nEgaN dOeSn'T bElOnG iN tEkKeN {ExplaIn?}

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Ok maybe its because im new to tekken but can someone please explain to me why Characters like Alisa, Yoshi & Master Raven belong but Negan doesnt bc he has a bat? Like Alisa Has chainsaws that come out of her body and she can detach her head and shoot rockets from her arms (dont even get me started on this compared to 2d chars).

[Eternal Wanderer]

I used "violent" as just one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ adjective in a whole paragraph. It was never the premise, never the arguement.

I don't remember complaining about "gameplay", like ever.

Such grossly blatant numbskullery, I swear to god.

[Aldrakir]

SLAYER eredeti hozzászólása:

Oh, Excerrent ! eredeti hozzászólása:

-Heihachi throws his son in a volcano (twice), and shoots his grandson in the face.
-Ogre is said to have eaten his victims, there even were theories that if Law, Lee, Jun and others weren't in the game, it's because he ate them and that's why he has their moves.
-There's a corpse in Tekken 3's intro.
-Dragunov kills Raven in an explosion.
-Anna kills 3 people in her TTT2 ending.
-Miguel's sister dies in a war, and by the way he fights with fistcuffs.
-Bryan kills hundreds of innocents, and ravages your face in his outro. His actual storyline was that he was brutally murdered by thugs before being found by Yoshimitsu.
-The Devil Gene has a strong obvious religious connotation.

This isn't violent for you ? I should've known you probably knew nothing when you wrote "Brian".

Oh, yeah, when you break it down like this, I can clearly see how that boring piece of sheet -who was created just to feed people's recent hunger for relatable villains- fits right in. I totally get how an insanely boring character from an insanely boring and overrated TV show/comic belongs in Tekken.

You people simply don't want to get it. It's not only the violence. That guy sticks out like a sore thumb. He is like that one pissbag who hits the car horn repeatedly in traffic while nobody else would.

But as I said, Bamco's tendency to add 150% irrelevant chars started long ago. Negan isn't their first time messing things up. Bob, for instance, a char that was created specifically for Tekken, shouldn't have happened either.

Not sure what you're on about. Negan is great.

He plays like a Tekken character. Animates like one.

Jeffrey Dean Morgan plays Negan exceptionally. Really amazing acting, it basically saved the show. Yeah he's irrelevant. And the show is pretty ♥♥♥♥ at times. But overall it's a pretty good show, and Negan is a great character, and he's fitting in Tekken really well because of the way they made him.

Perhaps you should stop complaining over the irrelevancy and actually try him out and learn him. Most people are really enjoying him. There's probably a reason why. Literally the most popular complaint is that some of the animations are too long. I'd say that's a pretty good major complaint instead of ''This character sucks/is op. This character doesn't belong, this character is ugly'' etc etc etc.


Oh yeah, also. About not fitting into the Tekken universe. Marduk is literally just a psychopath. Miguel wants to kill people/beat people up because his wife died in a bombing.

Bryan is a psychopathic android designed to kill everyone.

Feng literally killed his Master in a duel.

Negan is just a psycho because of the circumstances, albeit a genuine psychopath.

He fits just fine.

Gameplay-wise he also fits great.

[Aldrakir]

Tshask eredeti hozzászólása:

Oh, Excerrent ! eredeti hozzászólása:

>Says the problem is the violence.
>Gets shown that Tekken was always violent.

You haven't shown anything. Maybe I would somewhat agree with you if it wasn't for Negan's counter hit and rage art.

Show me which other character hits you with a baseball bat, gets his baseball bat lodged in your head because the barbed wire has pierced your skull, so he has to push you away to take it out.

And then the rage art. Gives me instant thoughts of broken skull, paralysis, coma and death.

Marduk or Miguel have a violent style but this is on another level. I would be totally fine with this if it was Mortal Kombat, but your're bringing it to Tekken.

Maybe I'll get used to it but right now I kinda feel like the game has been ruined for me.

Miguel literally beats you to death as his rage art.

One of Bryan's win poses is beating you to death.

We have plenty of moves with a bone cracking sound, Jin's db4 for example.

Yoshimitu's existance. He literally sucks out your soul, or stabs you to death, or slices you up.

We have plenty of wrestling moves that have bone breaking sounds and animations that could be slightly similar to breaking a bone on someone.

We have guns. Ever been shot with a gun? Or seen anyone shoot one? Oh no violence xd

Stop using violence to complain. There's always been violence in the game. People just love to whine

I can bring plenty more examples of ''violent'' things in the game if you'd like?

[Agad]

SLAYER eredeti hozzászólása:

I used "violent" as just one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ adjective in a whole paragraph. It was never the premise, never the arguement.

I don't remember complaining about "gameplay", like ever.

Such grossly blatant numbskullery, I swear to god.

Yet you're the one complaining that a character doesn't fit in, with no actual reason for saying so.

You're an idiot

[Amig0]

Because he is from TWD and TWD is not Tekken.

