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Shadowhawk668 Oct 23, 2019 @ 12:35pm
Why exclusive content?
Is there a reason they can't release jukebox and classic costumes on the PC version? Is it part of some deal they have with Sony so people will have to buy PlayStation Plus or something? It sucks that we can't have all the content on PC, but I would at least like to know the reason, or know whether or not its just a timed exclusive deal or something.
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SEATEK The_LEFTY Oct 23, 2019 @ 12:40pm 
Why exclusive money?

You probably answered it. Look at other games with exclusivity deals (COD, Epic game store, etc.) companies are doing this with sony and other markets and platforms because players want evwerything- FOMO. Publishers, companies and suits know players will pay for it. Hell, there are a few guys I know that have Tekken on every console and PC so they have EVERYTHING...Who cares.
Shadowhawk668 Oct 23, 2019 @ 12:45pm 
Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:
Why exclusive money?

You probably answered it. Look at other games with exclusivity deals (COD, Epic game store, etc.) companies are doing this with sony and other markets and platforms because players want evwerything- FOMO. Publishers, companies and suits know players will pay for it. Hell, there are a few guys I know that have Tekken on every console and PC so they have EVERYTHING...Who cares.
I care, that's why i asked...and you answered.
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Ben Dover Oct 23, 2019 @ 12:51pm 
Because Sony cares about their clients and pays companies for exclusives stuff. It`s not the first time Sony received something exclusive from Namco. Soulcalibur Broken Destiny and Lost Swords were exclusive for PlayStation consoles. Heihachi was exclusive for PS2 in SC2. There are games like MK9 with Kratos being exclusive to PS3.
Unlikely it`s timed exclusive. Too much time passed. Reason only known by Namco and Sony.

https://twitter.com/tekken/status/824093212239269888?lang=en

SEATEK The_LEFTY Oct 23, 2019 @ 12:52pm 
lol My point wasn't directed at this post. smh...

My point was that idiotic players will pay more for less. Look at COD MW. We know a mode is missing for a year for PC and Xbox. But, nowhere has it been clearly confirmed that lootboxes, Pay 2 Win mechanics or some other BS like what was in BOPs 4 is NOT coming to the game sometime in it's life. The comments by art directors and community managers at IW do not clearly promise none of that crap coming to the game later. These companies think players are stupid and will simply wait until after the Chrismas rush and review cycle to add the scummy stuff later...

You care because you clearly want Jukebox and costumes...That's all well and good, but $ony has a contract for most of that stuff. The Jukebox is over now I think, but some of the songs are still owned by other contract holders or some other BS. Odds are you will not see it this game. And if the new feature is an expanded Jukebox for all users. I will literally $hit, lol.

You could always find the tekken music or turn the in-game music off and play your own. I know it sucks, but that is what Namco thinks is appropriate for you to do I guess.
Shadowhawk668 Oct 23, 2019 @ 12:55pm 
As usual, the console war ruins video games, even on the PC.
Originally posted by Shadowhawk668:
As usual, the console war ruins video games, even on the PC.
Nah, I agree with you sentiment only "ruins video games on PC" is a bit far.
All console players get are some exclusive scraps and bad performance.
You know you got a Jukebox built in you PC right? Its called Alt-Tab to your Internet browser.

Also you can mod the songs in, change entire lay outs to old Tekken, reskin chars etc.

Most of my friends and gf are on console and you must have not owned one this gen? Idk but there isn't anything at all substancial besides Spiderman 4, honestly.

Besides consoles are getting Fazed out, they are dead in japan already, PS5 etc is a pure AMD PC with a Playstation booting panel and PSStore app. We are at the last generation so buy it now if you want Jukebox
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Shadowhawk668 Oct 23, 2019 @ 1:48pm 
Originally posted by neon@stral☼꧁꧂:
Originally posted by Shadowhawk668:
As usual, the console war ruins video games, even on the PC.
Nah, I agree with you sentiment only "ruins video games on PC" is a bit far.
All console players get are some exclusive scraps and bad performance.
You know you got a Jukebox built in you PC right? Its called Alt-Tab to your Internet browser.

Also you can mod the songs in, change entire lay outs to old Tekken, reskin chars etc.

Most of my friends and gf are on console and you must have not owned one this gen? Idk but there isn't anything at all substancial besides Spiderman 4, honestly.

