I don't remember tekken 2 being like this

[cooloutac]

I haven't played tekken in years but I loved tekken 2. My fav character was lei which I could do 10 hit combos with. So they removed him from the game?

But really whats driving me nuts is I don't remember the game being all about who can hit a person the most while hes down on the ground. Am I wrong? I can't even roll. I use to be able to hit up and down. So they changed those buttons, ands the techroll barely ever fkn works now!?!?! I have to time a punch or kick button as soon as I hit the ground, EXCEPT IT RARELY EVER FKN WORKS BEFORE I"M HIT!!!!

I find myself doing the same thing now. Just trying to cheeze people on the ground. Its the only way to fight in this game. Every fight is one guy hitting another guy while he is on the ground. Jesus Christ I should of bought street fighter or mortal kombat for the pc. Tekken sucks now.

[cooloutac]

GungZA původně napsal:

he is acting like launchers are unblockable, that you have no defensive or offensive options in those situations. But infact you have crush moves, armor moves, jabs, sidestep, backdash, and good old block.

no i'm acting like there is moves grounded opponent can't do anything to counter, block, or evade. The video proves this. Keep trying dude.

[KawaiiguySD]

There really isn't much advice for anyone trying to "learn" Tekken other than the * get gud * mind set. Let's be real though, if you're too busy writing up a storm about how bad T7 is and comparing it to it's older generation, are you really taking the time to learn it? I learned to button mash in T2, started learning combos and actual gameplay mechanics in T3 and started from there.

Picking a character you like is one thing, actually learning the games mechanics aka. Oki, sidestep, juggles, low parry, etc is another. If you're too focused on gameplay, then you need to spend more time getting to know newer generation characters ( Lucky Chloe, Katarina, Dragunov, Lili, Alisa, Lars and Gigas ) while learning the mechanics. I mentioned these characters specifically because all new characters starting from T5 DR were meant to have an easy learning curve with fewer execution. Newer characters generally have a smaller movelist, easy execution based moves, and high damage output.

If you're having trouble finding an answer against certain characters, look up the move name, record it, and find your answer through trial and error. There's an answer to every problem you have with T7, its just the matter of putting in the time to learn it.

"Everything and anything has a counter"- Yes and no. Every character in the game has an answer, but the fact of the matter is, how well from the player's perspective to utilize it in a match. Let alone, this is a fighting game, certain characters are going to have better options than the other.

I personally think the OP is being lazy. If a 24 y/o can become a pro player playing T7, then certainly you can be a half decent player. Same with every other person here comparing Tekken to other fighting games.

50% is learning the game and 50% is actually reading your opponent. That's a fantasized ratio, but I think you guys get the gist of what Im saying.

Lets also scrap the argument about "first to launch loses". Thats with any PvP based game. Who ever makes the most mistakes will lose, who ever answers appropriately wins. Also about the whole ground issue, if you don't even know how to do a spring kick, then it shows how small your knowledge is on your Oki game.

Lastly, for the sake having a biased opinion, this whole thread was based off of a biased opinion. If you think T7 sucks and T2 or what other game you're going to compare it with is better, then link up your your PS1 and enjoy your nostalgia in your bubble. And who ever said the PC community is dead? Id rather play with 1k-2k players with a 60 FPS than playing on a console with 30FPS. PC is the master race > Console.

Of course if you're trying to participate in tournament play, then its advised to go with console. Since all major tournaments use console. Let alone the console version for T7 has built in lag.

Also the video provided about "being grounded" does not count as being grounded. That's Josie's launcher. It's called a launcher for a reason, your character isn't grounded, that launch animation has been in Tekken for as long as I can remember.

[Anntsi]

I FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE!

I really think I did. You think touching the ground means a juggle combo is over.
Anyone who watched a "tekken 7 tips for beginners video" or any juggle combo guide knows that's not how it works.

Many moves are designed to allow for follow-up attacks if they are done fast enough after the opponent hits the ground and bounces up a bit. Or is still like on their shoulders.

Any decent player will know those moves and use them at least to some extent.

For example when I play Bryan, I can get around 33-50% damage done from any launcher that hits. And the fun part is that I'm not even any good at those Bryan juggles. The good combos were too hard for me at first, so I started trying out my own combos that I feel comfortable pulling off without mistakes.

