4 dollars for frame data wtf?

[khalasar]

Before you pot smoking sheep ask me if I have 4 dollars I do, but that's not the point you 3d neckbearded ♥♥♥♥♥. Why am I paying for information that should be free? This ♥♥♥♥ vital to people winning matches and I need to pay for it. Pretty soon they're gonna dlc training mode all together because of you guys that worship and beat your meat to some 60 pound pro player or neckbearded dwarf.

[Kuriishi]

Messaggio originale di Ryoda:

Except for DoA, it's not free in any game then.
So the cost of development is within the base game which is something you can do when you release a feature with the base game on day 1.
And in DoA it pays with tons of microtransactions.

So every other game got to monetize it somehow, but tekken can't.

I think the main argument for that (devil's advocate here) is that DoA monetisation is mainly cosmetic whereas this Frame Data feature does actually have an impact on competitive play (definitely way more than costumes do xD).

Also, any game worth its salt plans for these features for the base game rather than "extras" added later (still devil's advocate). For example, continuing with DoA as an example, it has a comprehensive tutorial covering all the game mechanics, Command Training, Combo Challenge as well as a Practice Mode to learn the game. All in the base game

[Orbister]

Messaggio originale di Kuriishi:

Messaggio originale di Ryoda:

Except for DoA, it's not free in any game then.
So the cost of development is within the base game which is something you can do when you release a feature with the base game on day 1.
And in DoA it pays with tons of microtransactions.

So every other game got to monetize it somehow, but tekken can't.

I think the main argument for that (devil's advocate here) is that DoA monetisation is mainly cosmetic whereas this Frame Data feature does actually have an impact on competitive play (definitely way more than costumes do xD).

Also, any game worth its salt plans for these features for the base game rather than "extras" added later (still devil's advocate). For example, continuing with DoA as an example, it has a comprehensive tutorial covering all the game mechanics, Command Training, Combo Challenge as well as a Practice Mode to learn the game. All in the base game

Definitily adding this features is welcome and i would never argue in favor of making them a paid dlc. I didn't know it was so common though. The only fighting games i play are tekken and recently GG, which is known for having a fantastic tutorial system, i thought it was an exception.

[Orbister]

Considering tekken 7 was a hard sell for them, because of tag 2's failure 4 dollars is dirt cheap.

[niko~]

Yeah no, I can't defend it too much when RBNorway is an extensive database for it, and Tekken Bot Prime exists. Yeah, it's only 4 bucks and I'm glad they actually added it, but people have been asking for this for ages now. The game barely has a tutorial, frame data is the least we can ask for. I really don't see how anyone can defend it beyond the small joy of finally seeing frame data in the game when Harada has been so opposed to it. Same way people got pissed when Smash Bros Brawl tried to kill the game for competitive play. It's just unnecessary greed, it feels kinda disrespectful as ♥♥♥♥ more than anything.

[Trippy Drug]

As unpopular this opinion seems to be in this forum, I'll have to agree that I can't see how anyone could defend frame data DLC making sense. It isn't just an added bonus, it's vital knowledge that every player deserves to know. 4 dollars or euros is a pretty low price for sure but it still doesn't make any sense why we are supposed to pay for this.

DLC are supposed extra goodies that you don't have to necessarily care about, for example all the characters added so far as dlc, or bowling and so on. Frame data on the other hand is crucial information that basically every player would want to know, since after all let's be honest, there aren't many tekken players that never searched to find frame data, either for their own character or some hard matchup they would like to know about.

It's not like Tekken 7 hasn't made enough money already, it's literally one of the most succesful fighting games out there right now. But anyways the decision seems to be set on stone at this point by Namco, so other than complain about this being kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ there isn't much to do. At least we'll still have TekkenBot.

[Trippy Drug]

I mean yeah, companies want to make money, what's new. That doesn't mean it's fair for the customers, nor that this sort of behavior should be encouraged.

So it doesn't make sense, in the sense that this is not the behavior you want to follow if you want to have a good relationship with your fans. And it doesn't make sense, because once again this is vital information everyone needs, not extra stuff that you could get if you have some extra cash you don't mind spending. From a purely commercial point of view, sure, it makes 100% sense and we should also add more 11 more dlc, maybe lock some existing stuff behind paywalls too, lol.

It's not the end of the world, but kind of a ♥♥♥♥ move still.

[Orbister]

I hope you get the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ framedata for free and bandai namco never again makes another Tekken that's what all you whiny idiots deserve.

[Unknown]

Messaggio originale di Ryoda:

It actually makes sense.
For bandai namco that is.
They're first and foremost a buisness.
Saying it makes no sense is simply not true.

Like I said before, when will you idiots realize that games nowadays is business, not games?

[Shoepots]

*sips drink* Ah yes, the slippery slope fallacy in action right here, folks.

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Messaggio originale di Pedestrian:

As unpopular this opinion seems to be in this forum, I'll have to agree that I can't see how anyone could defend frame data DLC making sense. It isn't just an added bonus, it's vital knowledge that every player deserves to know. 4 dollars or euros is a pretty low price for sure but it still doesn't make any sense why we are supposed to pay for this.

DLC are supposed extra goodies that you don't have to necessarily care about, for example all the characters added so far as dlc, or bowling and so on. Frame data on the other hand is crucial information that basically every player would want to know, since after all let's be honest, there aren't many tekken players that never searched to find frame data, either for their own character or some hard matchup they would like to know about.

It's not like Tekken 7 hasn't made enough money already, it's literally one of the most succesful fighting games out there right now. But anyways the decision seems to be set on stone at this point by Namco, so other than complain about this being kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ there isn't much to do. At least we'll still have TekkenBot.

This DLC is not vital, because it's not been in a Tekken game ever, until now. On the other hand, these trivial bonus DLC characters you mention, are actually integral to playing the game, because if you don't have them you will never be able to lab them. You could always look frames up but you can never practice a character without having them and that is essential to go far

[Saki]

Just use Tekken Bot Prime if you don't want to buy the frame data. The actually good features (replays, punishment practice) will be released for free which is generous of Bamco.

[Trippy Drug]

Messaggio originale di majic boycott epic + blizzard:

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I think we can agree that there's a pretty big difference to just searching up numbers and actually seeing them displayed on your screen very nicely, with any possible extra information you might need for them. Not to mention that many times searching up frame data takes up time and might not yield satisfying results, especially now with the new changes after season 3.

Saying that it's not vital because it hasn't been in any previous Tekken however is not an argument. Why would it matter? The point is that people who have this dlc will be more informed and\or more easily informed than everyone else, and will hence be performing better.

That being said I actually do agree that the fact that the DLC characters can't be used in training mode is pretty stupid too. I just personally don't think it's as annoying as this.