Besides consoles are getting Fazed out, they are dead in japan already, PS5 etc is a pure AMD PC with a Playstation booting panel and PSStore app. We are at the last generation so buy it now if you want Jukebox
To be honest, if I didn't have to pay a monthly fee for online I wouldn't have a problem with buying a PS4, that's why the PS3 was better than the Xbox 360 in my opinion. It just sucks that I can't have all the content for a game all in one place and not have to fork out cash every month to keep playing it, Playstation Plus and Xbox Live are what made me a PC gamer.
Maratka-Indwa Oct 23, 2019 @ 3:24pm 
Originally posted by Jack of Games:
Because Sony cares about their clients and pays companies for exclusives stuff. It`s not the first time Sony received something exclusive from Namco. Soulcalibur Broken Destiny and Lost Swords were exclusive for PlayStation consoles. Heihachi was exclusive for PS2 in SC2. There are games like MK9 with Kratos being exclusive to PS3.
Unlikely it`s timed exclusive. Too much time passed. Reason only known by Namco and Sony.

https://twitter.com/tekken/status/824093212239269888?lang=en
Because Sony cares about *money. Corrected your first sentence.
Maratka-Indwa Oct 23, 2019 @ 3:40pm 
Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:
These companies think players are stupid and will simply wait until after the Chrismas rush and review cycle to add the scummy stuff later...

Im sry to dissapoint you but the majority of the AAA-playerbase are dumb, unrational consumers:

-Anthem is stil in the top 10 of the bestselling games of 2019.
-Fifa is selling like hotcakes, even though EA releases iterations with insignificant changes to the gameplay every year.
-Fallout 76 still sold 4mil+ copies + expensive merchandise.
-Star wars battlefront 2 with its big lootbox controversy sold 5mil+ copies


I could list more examples but i`ve expounded my point. Most gamers are childish acting soyboys who will suck up every ♥♥♥♥♥♥ product they see because "hype marketing".
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Roomi Oct 23, 2019 @ 5:21pm 
well they are running a business, they have to make their deal standout amongst the others. I dont find it surprising from a business point of view, however, as a consumer and a gamer it does feel we are getting more value for money on ps4 than on pc, so one might be inclined towards the better deal or both and thats exactly the point of the exclusivity isnt it?
Ben Dover Oct 24, 2019 @ 1:40am 
Originally posted by Maratka-Indwa:
Originally posted by Jack of Games:
Because Sony cares about their clients and pays companies for exclusives stuff. It`s not the first time Sony received something exclusive from Namco. Soulcalibur Broken Destiny and Lost Swords were exclusive for PlayStation consoles. Heihachi was exclusive for PS2 in SC2. There are games like MK9 with Kratos being exclusive to PS3.
Unlikely it`s timed exclusive. Too much time passed. Reason only known by Namco and Sony.

https://twitter.com/tekken/status/824093212239269888?lang=en
Because Sony cares about *money. Corrected your first sentence.
It`s amazing how business company cares about things like money, right? Why they can`t be like Valve and give users free games regularly. Oh, wait...


Originally posted by Maratka-Indwa:
Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:
These companies think players are stupid and will simply wait until after the Chrismas rush and review cycle to add the scummy stuff later...

Im sry to dissapoint you but the majority of the AAA-playerbase are dumb, unrational consumers:

-Anthem is stil in the top 10 of the bestselling games of 2019.
-Fifa is selling like hotcakes, even though EA releases iterations with insignificant changes to the gameplay every year.
-Fallout 76 still sold 4mil+ copies + expensive merchandise.
-Star wars battlefront 2 with its big lootbox controversy sold 5mil+ copies


I could list more examples but i`ve expounded my point. Most gamers are childish acting soyboys who will suck up every ♥♥♥♥♥♥ product they see because "hype marketing".
Weak argument. Same can be said about fgs playerbase. It will actually fit fgs better.

Every Tekken game has almost the same list of characters and same moves with few changes. I paid 50 euros for Tekken 7 base version. No endings, ♥♥♥♥ customization with reused items, graphics didn`t improved much since TTT2, soundtracks are crap, hardly any improvement in gameplay/combat, quality of online is average (no connection test, same player twice in a row or more). DLC is another story. Trash bowling mode with few items for customization and only 2 characters in SP1. SP2 more or less is fine. Other than the fact that they removed legacy characters and that is nothing else than a cash grab in game franchise where characters are almost identical to their previous versions in every game. Also Gigas being beta Marduk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_CWoVgFU-s

SFV is selling everything. Costumes, characters, stages. Base version back then had almost nothing in it and had high price.