Final edit: Okay I saw your other thread and apparently you knew your own problem and think juggling is an exploit. Sorry you feel that way, tekken probably won't be fun to you anytime soon.

[hakozer0]

Yeah I think pretty anoying when dragunov after 60% juggle damage he still hit you on the ground with low sweep or proceed to wallsplat
or every char

[kuaikukia]

cooloutac původně napsal:

Jesus Christ I should of bought street fighter or mortal kombat for the pc. Tekken sucks now.

Oh trust me. You should be happy that you pick tekken 7 instead sf5. You will probably get stroke after playing sf5 with that mentallity

[Alcratz]

cooloutac původně napsal:

I don't think you understand how it works. Rankings are not as meaningful as you think. I learned this years ago with yahoo ELO ratings. Its mostly about who you know. In other words who your friends are that you are playing with most of the time and what rank they are.

It would be better if they showed win/loss and had a ladder system. But then people would be less likely to rematch and they'd be less matches.

The green level guys in my area who play like red level players, either play like that because they are alt accounts, or because they never see any real high level players to rank up enough. they probably keep each other down in the same rank playing each other.

You keep telling yourself that they just look the same to the untrained eye. You better give a example of this, otherwise noone is going to believe you lol. You don't need a trained eye to know they are just keep throwing out launching moves, and thats what the game is about. And once one lands they go into their usual juggling combo. Its very repetitive.


I Mean why is the best guy in the world not a gold ranking? It really doesn't mean much. LIke I said especially cause of rematches and alt accounts, and depending on what ranks are common in the area.



AND NOW I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHY IT LOOKS LIKE AN EXPLOIT!!!

Go into practice mode, do a juggling combo to and unblockable ground hit, and its not all considered a combo by the game, even though in reality its unblockable chain of hits.... It just feels like cheezy players exploiting the game. LIke an fps player exploiting a badly designed map and playing a way the devs never intended.

So right now in tekken, the whole game has become what the devs never intended and we can see why they wouldn't intend it to be played this way. Its lamer. Its boring, and it makes 90% of the rest of the game unviable and useless.

The best tekken players should be the ones who can pull out 10 hit combos with ease, and switch up their play styles depending on their opponents. Its not like that anymore. Its about who gets the juggling exploit off first.

youre a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol. here i am calming down and trying to give you advice, and it just reflects straight off your noggin like it were nothing. you are my proof of an untrained eye; someone that is so close minded and stupid that all he sees when he plays a fighting game is people pressing buttons like little children, just like him

i bet you cant even comprehend the idea of not pressing a button, or even thinking during a match. i bet all you do is mash your ass of because you play law and no one can deal with law at such a low level. then, when you get hit by a random launcher because youre constantly mashing your ass off, you come here and cry about how OP juggles are because you dont know enough about tekken to even deal a decent amount of damage

and this wack ass conspiracy theory of yours... how would "the people i know" magically help me get ranks? actually, there is one way. i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ practice in player matches with my friends so that i can get better at the game. this results in an increase in skill which also results in an increase in rank. so yeah, youre right; in a way, the people you know can help you get ranks. not that you would understand how practice works. learning?? whats that?

i also like how im a better player than you and trying to offer advice, and youre lecturing me on this rank conspiracy cuz youre stuck in light blue ranks mashing your ass off, so you dont understand how anyone could possibly rise in the ranks without hacking or exploiting the system

the only thing keeping me from being convinced that youre a troll is how much effort you put into responding with paragraphs upon paragraphs of absolute nonsense to anyone and everyone trying to explain anything to you all day long. how would you not just kill yourself? that would be so exhausting... and now youve made another thread about this ♥♥♥♥. you are something else, dude

im gunna keep asking you until you respond: send me a friend request, and have a match with me. i practically live in your backyard, our connection will be superb. i dont work today, so im available literally all day

[Ahriman]

Alcratz původně napsal:

cooloutac původně napsal:

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youre a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol.

don't bother, all you're doing is bumping his threads which is exactly what he wants

[Alcratz]

the tyrannical teabagger původně napsal:

Alcratz původně napsal:

youre a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol.

don't bother, all you're doing is bumping his threads which is exactly what he wants

if this is how he gets off, i dont really care how he wastes his time. at this point im fueled by morbid curiosity, what he could possibly have to say to everyone that responds to him

[BrodyZera]

Why the ♥♥♥♥ are you so obsessed with 10 hit combos? You can easily do the same damage with a launcher, a string, a tailspin, and then an ender. And your opponent won't be able to block once they're in the air, unlike a 10 hit combo.

