Don't listen to Tekken nerds.

[Tone]

You often hear from them that you need to lab a lot in Tekken, learn how to deal with "gimmicks" and drill in practice mode.

Well, I have been promoted to Byakko after playing 200 hours.
- I have never done a 10-hit combo.
- I never learned any frames, neither my character's no opponents'.
- I never save scammed
- I have always accepted rematches and never quit the game after first defeat.
- I have had ten-streak defeats in Ranked (sometimes from one player)
- I don't play Steve, Brayan, Kazuya, or KIng (and it's not Leroy either)
- I have no idea now to do a rage drive on my character

The point of this post in not to boast, but to warn new players. This game is full of pathetic nerds who will tell you to spend your time in practice mode, drilling punishes, learning how to deal with gimmicks and performing combos (and to watch "professional players") in order to move higher that a Warrior. Don't listen to them.

I. You only need 30-40 minutes in practice mode to get acquiented with basic moves
II. You don't need to watch pros, let them live in their parent's basements.
III. You must have fun playing the game.

[xunlaiAgent]

Dude don't break the jerk. Everyone knows you need to practice movement alone for at least 2 months before you should even consider hitting ranked.

[lazyhaa]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?

[poop]

I like you, online is the best & most fun way to practice. You learn faster than a lot of people who complain here. People who complain just don't learn. They come here and complain about specific scenarios that always beat them. That's why you see people here telling others lab a lot. Because someone salty has a specific weakness they haven't been able to figure out after hundreds of hours and sometimes they suck at explaining what it is exactly. And they come here and make salty threads all the time, so we just default to tell them to lab or look it up on youtube because it's annoying to spoon feed everyone.

[Bon❄超変態駄目青年学生退屈日常自己嫌悪克服]

you forgot: - must turtle at all cost

[in memoriam of Sharky]

Personally I have never memorized framedatas and never labbed anything about any MU. Everything I know about the MUs are based on my experience playing online against random opponents at ranked and quick match so I know its not needed to enjoy the game and nobody I have seen here said its a must.

These "Nerds" tell others to learn frames , lab and practice but it is addressed towars the players who keep making threads complaining about things and making uninformed claims about this or that is OP , "infinite combos" etc. and towards players who ask for help .

But the truth is if you are willing to learn frames and lab matchups in practice mode than you will probably improve much faster than learning it the hard way by playing matches and try to find out things on the fly with "trial and error".

[Dan Smith]

Originally posted by Tone:

You often hear from them that you need to lab a lot in Tekken, learn how to deal with "gimmicks" and drill in practice mode.

Well, I have been promoted to Byakko after playing 200 hours.
- I have never done a 10-hit combo.
- I never learned any frames, neither my character's no opponents'.
- I never save scammed
- I have always accepted rematches and never quit the game after first defeat.
- I have had ten-streak defeats in Ranked (sometimes from one player)
- I don't play Steve, Brayan, Kazuya, or KIng (and it's not Leroy either)
- I have no idea now to do a rage drive on my character

The point of this post in not to boast, but to warn new players. This game is full of pathetic nerds who will tell you to spend your time in practice mode, drilling punishes, learning how to deal with gimmicks and performing combos (and to watch "professional players") in order to move higher that a Warrior. Don't listen to them.

I. You only need 30-40 minutes in practice mode to get acquiented with basic moves
II. You don't need to watch pros, let them live in their parent's basements.
III. You must have fun playing the game.

Forsen.

You're not special.

[Trax]

who do you play op, if i may ask?

[🆁🅴🅶🅴🅽🆃]

Byakko is nothing tho.
You can button mash up to red.

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

Most of the time, many of us tell players to lab and practice because their complaints are not issues with the game or the playstyle of others.
The complaints usually stem from inexperience or issues with understanding core mechanics in the game.

We have players come on here routinely and complain about fantasy moves, infinites, cheese, juggles are cheap, characters having moves when they dont, so on and so on.

Yes, you can avoid practice mode.

But learning the mechanics, fundamentals and defensive options available to you (the areas of the game that prevent flowcharting and spamming) will prevent these
previously discussed complaint threads. Byakko under 200 is fine. But then again, Byakko is not a high rank- at all anymore.

The OP may not be actively save scumming or boosting, but how do they know the oppo gents they are playing in ranked aren't?

I commonly see videos and screenshots of players attaining ranks and when I watch them or research the player they beat to rank up it is not representative of an actual match against equally skilled players from previous seasons.

I am not suggesting this OP cheated or anything- but it is very common now to rank rush and find many many players in ranks they have no business being in. When you beat those types of players and shrug it off or get a laugh at a "fake red rank" (lul. but it happens unfortunately).

This hurts everyone. Even if the person in question never intended to boost, the player pumped about earning a rank doesnt realize the people they are beating dont have defensive or mechanical understanding enough to pose a realistic challenge. This is one of the main reasons ranked isnt even looked at anymore by competent players. Look back at numbers from season 1 and you can see what a sh*tshow this has become...

[Tone]

Originally posted by NineThrow:

...The point is, to play real tekken, you need to know frames.Because your brainless spam, won't work if your opponent knows what kind of BS flowchart you are doing...

