Is Lidia really an aggressively playstyle char?

[Diamond Girls]

I have a friend who is a turtle (an Asuka main) and he tried Lidia. He said she doesnt suit his playstyle coz she forces him to be aggressive rather than passive. He also told me she suits the players who like to play agressively, like me. I laughed coz I play Asuka unger bunger.

[Soul XCV]

Yes Lidia is supposed to be an aggressive character that's made to push the enemy back a lot and have lots of really good mixups in her stances. Her neutral stuff all have good "mini" mixups to, forcing a guess between highs and mids.
She is incentivised to press a lot because she has innate good recovery on her moves. Political Storm is very notorious for this, as well as her ff2.

I HIGHLY recommend this video, it goes in-depth as to how Gen uses Lidia even against a godly opponent Chikurin who knows how to counter every single move from Lidia's arsenal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYAijNC9QVk&ab_channel=RiverNileHK

P.S. thank heavens Chikurin dropped Leeroy now in favor of his OG main. He was my 2nd favorite tourney player behind JimmyJ because I just love his style of very calculated high risk Tekken play. When he used Leroy last year he just turned into a typical tier ♥♥♥♥♥ boring guy.

[KrossKounter]

She can play both fine but she excels up very close. She's the new kazumi. Her poking is just too good so you wanna stay close to them all time.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

I wouldn't say Lidia is made just for offence.

To be honest, while her offence has some really good moves, such as Political Storm, etc, what people seem to forget is that Lidia, AFAIK, is the only character in the game with perfect punishers for each different frame for both standing and FC, and her punishers can deal a lot of damage, especially 3,2. All other characters are missing something, either in FC or standing.

Lidia is pretty much the whole package, but you can't make full use of her unless you are already good at defense.

Would've liked to play her if she was more elegant, as she would've suit me quite well.

[Stompnado]

Lidia is just a more annoying Kazumi, she just gets in your face and it's never your turn to do anything unless you have split second reactions and recognize her moves...

saying she's an aggressive rush down character to me that's a nice way of saying she's unga bunga, op offense incentives annoying braindead gameplay where the player doesn't have to strategize much, it's like she's designed to make weak players feel strong and think they're good at the game, in other words she's just another dlc.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Can you do anything but cry about everything?

Here's a breaking news: instead of crying about everything, get good.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by Soul XCV:

Yes Lidia is supposed to be an aggressive character that's made to push the enemy back a lot and have lots of really good mixups in her stances. Her neutral stuff all have good "mini" mixups to, forcing a guess between highs and mids.
She is incentivised to press a lot because she has innate good recovery on her moves. Political Storm is very notorious for this, as well as her ff2.

I HIGHLY recommend this video, it goes in-depth as to how Gen uses Lidia even against a godly opponent Chikurin who knows how to counter every single move from Lidia's arsenal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYAijNC9QVk&ab_channel=RiverNileHK

P.S. thank heavens Chikurin dropped Leeroy now in favor of his OG main. He was my 2nd favorite tourney player behind JimmyJ because I just love his style of very calculated high risk Tekken play. When he used Leroy last year he just turned into a typical tier ♥♥♥♥♥ boring guy.

Thanks for the vid. Same analysis my friend told me. You have a point. He also said coz of her stances being vurnerable he is forced to attack.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by Yaksou:

She can play both fine but she excels up very close. She's the new kazumi. Her poking is just too good so you wanna stay close to them all time.

I guess I can train myself into poking by playing her then. I dropped Kazumi a long time ago, currently practicing Julia again. I will try Lidia again next time.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by C.C. 影:

I wouldn't say Lidia is made just for offence.

To be honest, while her offence has some really good moves, such as Political Storm, etc, what people seem to forget is that Lidia, AFAIK, is the only character in the game with perfect punishers for each different frame for both standing and FC, and her punishers can deal a lot of damage, especially 3,2. All other characters are missing something, either in FC or standing.

Lidia is pretty much the whole package, but you can't make full use of her unless you are already good at defense.

Would've liked to play her if she was more elegant, as she would've suit me quite well.

I gotta see her punishers then. Some told me she lacks good df1 (or df2?).

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

Originally posted by C.C. 影:

I wouldn't say Lidia is made just for offence.

To be honest, while her offence has some really good moves, such as Political Storm, etc, what people seem to forget is that Lidia, AFAIK, is the only character in the game with perfect punishers for each different frame for both standing and FC, and her punishers can deal a lot of damage, especially 3,2. All other characters are missing something, either in FC or standing.

Lidia is pretty much the whole package, but you can't make full use of her unless you are already good at defense.

Would've liked to play her if she was more elegant, as she would've suit me quite well.

I gotta see her punishers then. Some told me she lacks good df1 (or df2?).

She doesn't have a standard d/f2, but that's not an issue, and her d/f1 isn't the best, being -5 on block compared to the standard -1 or -2 on the good ones, while it's only +2 on hit, compared to the +8 generic ones have, so she can't pressure with d/f1 the same way Lee, Kazumi, Law and pretty much everyone else does.

Here's her punishers:

Standing:
- 10f: 1,2,2 or 1,1
- 11f: b1,2
- 12f: f2,4
- 13f: d/f1,2
- 14f: f1+2,3,2,1 or RD 1
- 15f: u/f4
- 17f: 3,2

FC:
- 10f: FC d1
- 11f: ws4,2
- 12f: FC d/f2
- 13f: ws1,4
- 14f: ws3,2
- 15f: ws2

I just checked, she's the only character in the game to have a full set of punishers from 10f to 15f for both FC and standing. A couple others such as Kazu "Wavu Wavu" DorYa and Miguel have a full set of punishers for standing, but they lack a bunch of FC punishers, while Lidia has everything.

Not even Leroy or Fahkumram have such punishers.

Just going by that, Lidia is clearly not meant to be a mainly offensive character. She's clearly having a more defensive nature, especially when coupled with how linear her moves are.

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

I have a friend who is a turtle (an Asuka main) and he tried Lidia. He said she doesnt suit his playstyle coz she forces him to be aggressive rather than passive. He also told me she suits the players who like to play agressively, like me. I laughed coz I play Asuka unger bunger.

Yeah Lidia is better when offensive. She has crazy approach and poking and point blank demo man.

[AGA | prinnyuber]

Yes Lidia should be played aggressively. Kinda reminds of...oh...I...dont know...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2365473066

Unlike Hitomi though, at least a Lidia player makes you think. Just dont fall into the trap of ME NO NEED NO DEFENCE ME ATTACK IS ME DEFENCE!

[VeniVidiVinoVici]

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

I have a friend who is a turtle (an Asuka main) and he tried Lidia. He said she doesnt suit his playstyle coz she forces him to be aggressive rather than passive. He also told me she suits the players who like to play agressively, like me. I laughed coz I play Asuka unger bunger.

Lemme ask you one thing. When did you fight defensive lidia last time? Exactly

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by VeniVidiVino LTU:

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

I have a friend who is a turtle (an Asuka main) and he tried Lidia. He said she doesnt suit his playstyle coz she forces him to be aggressive rather than passive. He also told me she suits the players who like to play agressively, like me. I laughed coz I play Asuka unger bunger.

Lemme ask you one thing. When did you fight defensive lidia last time? Exactly

Last time? How about this one?

https://youtu.be/md4ksYfMI5Y

If this is not defensive Lidia, i dont know what defensive is.