Anyone got a guide in how to beat spammers ? Character like ( Hwoarang - Lucky Chloe - Lee- Law )?

[Super yuppers]

so in low lvl those characters are so famous because they have the Mashability or plus high damage on those moves someone like Hwoarang and Lucky Chloe can have endless 1 or 2 button mashes which is annoying when ur trying to play character like a Machima etc, i just played a chloe when he/she would spam low up low up combo forever and i would keep blocking for until 10 second left i got no answer(playing Bigboy Gigas) the momment i try to move i get hit anf if i jump and back he transitions into a double flip spammers got no shame and they dont want to get better and i hate not accepting there fights because i want to get better .....

but anyone knows where i can find best guides for characters like Gigas Alisa and Kazuya ?

and what do u often do when u face off against spammer ?

[Fenixy]

Originally posted by Biting_cold:

Git gud.

Ultimate Strategy Guide.

[Medabets]

Originally posted by TyCobb:

Originally posted by Almighty Savage:

Yeah, personally whenever I see Lucky Chloe, Kazumi, Eddy, and Akuma I just don't accept the fight. 9 Times out of 10 they are just spammers so I just don'te even waste my time with them. If you really want to better yourself go into practice and practice against those moves or keep fighting the person till you learning how to counter act these things

I would say the people who complain about spammers are people who are spamming themselves.

If you constantly see people wake up with attacks, block and punish instead of already being in a move where you are going to be hit.

If you see someone use the same move over and over again, why are you constantly getting hit by it? Stop hitting buttons and block.

Just because they keep jabbing at you, doesn't mean they are spamming. They are pressuring you to screw up. Don't be the only one that's being pressured. They're doing their fastest move/combo, return with yours or start ducking when you both are constantly trading blocked attacks.

I don't blame someone spamming. Why would you not use a move that the person fails to block and punish? It's their own fault for continuing to get hit. People complain with "Damn character keeps hitting me low with the same move over and over again." and so one must ask, "Why not parry and punish?".

Also, you are the reason we need match lists gone and player information hidden from ranked. :cgrazz:

THIS IS GOLD

[tcg_99]

Originally posted by Krackatoa:

All moves have an answer if you understand how to defend yourself (and understand how Tekken really works if you take away the flashy martial arts exterior)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45Iqxq9svZQ

Understand that whenever you block any string (Unless it's a single high punch) it's usually your turn to press buttons. When you get HIT, it is still their turn.

Understand that highs, your fastest attacks, will be beaten by "high crush" attacks, such as most crouching moves. Use your fastest mid (Universally a d/f+1) to check your opponent's offense. If they keep pressing buttons, they'll be hit, and you can do another d/f+1 (Or a slower, more powerful launcher)

There's more to this game then you realize, those players who are "spamming", are doing what I just mentioned above. You keep pressing buttons when you're not supposed to, and they're going to trap you with the same attacks over and over again.

Sorry to say it, but posts like this are generally quite disrespectful - the original poster likely understands frame data. his question is how to handle characters like hwo, law and lucky who have good mixups, great push back and frame recovery.

Even Hwo's standing kicks can rival punch strings, Also your 'frame data' guide isn't always as simple, online's laggy play means punishing some spammers can be hard as hell because they are spamming moves that abuse lag.

Please answer his question rather than this "git gud" bull s h it and frame data lessons.

Answer:
* hworang: many players will try to pressure with his standing kick combos. simply crouch and punish. Also, they love to do that jump attack. Simply throw a high kick to ground him and beat down on him.

* Law; this is hard, no doubts about it - simply stay on the outside and wait for him to whip out the dragons tail. Most novice law players only know a couple of combos so bait those slow flips and punsih them

* Lucky - i'm not sure how to beat her inside and out. She has that low-high spam attack and she can mix mids into it,.. on a bad connection you might as well just disconnect... lol

[hieyan]

Originally posted by TyCobb:

Originally posted by Almighty Savage:

Yeah, personally whenever I see Lucky Chloe, Kazumi, Eddy, and Akuma I just don't accept the fight. 9 Times out of 10 they are just spammers so I just don'te even waste my time with them. If you really want to better yourself go into practice and practice against those moves or keep fighting the person till you learning how to counter act these things

I would say the people who complain about spammers are people who are spamming themselves.