[Anntsi]

F_3 BrodyZera původně napsal:

Why the ♥♥♥♥ are you so obsessed with 10 hit combos? You can easily do the same damage with a launcher, a string, a tailspin, and then an ender. And your opponent won't be able to block once they're in the air, unlike a 10 hit combo.

Learning a 10 hit combo and spamming it = Godlike skill mastery.
Learning a juggle combo and spamming it = Easy and unfair cheesing exploit mechanic.

At least if the idea of blocking the launcher seems too hard. Or the idea of punishing mistakes rather than spamming random combos hoping it hits.

Or my favourite theory: Using macros with launchers and juggles is harder because that'd require you to actually get the launcher to hit. With 10 hit combos a macro can spam it all day and it still works.

[The Grimm Reefer]

And about the whole not remembering Tekken 2 being like this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJJZkp3_L-I

Tekken 2 had some brutal juggles. :)

[cooloutac]

F_3 BrodyZera původně napsal:

Why the ♥♥♥♥ are you so obsessed with 10 hit combos? You can easily do the same damage with a launcher, a string, a tailspin, and then an ender. And your opponent won't be able to block once they're in the air, unlike a 10 hit combo.

exactly the prob.

[cooloutac]

LuLu The Destroyer původně napsal:

And about the whole not remembering Tekken 2 being like this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJJZkp3_L-I

Tekken 2 had some brutal juggles. :)

yes someone posted a vid earlier and yes I now know the combo doesn't end when opponent is grounded. its how the devs intended it, unfortunately.

oh you posted a tekken 2 vid haha. ya juggles existed, but nothing like they are now man, come on be real...

And the bigger point is the ground defense, not just the juggles.

I just read about how the latest edition of fight night they took away the ability to block? its automatic and not player controlled. wtf? even fight night man, even that game got dumb'd down and cheezy? ugh....

[The Grimm Reefer]

cooloutac původně napsal:

LuLu The Destroyer původně napsal:

And about the whole not remembering Tekken 2 being like this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJJZkp3_L-I

Tekken 2 had some brutal juggles. :)

yes someone posted a vid earlier and yes I now know the combo doesn't end when opponent is grounded. its how the devs intended it, unfortunately.

oh you posted a tekken 2 vid haha. ya juggles existed, but nothing like they are now man, come on be real...

And the bigger point is the ground defense, not just the juggles.

I just read about how the latest edition of fight night they took away the ability to block? its automatic and not player controlled. wtf? even fight night man, even that game got dumb'd down and cheezy? ugh....

Dude welcome to the new generations preference. The more popular something gets the more it will get dumbed down and "streamlined" to "reach" a bigger audience. A prime example in my mind is Mass Effect vs Mass Effect 3.

And think about it, how much of the "player base" do you think would simply go else where if they didn't have two or three hard ot block juggles they spam and win. Most of the time once I identify, stop and punish their SAME JUGGLE LAUNCHERS, they are done. They can't even stop my BASIC 10 STRING... and I play as King!!!!! And like... EVERYONE KNOWS HIS 10 string. lol

Really, I used to get angry over it, but I just tell myself at the match up, don't act.... react.. Being patient is the hardest aspect for me. When I started I rarely juggled, I mean, I'm a king main.. I don't juggle, I break you in half dammit!

But fast forward and now i'm hitting 83 damage juggles with him and it makes a HUGE difference. But it's pointless without the patience to learn those two or three launches these people tend to spam.



See you can overcome these juggle spammers man.. Just swallow your pride, let them get a few wins in there while you watch and learn. Almost ALL of them tend to stick to two or three launchers and the exact same juggle. You'll work past them and rank up.. they though will never go anywhere and you get match ups like this:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/862859801949212873/23744B992BF1CEC6A4A2C1578D530DA3B09655B2/

[Schnurri]

OP, just out of curiosity: I can't really remember but i guess you still know: Didnt't Lee have a nasty (truly) infinite juggling in Tekken 2?