Eliza's infinite middle kick

[Sirlion]

It's not the first time I get bullied by that move by people who can exploit my lack of knowledge, so I'm seeking some advice. Eliza has that infinite Middle kick that looks like a low, from which she seems to be plus on block, afterwards poking seems guaranteed and I cant just keep on blocking it of course. I tried sidestepping quickly to the left as usually works, but it doesnt. I tried jab as soon as the animation finished, but she seems to reach with her own jabs immediately.
Of course an opponent simply pins me to the wall and I'm 100% dead.

How do you counter this stuff, if it is possible to do so?

[mingy]

I'm guessing you're probably talking about that mid kick where she jumps and says "Ta" everytime.

It's like +7 on block IIRC. I don't know much about countering it but I do believe it's not fast enough to frame trap a 10f jab counter - provided they follow up with the same mid kick.

This is something you'll just have to lab.

[Sirlion]

Yes that kick... the dive kick I helieve it's called. you can do it instantly as much as you want it's an excellent trap. The only thing about Eliza that's truly dangerous. Eh guess you're right...

[mingy]

I've seen some Korean level Eliza play, and they usually do the dive kick only once and then into a jab or any other move that takes advantage of the plus frames. My guess is that they can't really do it "infinitely" as you describe, since the dive kick only gives about +7 on block and has like 26-30 frame startup, therefore trying to infinitely do them will risk them getting floated by a jab (since it's an aerial attack I believe).

From what I've picked up on though, it seems you just have to block that dive kick and block the next follow-up jab hits (or any other move) and then find that gap to counter on.

[North Korean Backdash]

If you're talking about the true Instant Divekick, then your best bet would be to replicate it in training mode if you can execute the command a couple of times in a row ( it's d,d/b,b,u/b,u, u/f and 4 slighly after) and see what you can do. I believe it should be possible to jab her out of it at some point or backstep.

Depending on how fast you do it, Eliza will divekick at different heights. The lower she hits you, the more plus frames she gets. It's a nice pressure tool but I've never seen it looped like that as it's annyoing to do and can certainly be interrupted somehow. My Eliza is hardly good, though, but even Chanel uses it moslty in combos and sometimes in neutral for plus frames.

What you need to know is that if the instant divekick hits, stuff like 1~f,d,d/f2 is guaranteed, so watch out.

If it's just the d1~qcb4 loop lower-level Eliza's like to abuse, just parry the d1.

[Hack2true]

the most anoying part about eliza is the fact that if you dont own her you cant lab against that ♥♥♥♥ its so bs (i dont own her).

[Sirlion]

Originally posted by Amatsubu:

If you're talking about the true Instant Divekick, then your best bet would be to replicate it in training mode if you can execute the command a couple of times in a row ( it's d,d/b,b,u/b,u, u/f and 4 slighly after) and see what you can do. I believe it should be possible to jab her out of it at some point or backstep.

Depending on how fast you do it, Eliza will divekick at different heights. The lower she hits you, the more plus frames she gets. It's a nice pressure tool but I've never seen it looped like that as it's annyoing to do and can certainly be interrupted somehow. My Eliza is hardly good, though, but even Chanel uses it moslty in combos and sometimes in neutral for plus frames.

What you need to know is that if the instant divekick hits, stuff like 1~f,d,d/f2 is guaranteed, so watch out.

If it's just the d1~qcb4 loop lower-level Eliza's like to abuse, just parry the d1.

I've been stomped by different ranked Elizas, the lowest was Vindicator. Everyone did the same thing as soon as they found it worked, just Dive Kick into oblivion at the wall. It's a bit like Junkyard with Law I think. People just go crazy with that when they see it hits. I figured there was quite a bit of guaranteed stuff after that, finding the gap is not that easy.

[Wavekid]

powercrush or float her with 10-13fr moves