DoA6. You can compare it yourself. Few small improvements. More like DoA 5 Enhanced Edition.

Only game that evolved is Mortal Kombat 11. With all flaws it`s still one the best fighting games. Game that actually changed many things. MK9, MKX, MK11 are all different games. MK11 does have recycled moves but they are nothing like Tekken 7.

Basically Tekken is same SWBF or Fifa. With Tekken 7 Namco decided to support game for longer. That changes nothing. Same can be said about BF2. BF2 is a fine game and it changed so much in patches and updates. All new content is free! It`s still alive and receiving new content.

About the last part of your comment.
Complaining about biased subjective opinion in public and insulting gamers is also childish. Those "♥♥♥♥♥♥ products" are fun games. GAMES! (Yes. I`m talking to you, fgs elite). Games should be fun to play. If you like the idea of buying same junk again and again, then it`s your choice. Only difference between you and dumb AAA consumers in this case is that AAA games are a lot, i repeat, a lot more popular and fun for a lot of players than fighting games. From my experience, newcomers usually abandon fighting games very fast.
Speaking of numbers. I mentioned in another thread on this forum that MKX sold nearly 11mil. copies. It`s a lot more than Tekken 7 sold. The reason? Game was fun. You don`t need to be fgs elite to enjoy it. I`m having fun myself playing boss towers in MK11 with good guy or helping random players. Many of those players hardly touched online modes btw. Once Tekken will become fun and cool, then you can start talking about AAA players. For now it will be a good decision to avoid such topics. Thank You.
Otchim666 Oct 24, 2019 @ 4:00am 
Originally posted by SEATEK The_LEFTY:
You could always find the tekken music or turn the in-game music off and play your own.

That's exactly what I did. That music when waiting for match was driving me insane lmao
Kuriishi Oct 24, 2019 @ 4:11am 
Originally posted by Jack of Games:
Only game that evolved is Mortal Kombat 11. With all flaws it`s still one the best fighting games. Game that actually changed many things. MK9, MKX, MK11 are all different games. MK11 does have recycled moves but they are nothing like Tekken 7.
That's not really true, the problem with MK is that every game they try and do something different. That's not evolution, that's regression. Games like Tekken, SoulCalibur and Dead or Alive have a foundation of which they build upon adding new mechanics on that solid base. That is evolution. Whereas MK takes the solutions to problems and throws it out the window every game having to figure out a new formula for the mechanics.

Also MK sells more than Tekken because MK is more mainstream than Tekken ever was, it appeals to casuals more. But the those sorts will just grind through the casual stuff and drop the game. Whereas Tekken has a solid competitive base which is still growing every year. I don't even like the competitive side but I am aware that it's an area which Tekken excels in.

Don't get me wrong, I actually like MK but I have many qualms with MK11 (gameplay isn't one) which put me off from even getting it. And also, Tekken isn't perfect either, there are areas which MK excels in over Tekken, visuals, stage variety, casual content, tutorials/practice mode/frame data etc.
Ben Dover Oct 24, 2019 @ 5:32am 
Originally posted by Kuriishi:
Originally posted by Jack of Games:
Only game that evolved is Mortal Kombat 11. With all flaws it`s still one the best fighting games. Game that actually changed many things. MK9, MKX, MK11 are all different games. MK11 does have recycled moves but they are nothing like Tekken 7.
That's not really true, the problem with MK is that every game they try and do something different. That's not evolution, that's regression. Games like Tekken, SoulCalibur and Dead or Alive have a foundation of which they build upon adding new mechanics on that solid base. That is evolution. Whereas MK takes the solutions to problems and throws it out the window every game having to figure out a new formula for the mechanics.

Also MK sells more than Tekken because MK is more mainstream than Tekken ever was, it appeals to casuals more. But the those sorts will just grind through the casual stuff and drop the game. Whereas Tekken has a solid competitive base which is still growing every year. I don't even like the competitive side but I am aware that it's an area which Tekken excels in.