If you constantly see people wake up with attacks, block and punish instead of already being in a move where you are going to be hit.

If you see someone use the same move over and over again, why are you constantly getting hit by it? Stop hitting buttons and block.

Just because they keep jabbing at you, doesn't mean they are spamming. They are pressuring you to screw up. Don't be the only one that's being pressured. They're doing their fastest move/combo, return with yours or start ducking when you both are constantly trading blocked attacks.

I don't blame someone spamming. Why would you not use a move that the person fails to block and punish? It's their own fault for continuing to get hit. People complain with "Damn character keeps hitting me low with the same move over and over again." and so one must ask, "Why not parry and punish?".

Also, you are the reason we need match lists gone and player information hidden from ranked. :cgrazz:

I would only agreed when playing offline. Online? an example is a Kazumi spamming so called "mix up" like 11, 1 , df1 (extremely hard to deal with even at signal 4) , then df1 buffered into one throw or df1+2 throw, if you duck or trying breaking the stream with a simple d1, she just df12, and I always eat that.

Then wat? I turtled a bit then just being kept by quick low or that db234 lll attack, even I block the last one, I checked from orbnormay, it should be -11 on her side, I then do a d1, I still got hit by her ws44 (11f), why??? J Christ sake... I tried cracking these Shxt from P mode but online.. sounds like another story again.

I am a newbie, but I only use Kazuya, I can do 3 EWGF v easily on both sides and washdash well, very rare I got a win by patience towards spammers like that.

[pablonesmrtelny]

People should really REALLY learn to search the threads before they post.

Do you realize OP that this thread was made like 20 times now?

[Skiptro]

When chloe is doing twist 4,4, your first reaction is to block low/mid. Don't do this, she wants you to block low so she can go into flip and launch you. Block standing, after you block the mid you can either hopkick or df+1 or low parry. The move is annoying but you are only in danger if you try to block everything or do nothing. If you keep calm you can punish with full combo.

[SpaceGoatMage]

Originally posted by Noobz:

Paul, Kazumi, King and Dragunov combo damage needs to be nerfed especially KING who has an annoying long a** combo that can wipe 70% of your health by just rolling on the floor.

Dont you get 3 chances to break RDC?

[pablonesmrtelny]

I never understood the hate towards spamming. I mean obviously it is unpleasant to get crushed by a move one doesn't know correct response for but it is just so natural and logical for beginners to spam.

Spamming is the very fist phase of learning to attack in any Fighting game.
It is about recognizing and usage of (perceived) most powerful strings.
Beginners simply don't have the knowledge to put together varied mindblowing strings.

And as in mirror - defending against spamming is the very first phase in learning how to defend in any Fighting game. When you are pressured or hit by a string - are you going to hope that opponent won't use it again out of politeness or pity? In ranked? That is not realistic. The match would end in "i let you win because you were hopeless" fashion. Which is even more insulting than spamming.

[Sirlion]

For Chloe, low parry the very first low. d/f and you put her to sleep. For the Tiger, you just sidestep a bit, or jump, or block if it's her second type of attack (tiger rolling). Lazers the same thing, you sidestep. For diving flying opponents like boss Kazumi or Devil Jin you sidestep a bit as well. Boss kazumi is easy to recognize because she announces her move with the line "DIE!" so as soon as you hear it you get out of the way. Devil Jin is a bit more tricky but timing is mostly the same. Law announces his moves as well with his voices here and there. If you see his taunting stance just get out of the way until he stops or go for a low. The same can be said about Lee's and Asuka's stances, they're there to grab your ass and smash you to the ground. Lili's sweep is insanely long so easily low-parry-able. Hwoarang and Kazuya on the other hand... eh, not figured out yet how to counter them.

