To all hwoarang players

[VeniVidiVinoVici]

Go ♥♥♥♥ youselfes. Freewins all the time. There is literally no way to counter hwoarang because he will always have an advantage. Perfect mixups, perfect combo damage, perfect punishers, perfect wall carry, perfect throw game and so on. Every hwoarang main can win a match without skills and knowledge. Change my mind

[pharmacist12]

Originally posted by despacito:

Originally posted by Veni Vidi Vino Vici:

the problem is you have to really master hwoarang to know how to avoid his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. And noone is willing to do that obviously because i bet it takes more than a year and tekken has 50 or so characters. Hwoarang is the only character that has no weakness just because noone has a solution for him. You cant just go and lab him

I agree. Whenever someone tries to complain about a character there's always some guy who's gonna say "jUSt Go LAb Him He hAS ♥♥♥♥ fRamES ANd IS EasilY puniShed" which is not helpful at all. General advices such as "don't press buttons against him because his strengths are for counter hits, instead, try to get some space between you and him and punish him for whiffing his kicks" is much more helpful than "juST GO Lab Him!11!"

Those kind of advices really shun away newer players to Tekken lol

Yeah you gotta space out his hellsweep from flamingo, so he won't mix you up with hellsweep/mid launcher, I believe it's like Pauls Demoman, if you space it out he can't knock you down, sidewalk to his stomach when he's in flamingo, and if he tries to take mental advantage by transitioning between left and right flamingo, press buttons cause he cannot block in flamingo.

Backlash is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ though, as it is a power crush, + on block, tracks and is a launcher. It is high, and does come out only from a stance, but good luck punishing it on whiff as it has fast recovery.

His rage art is also ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as you can't sidestep it during the animation, you gotta make a hard read and sidestep before the opponent activates a rage art.

[Pelikan]

Originally posted by despacito:

I agree. Whenever someone tries to complain about a character there's always some guy who's gonna say "jUSt Go LAb Him He hAS ♥♥♥♥ fRamES ANd IS EasilY puniShed" which is not helpful at all. General advices such as "don't press buttons against him because his strengths are for counter hits, instead, try to get some space between you and him and punish him for whiffing his kicks" is much more helpful than "juST GO Lab Him!11!"

Those kind of advices really shun away newer players to Tekken lol

Yes but on the other hand, the advice of whiff punishing him by controlling space better is only useful for a veteran and is very situational because most of the time Hwoarang will be in your face spamming flamengo strings at range 0 to 1.

Because to whiff punish well, first of all you need to be good at korean backdashing which is not beginner friendly or at side stepping in the right direction depending the move used, but most importantly, you need to know that you can actually whiff punish that string at this specific distance you are in and know/execute with the right timing and the right move.

And the only way to get consistent at that is to either lose a lot and learn from replays but the quickest way is just to lab the strings that you struggle with but i agree that it can be frustrating to hear that all the time.

[gagak babasi]

Just backdash bro

[pharmacist12]

Originally posted by Kansuke:

Originally posted by despacito:

I agree. Whenever someone tries to complain about a character there's always some guy who's gonna say "jUSt Go LAb Him He hAS ♥♥♥♥ fRamES ANd IS EasilY puniShed" which is not helpful at all. General advices such as "don't press buttons against him because his strengths are for counter hits, instead, try to get some space between you and him and punish him for whiffing his kicks" is much more helpful than "juST GO Lab Him!11!"

Those kind of advices really shun away newer players to Tekken lol

Yes but on the other hand, the advice of whiff punishing him by controlling space better is only useful for a veteran and is very situational because most of the time Hwoarang will be in your face spamming flamengo strings at range 0 to 1.

Because to whiff punish well, first of all you need to be good at korean backdashing which is not beginner friendly but most importantly, you need to know that you can actually whiff punish that string at this specific distance you are in and know/execute with the right timing and the right move.

And the only way to get consistent at that is to either lose a lot and learn from replays but the quickest way is just to lab the strings that you struggle with but i agree that it can be frustrating to hear that all the time.

The most important thing is to not use a slow ass move and overextend your hurtbox into Hwoarangs hitbox, or you'll be eating strings left and right.

