Few beginner King questions

[Majishan]

So I recently got back into the game and i am trying to learn King, I would love to know what I should prioritize while learning him aka should I practice throws first or combos etc.

since this is my first fighting game I dont really know the "way" to learn a character so for now I watched some guides on him and learned the punishes, know one combo of hopknee and I am currently practicing giantswing and giantswing mixup input. After that I wanted to learn buffering giantswing of d+2. Not sure if this is the "recommended" way of learning King so I would appreciate all tipps etc.

[Gaxkang]

Other folks would know more details...but you want to practice both combos and throws really, equally.

Especially in lower ranks many folks won't know how to break out of many of his throws so they are valuable.

Hopkick combo is a good idea...but one key thing starting out too is comboing from his FC df1 launcher. It hits low and can be hard to react to online.

[Majishan]

Originally posted by Gaxkang:

Other folks would know more details...but you want to practice both combos and throws really, equally.

Especially in lower ranks many folks won't know how to break out of many of his throws so they are valuable.

Hopkick combo is a good idea...but one key thing starting out too is comboing from his FC df1 launcher. It hits low and can be hard to react to online.

i know i have to learn both sooner or later but its just alot of stuff atm, cause my basics like defense etc are very bad so i have to concentrate on too much things i havent used the DC df1 alot because it feels very slow, i can do a neutral giantwing faster then this thing coming out is it really that hard to react too?

[Gaxkang]

Originally posted by Majishan:

i know i have to learn both sooner or later but its just alot of stuff atm, cause my basics like defense etc are very bad so i have to concentrate on too much things i havent used the DC df1 alot because it feels very slow, i can do a neutral giantwing faster then this thing coming out is it really that hard to react too?

Well it's all tough stuff really...ya gotta get a bit of of a handle on various things like fast punishment, combos, and throws yeah.

Doing the FC df1 can feel odd at first, but yeah it works online. It gets me a lot,and back when I played a pretty bad King I still noticed that launcher more often than not connected up for combo. Is like you see it coming but input often doesn't get there in time.

You want a go-to hopkick combo, and a go-to FC df1 combo too.

But the giant swing stuff you wanna do that too. Don't want them anticipating the FC df1.

[Majishan]

Originally posted by Gaxkang:

Originally posted by Majishan:

i know i have to learn both sooner or later but its just alot of stuff atm, cause my basics like defense etc are very bad so i have to concentrate on too much things i havent used the DC df1 alot because it feels very slow, i can do a neutral giantwing faster then this thing coming out is it really that hard to react too?

Well it's all tough stuff really...ya gotta get a bit of of a handle on various things like fast punishment, combos, and throws yeah.

Doing the FC df1 can feel odd at first, but yeah it works online. It gets me a lot,and back when I played a pretty bad King I still noticed that launcher more often than not connected up for combo. Is like you see it coming but input often doesn't get there in time.

You want a go-to hopkick combo, and a go-to FC df1 combo too.

But the giant swing stuff you wanna do that too. Don't want them anticipating the FC df1.

yeah for now my online matches consist of me getting raped and trying to punish what feels like slower then 10 frames. I want to learn swing buffering since i dont wanna stand there open till i input giantswing. I kinda hate myself for picking king, his movelist has even more moves then yoshimitsu iirc

[Tsunami_Rising]

Originally posted by Majishan:

So I recently got back into the game and i am trying to learn King, I would love to know what I should prioritize while learning him aka should I practice throws first or combos etc.

since this is my first fighting game I dont really know the "way" to learn a character so for now I watched some guides on him and learned the punishes, know one combo of hopknee and I am currently practicing giantswing and giantswing mixup input. After that I wanted to learn buffering giantswing of d+2. Not sure if this is the "recommended" way of learning King so I would appreciate all tipps etc.

King player havent a good reputation, King is a cheap and easy character which lifes only of endless grab chains which requires 0 skill and other stupid stuff.

[TequilaSunrise]

Check this out: https://drunkardshade.com/2017/05/27/tekken-7-top-15-moves-for-all-characters/
Best moves of King and also a little explanation of each move and its uses.

[Gaxkang]

Originally posted by Majishan:

yeah for now my online matches consist of me getting raped and trying to punish what feels like slower then 10 frames. I want to learn swing buffering since i dont wanna stand there open till i input giantswing. I kinda hate myself for picking king, his movelist has even more moves then yoshimitsu iirc

Yeah punishments would be:

Punishment
i10
1,2

2,1

i12

b+1,2

i13
d/f+2

i14

d/f+1,2

d/f+3

i15

u/f+4
i16

b+3
f+2,1

While Standing/Crouching

i10
FC d+1,n+2

i11
WS+4

i13
WS+1

i14
WS+2,2

i15
FC d/f+2

i16
WS+3

You can also Google DrunkenShade's top 15 moves for all characters, and glean from that too (edit: which I see someone else suggested heh). Tekken has like this huge move lists but often times it gets distilled down to several of the most useful moves.

Much of the toughest part of this game is just figuring out, dealing with out how to deal with other character gimmicks and movement too, and also what can feel like wonky hitboxing or hurtboxing.
Plus many things revolve around is is it mid or low one has to watch out for.

Trying to block some stuff is really difficult...I sometimes do better just trying to space people out rather than go nose to nose, tho I prefer nose to nose fighting really...like a good back and forth.

