him or pick him in a long set challange cause of that... but guess how much this affects normal matches.

[AsshatRSA]

Isn't Eyemusician winning tournaments with Yoshi in Korea he's just fine

[pharmacist12]

Originally posted by Voidworth:

he has been trash entire T7 please let Yoshi be good at least 1 week or 1 day, even 1 hour would be fine.

why make the most fun character the worst?

He's always been a low tier in every Tekken that he has appeared, just flash your way out of any situation.

[Anubis]

The fact that you can win tournaments with Yoshimitsu doesn't make him not bad. It means that some masochistic players are able to sacrifice a ton of their time and sanity to master him. An incredibly skilled chef can win cooking competitions with a whole roasted duck, but that doesn't mean the average chef won't mess that dish up.

Yoshi is bad.

And on topic: I'm not terribly excited about buffs. I like him challenging. Every bit of progress with Yoshi is hard-earned, which is more rewarding in a backwards sort of way.

[Anubis]

I don't personally deny that there are worse characters, but to say he isn't bottom tier requires a stronger argument than whataboutism.

[slok]

Originally posted by Asshat:

Isn't Eyemusician winning tournaments with Yoshi in Korea he's just fine

name one

[slok]

when playing yoshi i have to play 4D chess and opponent is playing 4 in a row, sure sometimes i win and it feels very well deserved but to put it simply yoshi is too weak. Make his small sting hurt a bit more and its all good.
Missing some cool moves from other tekken games but i can respect that yoshi is tweaking his style for each generation.

Originally posted by りょーだ🀄:

It's whining. Cuz who besides the best yoshi players in the world are really affected by this?
Yoshi carries people online hard with his unique options and confusing gameplan.
They're not suffering are they? They read somewhere that yoshi is bad, then start saying it themselves.
Why? Cuz they legitimately struggle with the char? No of course not.
It's cuz maining a "bad char" means you get to feel double as good when you win.
Especially when you win vs those pesky top tiers.
Oh boy do you get to feel good.
Look at me, playing bottom tier and still winning vs top tiers.
Everyone is trash but me.

It's so transparent what this is actually about.

wasn't my intention to whine. I just wanted to tell people how i feel about my favorite character.

I played him a lot, like 500 hours only playing him only in ranked because well, thats how i play games i guess. I just bash ranked until i get some friends online. I feel that i exceed in my learning when i play ranked because i have to focus more.

But when i picked up paul and jin i just felt so much stronger, i know paul a bit from back when i played tekken tag tournament 1-2 in school but jin was new to me. My highest with yoshi is mighty rules but im already in red ranks with paul and jin both, and i feel more safe and controlled with them.

i want this to be the games fault not my own, i dont want to be a bad yoshi player :(

so instead of hurting my ego, i started this thread and clearly some people had strong feeling about yoshi in t7 as well. So let's all just pressurize and then go back to playing.

[Anubis]

Originally posted by りょーだ🀄:

See this is exactly what I mean.
"I have to try so hard while my opponent is just playing like a monkey, man I am so much better than everyone else".

EXACTLY as I said.
And this is what this is about.
Self-gratification by putting yourself above others.
That's exactly the same crap many of the anti-KBD crew do.
They delude themselves into believing that KBD is "cheating", so when they win online,
they not only win, they win against cheaters.
Oh man, how good it feels to win vs cheaters without cheating yourself.

Self delusion in the name of self-gratification.

What Voidworth is describing is close to all Yoshimitsu mains' experience with Tekken 7. Fighting an uphill battle and wracking your brain, then trying other characters and feeling like a weight is lifted off of your shoulders. This is only one of many ways to estimate a character's viability. Either way it has nothing to do with a delusion of grandeur. It's a genuine interest in and engagement with a cool character that is punishingly difficult to beat others with, by many metrics.

You made a good point here:

Originally posted by りょーだ🀄:

if you buff some of his moves, then yoshi will be more effective but less interesting as people will only use a handful of his moves, and if you buff all his tools, then he's gonna be way too good.
Yoshi is mediocre on most things in exchange for having a vast toolkit that allow him to approach situations in ways that most other characters can't.
The same is true for Lei by the way. That's just the design philosophy behind these characters with huge toolkits.

But you glanced over PBM's point that if a move is below the viability threshold, even for the purpose it was designed for, a buff need only bring it up to that level and not past it.

You've made it abundantly clear that you don't care, so I just wanna state for the record that I don't think you have any obligation to, and the reason I'm still responding is not that I'm trying to force you to engage with me. Only sharing my thoughts for those who do care.

[🔞𝕂𝔸𝕋𝔸ℕ𝔸🔞]

Originally posted by Voidworth:

Originally posted by azzra1:

His viable. He is unique, maybe you just need to watch some guides about him.

yoshi is one of the worst characters, you have to be 10 times better than other people on same rank to win.

took me 6 months to realize this, i double my rank when playing paul or jin and i have 120 wins on them but 3500 wins on yoshi haha.

yoshi is terrible. Bad pokes, low combo damage and low damage strings. He have "cool" moves but in general they are totally useless and makes yoshi more exposed.

both jin and paul have 1 attack that is stronger than any of yoshis strings. 1 attack...

When i read that i only block you XD
"my ungabunga is not as good as my enemys ungabunga"

Yoshi is not good in 0nline ? A nooblike real good counter (if you dont know what i mean LUL) a unblockable low and you even can follow up with a juggle.

If you have Friends play Offline then it can be more fun.

[slok]

Originally posted by K@TANA:

Originally posted by Voidworth:

yoshi is one of the worst characters, you have to be 10 times better than other people on same rank to win.

took me 6 months to realize this, i double my rank when playing paul or jin and i have 120 wins on them but 3500 wins on yoshi haha.

yoshi is terrible. Bad pokes, low combo damage and low damage strings. He have "cool" moves but in general they are totally useless and makes yoshi more exposed.

both jin and paul have 1 attack that is stronger than any of yoshis strings. 1 attack...

When i read that i only block you XD
"my ungabunga is not as good as my enemys ungabunga"

Yoshi is not good in 0nline ? A nooblike real good counter (if you dont know what i mean LUL) a unblockable low and you even can follow up with a juggle.

If you have Friends play Offline then it can be more fun.

you say yoshi has a good low?
tell me one character in tekken with worse low attacks and pokes, Please 1 character. Kuma has better lows. what are you even talking about?

tekken7 is the only game i ever played where i can main one character for 500 hours and when i pick up a new character i am BETTER than my main?

How is that even possible? I didn't have to learn Jin to be better than my 500 hour yoshi. I am same rank on both now, one character have 2500 wins one character has 97.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Voidworth:

you say yoshi has a good low?
tell me one character in tekken with worse low attacks and pokes, Please 1 character. Kuma has better lows. what are you even talking about?

tekken7 is the only game i ever played where i can main one character for 500 hours and instantly be twice as good with characters i never labed or played with. How is that even possible?

Kunimitsu.

She struggles against turtles because her lows are trash.

Her good lows are from stances, but if she enters a stance manually, you can just hit her out of it, and if she enters in the stance when you blocked her transition move, you have an option select to force her out of the stance.

Her best low in neutral, excluding the generic d4, is her d/b4, an i17 low, -12 on block, 0 on hit. She doesn't even have + on hit lows to pressure with.