[Tshask]

Negan eredeti hozzászólása:

Tshask eredeti hozzászólása:

You haven't shown anything. Maybe I would somewhat agree with you if it wasn't for Negan's counter hit and rage art.

Show me which other character hits you with a baseball bat, gets his baseball bat lodged in your head because the barbed wire has pierced your skull, so he has to push you away to take it out.

And then the rage art. Gives me instant thoughts of broken skull, paralysis, coma and death.

Marduk or Miguel have a violent style but this is on another level. I would be totally fine with this if it was Mortal Kombat, but your're bringing it to Tekken.

Maybe I'll get used to it but right now I kinda feel like the game has been ruined for me.

Miguel literally beats you to death as his rage art.

One of Bryan's win poses is beating you to death.

We have plenty of moves with a bone cracking sound, Jin's db4 for example.

Yoshimitu's existance. He literally sucks out your soul, or stabs you to death, or slices you up.

We have plenty of wrestling moves that have bone breaking sounds and animations that could be slightly similar to breaking a bone on someone.

We have guns. Ever been shot with a gun? Or seen anyone shoot one? Oh no violence xd

Stop using violence to complain. There's always been violence in the game. People just love to whine

I can bring plenty more examples of ''violent'' things in the game if you'd like?

It could be subjective and personal, but to me things like basebal bats bats or brass knuckles feel more "real", With Negan, it's specifically the "Capital punishment' and Rage Art that feels that way, because they're animated somewhat realistically.

King has tons of moves that would paralyze or kill you if done for real, but you won't normally see these moves in real life, and I think that's the difference. That's why Noctis' giant sword doesn't bother anyone even though it's objectively the deadliest. But then again Noctis doesn't get his sword lodged in your head as your'e on your knees, so there's that.

In my opinion Negan does increase the perceived level of violence in Tekken (if he didn't these topics wouldn't even exist), the only thing that matches it is Bryan's winpose, but those are usually skipped.

[Pinocchio]

Tshask eredeti hozzászólása:

It could be subjective and personal, but to me things like basebal bats bats or brass knuckles feel more "real", With Negan, it's specifically the "Capital punishment' and Rage Art that feels that way, because they're animated somewhat realistically.

King has tons of moves that would paralyze or kill you if done for real, but you won't normally see these moves in real life, and I think that's the difference. That's why Noctis' giant sword doesn't bother anyone even though it's objectively the deadliest. But then again Noctis doesn't get his sword lodged in your head as your'e on your knees, so there's that.

In my opinion Negan does increase the perceived level of violence in Tekken (if he didn't these topics wouldn't even exist), the only thing that matches it is Bryan's winpose, but those are usually skipped.

These topics exist only because people love to whine. But the problem is that Negan is an amazingly made guest character. He's fun, not broken, he plays like a Tekken character, he's not gimmicky and isn't a 2D character. So you guys decided to bash on him on the only thing you found: Violence.

Even though this game is actually 10x more violent than any other fighting game apart from Mortal Kombat but hey.

[Tshask]

Oh, Excerrent ! eredeti hozzászólása:

He's fun, not broken, he plays like a Tekken character, he's not gimmicky and isn't a 2D character.

True, true and true. I agree with all these points. The is no problem with Negan gameplay-wise.

The problem is indeed the violence. This is even more apparent to me after I've just watched some of the scenes from the actual show, with eyeballs popping out, and headless victim laying in the mixture of blood and scattered brain.

It's not clear what happens to you after Miguel punches you. It's clear what's meant to happen when Negan hits you, because the show already established that.

When you see your character defeated in his outro moving slightly, that means they're already dead and whatever is left of their brain and nervous system is sending signals to their muscles. You're looking at a corpse having last convulsions.

You can say, don't think about those things.. Except this is exactly what you're meant to think about because the show imposes that.

It's been said a million times already, that Negan should be in MK, because it's true. Then you could have your scattered brains, pierced eyeballs and convulsing corpses in all its glory.

But this is Tekken, a game with certain identity and certain aesthetic standards that it should maintain.

I say should. Because Harada clearly doesn't care. If I was the creative director I would not have allowed this.

[Pat Migroine]

Tshask eredeti hozzászólása:

Oh, Excerrent ! eredeti hozzászólása:

He's fun, not broken, he plays like a Tekken character, he's not gimmicky and isn't a 2D character.

True, true and true. I agree with all these points. The is no problem with Negan gameplay-wise.

The problem is indeed the violence. This is even more apparent to me after I've just watched some of the scenes from the actual show, with eyeballs popping out, and headless victim laying in the mixture of blood and scattered brain.

It's not clear what happens to you after Miguel punches you. It's clear what's meant to happen when Negan hits you, because the show already established that.

When you see your character defeated in his outro moving slightly, that means they're already dead and whatever is left of their brain and nervous system is sending signals to their muscles. You're looking at a corpse having last convulsions.