Don't get me wrong, I actually like MK but I have many qualms with MK11 (gameplay isn't one) which put me off from even getting it. And also, Tekken isn't perfect either, there are areas which MK excels in over Tekken, visuals, stage variety, casual content, tutorials/practice mode/frame data etc.
MK11 learned from past mistakes and improved almost everything. It evolved in graphics, gameplay and other things. Different or not it doesn`t matter. I don`t like some things in MK11 but i won`t deny that overall it`s huge improvement. Gameplay-wise it has more variety of style, unlike MKX rushdown. Combat in MK still remains my least favorite part and that`s the reason why i play Tekken sometimes. Tekken does have this Japanese approach of improving combat every game but sometimes it`s good only on paper. A lot of players still complain about "cheap/cheese" etc moves/characters. I`m not as picky as them but i do find some things in Tekken combat system more annoying than they should be. There`s no excuse for that. Namco took cheap approach. Used what they already had and polished some things a bit. MK11 on the other hand reworked things like juggles. In comparison to MKX it`s hell and heaven. More strict timing, escape mechanics. Not braindead like in MKX. Defender has option to escape juggle, while attacker will be rewarded for his skill. Win/Win.
I played SoulCalibur 2 and i do have SC6. SC6 new mechanics ruined the game for me and some other players. Critical edge and meter made it less attractive "too casual". Just to note. It`s one step away from death on PC.

More mainstream means more fun. More fun means more players. More players means more money. That`s how business works these days. There are players in MK who play only in SP modes, those who compete with others and those who play both, online and SP modes. Tekken competitive base is so tiny (like in any other fighting game) that it doesn`t matter. It only matters for 100 players that participate in tournaments. In the end it`s we, casual players who pay for those games. This number of 4mil. sold Tekken 7 copies is 90-95% casuals. Casual players are the main reason this genre still exist. What do we get in return? Toxic crap and lack of respect from arrogant "forever competitive" players like "git gud"? They can`t even improve their own skill and so they stuck in this bubble between common players and tournament players. Forever improving players. Not trying to sound rude but that`s just how it is. Many players who wanted to compete already left for one reason or another. Only most "hardcore" remained and those who try to play for fun (like me) here and there.
WB/NRS knows who brings them money. They make fun games. Games that player on any level can enjoy. Newcomer, average or high level player. Also MK competitive players have to learn something new every game, while Tekken players already learned everything in previous Tekken games and only need to practice with things like Rage Arts. This makes the game a bit unfair to newcomers.
I`m not fanboy so you can have your opinion. All i ask is more respect towards casual players and gamers in general.
Kuriishi Oct 24, 2019 @ 6:26am 
Originally posted by Jack of Games:
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In the end it`s we, casual players who pay for those games. This number of 4mil. sold Tekken 7 copies is 90-95% casuals. Casual players are the main reason this genre still exist. What do we get in return? Toxic crap and lack of respect from arrogant "forever competitive" players like "git gud"? They can`t even improve their own skill and so they stuck in this bubble between common players and tournament players. Forever improving players. Not trying to sound rude but that`s just how it is. Many players who wanted to compete already left for one reason or another. Only most "hardcore" remained and those who try to play for fun (like me) here and there.
WB/NRS knows who brings them money. They make fun games. Games that player on any level can enjoy. Newcomer, average or high level player. Also MK competitive players have to learn something new every game, while Tekken players already learned everything in previous Tekken games and only need to practice with things like Rage Arts. This makes the game a bit unfair to newcomers.
I`m not fanboy so you can have your opinion. All i ask is more respect towards casual players and gamers in general.
Well, to be fair, it's not like NRS/WB Games is the saviour of all fighting games. Sure, in terms of casual content they are unparalleled. They aren't completely infallible though. With MK11 there are odd design changes, taken straight from a mobile game. Microtransactions to exploit that casual fanbase to get as much money as they can from them, mobile game mechanics shoved into the game, reliance on servers for even the single player content, Retcons, disparity between consoles and PC in terms of patches etc. These are the sorts of things which are offputting.

Even as a casual player, there's no doubting that Tekken is doing much better in terms of playerbase than MK11 and it's an older game too. So Tekken Devs must be doing something right. Or maybe it's just that NRS is doing something terribly wrong
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