[yup yup]

Originally posted by Majishan:

So I recently got back into the game and i am trying to learn King, I would love to know what I should prioritize while learning him aka should I practice throws first or combos etc

It's everything. Don't get overwhelmed, baby steps

[Majishan]

thanks for all the helpfull tips, ill take a look a Drunkshades list

[Majishan]

Originally posted by StifflerStyle:

Originally posted by Majishan:

So I recently got back into the game and i am trying to learn King, I would love to know what I should prioritize while learning him aka should I practice throws first or combos etc.

since this is my first fighting game I dont really know the "way" to learn a character so for now I watched some guides on him and learned the punishes, know one combo of hopknee and I am currently practicing giantswing and giantswing mixup input. After that I wanted to learn buffering giantswing of d+2. Not sure if this is the "recommended" way of learning King so I would appreciate all tipps etc.

King player havent a good reputation, King is a cheap and easy character which lifes only of endless grab chains which requires 0 skill and other stupid stuff.

I dont really care if people dont like king, people always cry over stuff aslong as I have fun I dont really mind it, and if you learn the grab counters you can deal with them. I can say that since i am bad and i still manage to break his grabs every now and then ( i just cant react in time yet but it will get better over time)

[alterEgo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nelsieY9kg

some good king sample combos to learn not the most important thing but yeah. Im by no means an expert on this game but i main king aswel and these combos work well for me personally...or legendarymihawks combos...i mean just youtube king basics and learn...the game is a grind.

[TequilaSunrise]

Originally posted by Majishan:

Originally posted by StifflerStyle:

King player havent a good reputation, King is a cheap and easy character which lifes only of endless grab chains which requires 0 skill and other stupid stuff.

I dont really care if people dont like king, people always cry over stuff aslong as I have fun I dont really mind it, and if you learn the grab counters you can deal with them. I can say that since i am bad and i still manage to break his grabs every now and then ( i just cant react in time yet but it will get better over time)

Yeah thats bull$hit, I think King requires a lot of skill and imagination to be played really well.
It's only in the low ranks that there may be King spammers, but if those are hard to beat for you, then you probably a noob too(whoever, Im not talking to anybody).

[vindicta feet smeller]

Originally posted by StifflerStyle:

Originally posted by Majishan:

So I recently got back into the game and i am trying to learn King, I would love to know what I should prioritize while learning him aka should I practice throws first or combos etc.

since this is my first fighting game I dont really know the "way" to learn a character so for now I watched some guides on him and learned the punishes, know one combo of hopknee and I am currently practicing giantswing and giantswing mixup input. After that I wanted to learn buffering giantswing of d+2. Not sure if this is the "recommended" way of learning King so I would appreciate all tipps etc.

King player havent a good reputation, King is a cheap and easy character which lifes only of endless grab chains which requires 0 skill and other stupid stuff.

You know, you can get out of those chain grabs

[Sonneteer]

I've been playing King since Tekken 2 and I can tell you, he's a grind to learn but worth it. Good advice already in this thread so I'll just add a couple more things that might help:

I'd prioritize learning your punishes and combos first, then spend time drilling the throw chains into your muscle memory. Reason being, you'll have way more chances to get a full whiff punish combo during a match over your throw chains.

You're already working on Giant Swing so that's good. Also mix it up with the F5 move to keep your opponent guessing (same motion but 2+4, I forget the offical name). It does less damage, but most people are looking for GS.

The other big damage throw to learn is the instant Shining Wizard (iSW). The timing is tough but the damage is worth it. There are videos that explain it better than I could. I'm still iffy on my execution for this, but getting better.

I'd learn the f, N, d, df 1+3/2+4 chains first. Again, you'll have a better chance of using those in the match rather than the big chains. Obviously Rolling Death Cradle is the big one, but learn the other chains while you're getting the inputs down for that.



The big problem with King is that he gets pressured easily. You want to keep the opponent at range 1 or 2 (a full character length away or two, about the distance you're at when starting a round), but most people will rush up and get in King's face (range 0) since he doesn't have many quick moves besides his jabs. This is better than it used to be. Tekken 5 was a nightmare for King.

Learning King is a long journey, but IMO he's the most fun and rewarding character to play in all of fightring games.

[Majishan]

Originally posted by johnnysonneteer:

I've been playing King since Tekken 2 and I can tell you, he's a grind to learn but worth it. Good advice already in this thread so I'll just add a couple more things that might help:

I'd prioritize learning your punishes and combos first, then spend time drilling the throw chains into your muscle memory. Reason being, you'll have way more chances to get a full whiff punish combo during a match over your throw chains.

You're already working on Giant Swing so that's good. Also mix it up with the F5 move to keep your opponent guessing (same motion but 2+4, I forget the offical name). It does less damage, but most people are looking for GS.

The other big damage throw to learn is the instant Shining Wizard (iSW). The timing is tough but the damage is worth it. There are videos that explain it better than I could. I'm still iffy on my execution for this, but getting better.

I'd learn the f, N, d, df 1+3/2+4 chains first. Again, you'll have a better chance of using those in the match rather than the big chains. Obviously Rolling Death Cradle is the big one, but learn the other chains while you're getting the inputs down for that.



The big problem with King is that he gets pressured easily. You want to keep the opponent at range 1 or 2 (a full character length away or two, about the distance you're at when starting a round), but most people will rush up and get in King's face (range 0) since he doesn't have many quick moves besides his jabs. This is better than it used to be. Tekken 5 was a nightmare for King.

Learning King is a long journey, but IMO he's the most fun and rewarding character to play in all of fightring games.

I can perform one of the big chain grabs that either ends in the muscle buster or the giant swing, iSW is on my list but i cant even perform the simple uf+4 1+2,3 sprint 2+4combo yet so iSW will take a while to get too, thanks for the tipps