Not knowing frames doesn't mean "mashing buttons". You are a great eample of a person I encourage people not to listen to. I get the idea that there are "slow" and "fast" moves, some have longer cooldowns, some shorter.

I know that I shouldn't try to squeeze my df1 into Howarang's flowchart (frankly, i had to google "flowchart"). I've even overheard that my character has a 13-frame launcher, but it says nothing to me

Originally posted by Trax:

who do you play op, if i may ask?

Josie.

Originally posted by Regent:

Byakko is nothing tho.
You can button mash up to red.

Firsly, it's still arguably better than over 60 percent of players.
Secondly, I'm not saying it's high. My point is - you can PROGRESS even playing like I do. Because it's really not fun to be stuck on the same rank playing with the same people over and over.

Originally posted by Lumehr:

As long as you're having fun, learning and not getting upset when you lose, you're good. Learning some frame data and your rage drive would probably save your ass a lot of the time though, I'd say.

I'm not trying to say you mustn't. Just saying you don't have to. Because that's what "experienced" players tell you to do.

I've played against people (combo damage S) who would eat almost everything, button mash a lot, but the moment they manage to launch you they would pull out an immaculate combo. And it really looks like they've spent too much time practicing combo.

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

Originally posted by Tone:

Originally posted by NineThrow:

...The point is, to play real tekken, you need to know frames.Because your brainless spam, won't work if your opponent knows what kind of BS flowchart you are doing...

Not knowing frames doesn't mean "mashing buttons". You are a great eample of a person I encourage people not to listen to. I get the idea that there are "slow" and "fast" moves, some have longer cooldowns, some shorter.

I know that I shouldn't try to squeeze my df1 into Howarang's flowchart (frankly, i had to google "flowchart"). I've even overheard that my character has a 13-frame launcher, but it says nothing to me

Originally posted by Trax:

who do you play op, if i may ask?

Josie.

Originally posted by Regent:

Byakko is nothing tho.
You can button mash up to red.

Firsly, it's still arguably better than over 60 percent of players.
Secondly, I'm not saying it's high. My point is - you can PROGRESS even playing like I do. Because it's really not fun to be stuck on the same rank playing with the same people over and over.

Originally posted by Lumehr:

As long as you're having fun, learning and not getting upset when you lose, you're good. Learning some frame data and your rage drive would probably save your ass a lot of the time though, I'd say.

I'm not trying to say you mustn't. Just saying you don't have to. Because that's what "experienced" players tell you to do.

I've played against people (combo damage S) who would eat almost everything, button mash a lot, but the moment they manage to launch you they would pull out an immaculate combo. And it really looks like they've spent too much time practicing combo.

60 percent of players are below byakko?! Really? Where is that number coming from?

What does combo damage "S" have anything to do with a player's skill? Cant you get those skill identifiers by just playing ranked? Where is the correlation between player skill and combo damage? No offense is intended with these points. I am genuinely curious how the letter ranks work now.

[Tone]

Originally posted by NineThrow:

Button mashing is not just when you press random buttons and something happens. A button masher is a hwoarang player that doesn't know what a punisher is, but he has mastered all his cheesy strings and just goes full string offensive, while never block.
You'd be surprised to know how many ppl play like this, especially with aggressive chars like josie, hwo, ganryu, nina, anna.

Now you're just making up terms.
1. Wikipedia: Noun. button mashing (uncountable) (video games) The act of repeatedly pressing random buttons on a video game controller in hopes of executing attacks and/or other various motions

2. Urban dictionary: (V.) The act of randomly and erratically pressing buttons (with barely a clue as to what is happening) when playing a game (esp. fighting game).

[Tone]

Originally posted by NineThrow:

Still you are using an estremely easy heavy string oriented character that requires low execution, So yeah, you can afford to ignore frame data. However, when you will stop to find clueless people, without that knowledge you wont go further. So in short, this topic is useless.

Yep, exactly the attitude people might want to avoid. A guy with 1,700 hours in Tekken just doesn't know how to have fun playing the game anymore.

[SEATEK The_LEFTY]

1700 hours is alot.

Especially when most of those hours are probably spent slowly learning because no practice (30 mins) and no time is devoted to defensive metrics and punishment.

What people are telling you is that just blindly playing online for that much time doesnt help you. Nearly as much as a 16th of that spent time learning the game from better players, and spending time in practice mode would have been a better method.

Legacy skill also helps tremendously. If you have played that much time in previous games- with the same logic, it shows how much time may be wasted "playing" the game the way you want.

You can play the game however you like, but sheer aggressive play and little thought put into the mechanics and fundamentals in the game actually hurt the amount of time you need to learn properly. It is suboptimal.

[Tone]

Originally posted by NineThrow:

Play the game like you prefer, but do not come here pretending you do not need to understand frames. because you are delusional.
End of the story, but you decided to come here and start a useless thread to justify your gameplay. Who even cares ? IDK why i replied to that

Because your life is empty and writing unwise comments is the only way to get any emotions out of the game.
Don't write here if you don't care (even though you have written more comments than I have here)