[pablonesmrtelny]

OK I shoudn't say it as a dedicated Hwoarang main but Hwo is extremely weak to sidestepping at some points. Actually at many points of his offense.

It is kind of advanced method of defence that can lead to disaster if one doesn't know what hes doing but when someone is stepping in the right moments Hwo just gets slaughtered.

[Super yuppers]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

People should really REALLY learn to search the threads before they post.

Do you realize OP that this thread was made like 20 times now?

do u realize this thread was made 20 of june? and do u know ur worthless in this theard now u helped with nothing and ur just wasting ur and everyone else time reading ur reply its doesnt matter if its the 10000 times if u read the title and didnt like it why did u click on it ? if anything it shows that u have a problem and a problem that cant be solved ive seen alot like u, hell since 20 of june i improved alot thanks to alot of people who replyed to the thread and im sure alot of the thread visitor were other guys who had the same issue and learn one or 2 things too, u know i found alot of guides for characters i use but seen things in other people prespective could teach me alot too and this is what i got from this thread.

one guy said if u cry becoz u lost to a spammer its ur fault because u have all the time in the world to block and puinsh , after i read this i was like wtf i was always trying to hit when the other guy hit and if he got faster frame he always hits me. it actually got me thinking better .

the other guy linked a framedata video and what is framedata meaning that helped alot .

and alot more im sure im not the only one leaving this thread with 1-2 new ideas and lesson learned in mind .

it just makes u look pethatic if u join a thread to just say whatever u said , u should learn to leave people alone if u dont agree with whatever they do u got nothing in ur hand u cant control anything talking like this only shows stupidity

[pablonesmrtelny]

lol calm down kid :D

I am glad you improved since your beginnings. I didn't notice the date of creation.

The thing is I adviced people in about 3 threads just like this what to do against spammers so I hope that my input helped those who read it so they search the threads for good advices that are out there.

I am just guessing but there might be about 10-20 threads with "how to deal with spamming" theme.

[U DON'T NEED TO KNOW MY NAME]

Originally posted by Straight Outta Shaolin:

just avoid figting these scrubs....when you see a 100+ wins Lucky Chloe or Kazumi you already know it's gonna be a spam fest..... avoid these losers let them fight among themselves

Soo True

[Super yuppers]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

lol calm down kid :D

I am glad you improved since your beginnings. I didn't notice the date of creation.

The thing is I adviced people in about 3 threads just like this what to do against spammers so I hope that my input helped those who read it so they search the threads for good advices that are out there.

I am just guessing but there might be about 10-20 threads with "how to deal with spamming" theme.

kid? what a great comeback oldman/women just so u know im 25 years old , started with calmdown kid then im glad u improved , i dont know if thats ur way to trying to salvage ur stupid reply from before or not, but i noticed a pattern u have posted i think the most in the thread ( you didnt like ) and most of your replys are irrelevent to the thread and its just u trying to bring something to the table that doesnt make sense

(( are you going to hope that opponent won't use it again out of politeness or pity? In ranked? That is not realistic. The match would end in "i let you win because you were hopeless" fashion. Which is even more insulting than spamming.))

clearly how to deal with a spam doesnt mean ( why the ♥♥♥♥ people spam ) im sure everyone knows its part of the game u didnt bring something new , i think u need to take time thinking before you talk/type it might help u in real life too

but i still thank you for trying to help .

[pablonesmrtelny]

It made perfect sense. I didn't respond to technical aspect of dealing with spamming but mental one.

You complained about how spammers "have no shame" and how "they don't want to improve" and I wanted to point out to you that spamming is just a valid tactic and most importantly that it is inevitable and that it leads to progress in the end. To progress of both participants of the fight.

Don't be so offended that you don't like what you see. IMHO for a beginner this kind of knowledge is valuable.
A lot of beginners overlook what spamming actually is and get overwhelmed by the anger that they get crushed because of it.

BTW I was also reacting to the "just avoid the thrash spammers" kind of an answer to question "what to do against spammer?"