You can say, don't think about those things.. Except this is exactly what you're meant to think about because the show imposes that.

It's been said a million times already, that Negan should be in MK, because it's true. Then you could have your scattered brains, pierced eyeballs and convulsing corpses in all its glory.

But this is Tekken, a game with certain identity and certain aesthetic standards that it should maintain.

I say should. Because Harada clearly doesn't care. If I was the creative director I would not have allowed this.

But..... no eyes pop out in game..... you complain about violence in a fighting game..... should the next guest character be barney the dinosaur and he just hugs people for a tie?

[KiRA]

And what's bad about that?

[Froz7y]

SLAYER eredeti hozzászólása:

Elbows4Subs eredeti hozzászólása:

Id take Negan any day over a overlord from SF series, a Pretty Sweaty FF boy, or a Cliche super villain like Goose.
None of them it in Tekken if you're referring to the lore.

I agree with you on that. The 2D chars are a bother because of their out-of-place fighting mechanics. My beef with Negan doesn't have anything to do with his adaptation to gameplay though. I have other reasons that I have already listed several times now.

Midknight Battler eredeti hozzászólása:

...

Midknight pls. We both love Gigas. We probably both love Tekken lore too. But story has not been the strongest or most impressive aspect of secondary chars in particular.

Well im gonna play MK11...

[Aldrakir]

Tshask eredeti hozzászólása:

Negan eredeti hozzászólása:

Miguel literally beats you to death as his rage art.

One of Bryan's win poses is beating you to death.

We have plenty of moves with a bone cracking sound, Jin's db4 for example.

Yoshimitu's existance. He literally sucks out your soul, or stabs you to death, or slices you up.

We have plenty of wrestling moves that have bone breaking sounds and animations that could be slightly similar to breaking a bone on someone.

We have guns. Ever been shot with a gun? Or seen anyone shoot one? Oh no violence xd

Stop using violence to complain. There's always been violence in the game. People just love to whine

I can bring plenty more examples of ''violent'' things in the game if you'd like?

It could be subjective and personal, but to me things like basebal bats bats or brass knuckles feel more "real", With Negan, it's specifically the "Capital punishment' and Rage Art that feels that way, because they're animated somewhat realistically.

King has tons of moves that would paralyze or kill you if done for real, but you won't normally see these moves in real life, and I think that's the difference. That's why Noctis' giant sword doesn't bother anyone even though it's objectively the deadliest. But then again Noctis doesn't get his sword lodged in your head as your'e on your knees, so there's that.

In my opinion Negan does increase the perceived level of violence in Tekken (if he didn't these topics wouldn't even exist), the only thing that matches it is Bryan's winpose, but those are usually skipped.

''But you won't normally see these move in real life, and I think that's the difference''

That's an extremely terrible argument.

I really doubt you NORMALLY see anyone getting beaten half to death with a baseball bat, do you now?

And well if you do, I think it's best to contact a shrink or the police.

I will agree the rage art and bat lodging into your head is brutal. But to me personally I like it. I do get where you're coming from with that though. So I can definitely respect the opinion around that.

[aaaaa]

Negan is not anime.

Ok, I'm trolling... Or not, but stay with me for a minute.


A couple weeks ago I told a friend, a melee player, about the dlc characters and how Negan was coming to tekken.

You see, I inteded to imply something like "hey, look at all the cool stuff we get, you should also try tekken".

But he didn't take it this the way I intended. Instead he asked me, why do I keep playing if I have to tolerate ♥♥♥♥♥♥ product placement? Or something along those lines.

Thinking back on it, he couldn't see how somebody could view Negan as a good thing. Not Noctis, but Negan. And that guy goes to tournaments for melee, the game that is built out of mismatching characters from entirely different games.

This tiny piece of a conversation made me rethink my take on Negan. I still personally like him as a character. But imagine this,



Tekken Season 3. DLC 1 Announcement teaser: Dwayne Johnson the Rock.



What's wrong? Thematically he checks out. Many won't be happy, but some people will absolutely love it. And he will have some great new moves.

Netflix shows don't make crossover episodes cereal box characters.

[Pinocchio]

Pat Migroine eredeti hozzászólása:

But..... no eyes pop out in game..... you complain about violence in a fighting game..... should the next guest character be barney the dinosaur and he just hugs people for a tie?

Miguel will have plastic brass knuckles, Yoshi and Raven will have a wooden sword, and Anna will have a toy bazooka in Tekken 8.

Did I forget something ?

[TequilaSunrise]

Oh, Excerrent ! eredeti hozzászólása:

Pat Migroine eredeti hozzászólása:

But..... no eyes pop out in game..... you complain about violence in a fighting game..... should the next guest character be barney the dinosaur and he just hugs people for a tie?

Miguel will have plastic brass knuckles, Yoshi and Raven will have a wooden sword, and Anna will have a toy bazooka in Tekken 8.

Did I forget something ?

Declawed, toothless bears.