Devil Jin Players? Your Staple Combo?

[UncleRamen]

Hi fellow Devil Jin players,

Just want to know if anyone has chosen not to go with the ewgf, ff4 staple? In season 3, we got the b2, 1uf wall ender but it is rather inconsistent since it requires a high wall splat and will not connect its low wall hit if the opponent begins to slide down the wall.

I know the standard staple on wall stage goes like this:

ewgf, ff4, ff3, 1, ff, 2, f3+4 or b2, 3
ewgf, ff4, ff3, 1, ff, 1+4, f3+4 (more wall carry)
ewgf, ewgf, ff4, ff3, 1, ff, 2, f3+4 (hard version)

But using ff4 early in the combo as a screw gives you very little control over the distance and wall splat you get and more often than not, it often gives a wall splat that only gives a b4 or d1 wall ender.

I find myself going for the following staple in wall stages nowadays and feel that the result is significantly better due to b2, 1uf wall combo being 31 in damage.

ewgf, ewgf, 1, b2, 3, dash, b, f2, 1, d2
ewgf, df2, 1, b2, 3, dash, b, f2, 1, d2 (easy mode or miss input ewgf)
ewgf, ewgf, ff3, 1, 2, dash, b, f2, 1, d2 (hard version)

Ending with laser scrapper gives a consistent high wall splat and guarantees the 31 damage b2, 1uf wall ender. The distance to the wall can also be adjusted by using b2, 1 or 1+4 in place or laser scrapper if the screw places the opponent too near to the wall.

Of course in infinite stages, ewgf, ff4 is still a better staple overall. Would like to know your thoughts?

[pablonesmrtelny]

I don't get why no one ever uses the laser after EWGF. Even if just for the style points. Its so cool.

EWGF, uf1+2,ff4,and then whatever - like f3,1,b1,2 or something for easy 75dmg. That was a few years back i don't really know what is good now.

But for god's sake use it at least sometimes :)

[UncleRamen]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

I don't get why no one ever uses the laser after EWGF. Even if just for the style points. Its so cool.

EWGF, uf1+2,ff4,and then whatever - like f3,1,b1,2 or something for easy 75dmg. That was a few years back i don't really know what is good now.

But for god's sake use it at least sometimes :)

The thing is it is really inconsistent. Especially if the ewgf hits shallow. The only follow up that can be done from the ewgf, uf1+2, ff4 starter is ff3, 1, ff, 2, f3+4 and if the ff3, 1 dash is not deep enough, the f3+4 will not connect as well.

[Schizm]

Originally posted by UncleRamen:

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

I don't get why no one ever uses the laser after EWGF. Even if just for the style points. Its so cool.

EWGF, uf1+2,ff4,and then whatever - like f3,1,b1,2 or something for easy 75dmg. That was a few years back i don't really know what is good now.

But for god's sake use it at least sometimes :)

The thing is it is really inconsistent. Especially if the ewgf hits shallow. The only follow up that can be done from the ewgf, uf1+2, ff4 starter is ff3, 1, ff, 2, f3+4 and if the ff3, 1 dash is not deep enough, the f3+4 will not connect as well.

Doesn't the laser also give really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ OKI as well. People generally end combos that give better fallow up.

[UncleRamen]

Originally posted by Schizm:

Originally posted by UncleRamen:

The thing is it is really inconsistent. Especially if the ewgf hits shallow. The only follow up that can be done from the ewgf, uf1+2, ff4 starter is ff3, 1, ff, 2, f3+4 and if the ff3, 1 dash is not deep enough, the f3+4 will not connect as well.

Doesn't the laser also give really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ OKI as well. People generally end combos that give better fallow up.

Yes.. Generally f3+4 ender doesn't really give good oki in open space. I normally prefer to end combos with b2, 1uf or b2, 3 or electric. I find generally b2,3 gives better oki due to the opponent spinning in the air for a bit before landing.

[pablonesmrtelny]

F3+4 is ender for wallsplat, not oki. Im sure you can do something else for better OKI

[UncleRamen]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

F3+4 is ender for wallsplat, not oki. Im sure you can do something else for better OKI

That's what I was saying. f3+4 is the only ender available for the laser combo. That's why I was explaining that the laser combo is mostly not optimal. Although I refrain from using f3+4 as an ender unless I need a extremely far wall splat.

The best wall splats are laser scrapper/ b2, 1/ ws1, 2/ 1+4 as those always give a high wall splat which guarantees the 31 damage b2, 1uf wall ender.

[DonVISIONe]

you can end the combo with 2,2 rather then f 3+4 which is inconsistent (if use laser after ewgf) ofc 2,2 does less dmg (74 iirc) but it hits and gives a good wallsplat if the wall is near.

[UncleRamen]

Originally posted by DonVISIONe:

you can end the combo with 2,2 rather then f 3+4 which is inconsistent (if use laser after ewgf) ofc 2,2 does less dmg (74 iirc) but it hits and gives a good wallsplat if the wall is near.

The thing about 2, 2 is that it recovers really slowly, it's -2 on neutral hit (iirc). Therefore, unless you get a really high wall splat, you might not even get a wall combo.