[The somemivix YEE ELITE]

Originally posted by Veni Vidi Vino Vici:

Go ♥♥♥♥ youselfes. Freewins all the time. There is literally no way to counter hwoarang because he will always have an advantage. Perfect mixups, perfect combo damage, perfect punishers, perfect wall carry, perfect throw game and so on. Every hwoarang main can win a match without skills and knowledge. Change my mind

^^^^^^^^^^ speaking facts. You can counter him by spamming crouch punch to interrupt him, but if he is an ultra flowcharter ur ♥♥♥♥ outta luck unless you can magically insta sidestep like a TAS

[valorant player]

Originally posted by Kansuke:

Yes but on the other hand, the advice of whiff punishing him by controlling space better is only useful for a veteran and is very situational because most of the time Hwoarang will be in your face spamming flamengo strings at range 0 to 1.

Because to whiff punish well, first of all you need to be good at korean backdashing which is not beginner friendly or at side stepping in the right direction depending the move used, but most importantly, you need to know that you can actually whiff punish that string at this specific distance you are in and know/execute with the right timing and the right move.

And the only way to get consistent at that is to either lose a lot and learn from replays but the quickest way is just to lab the strings that you struggle with but i agree that it can be frustrating to hear that all the time.

I'm not a veteran player and I only started playing Tekken 7 seriously like 2 weeks ago and I already know how to backdash (I'm on keyboard, real easy to do). It's much easier for me to learn how to backdash than to go on labs and individually learn every other characters' moveset just to learn how to punish.

Hwoarang is just troublesome because of his pressure + mixups + range + speed. You can't power crush or dickjab because you don't know when he's gonna throw a low unless you take a while to learn his kit. Meanwhile against characters like Kazuya I have no problems reading him as his kit is simple and easy to read.

[Slogra]

Hwoa and Lei are #1 online trash ♥♥♥♥♥♥, never rematch these ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in a million years.

Why lab a hwoa ♥♥♥♥♥? If you think you know a frame and try to interrupt or punish a hwoa ♥♥♥♥♥, his next attack will power crush and you will lose anyway.

Dont rematch them.

[adroman]

Yea Hwoarang is very strong character. There is Tier lists and I think he's top tier. But at least he has no fireballs and swords with whole map range, and he's not flying in the air. So he's not so annoying as you think.

[VeniVidiVinoVici]

Originally posted by adroman:

Yea Hwoarang is very strong character. There is Tier lists and I think he's top tier. But at least he has no fireballs and swords with whole map range, and he's not flying in the air. So he's not so annoying as you think.

Not so annoying as I think? What that supposted to mean? Hes literally the most annoying character in tekken

[The Grimm Reefer]

As a king player, I typically love this matchup

[Ph.D. Beatbeast]

hwoarang carries everybody at least 10 ranks higher.
is a good char for people who dont want to learn the game.
just dont rematch

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by adroman:

Yea Hwoarang is very strong character. There is Tier lists and I think he's top tier. But at least he has no fireballs and swords with whole map range, and he's not flying in the air. So he's not so annoying as you think.

Originally posted by Beatbeast!?!?:

hwoarang carries everybody at least 10 ranks higher.
is a good char for people who dont want to learn the game.
just dont rematch

Hwo has always been mid tier because he is too easy to counter.

So it is a little bit in reverse - he is not that strong but for beginners he can be super annoying.

In terms of difficulty in low ranks Hwo is super strong due to mashing - then he becomes hard because its easy to kill him if he mashes.

He is an advanced char for a reason. When I was ranking up all my chars in S1 he was literally the last one I hit ruler ranks with. Surely he was hardest of them. I don't play mishimas or bryan but I have played around dozen chars so it means something.

So don't be mistaken. He might appear easy but its a struggle with him to get results. Of course to counter him you gotta know some basics about him.

[Ph.D. Beatbeast]

I personally think when we talk about tiers we should not forget we play online. Bad connection is always in favor for aggressive mash chars. Hwoarang keeps you to wait to guess for mixup and his strings are so less minus he can avoid with ss into df2. I dont wanna talk about armor moves that was a really bad idea of bandai namco.

I personally know people who were blue ranks with hwoarang but could not reach genbu with other chars.

[Ammehoela]

[Iridius]

I don't struggle much against Hwoarang as Asuka. I have a pretty normal 50% win rate or something.