Leroy is NOT Wang or a Wang recolor

[Aldrakir]

For all the people who think he's Wang or a black Wang. Because i've seen a lot who think so

Just giving you the friendly heads up that he is not. Wang practices an old Chinese martial art within the Tai Chi Chuan circles called Xin Yi Liu He Quan. He has also always been quite small, and skinny.


Leroy on the other hand is rather big from the looks of it. Being what seems like the same size as Feng. While he also practices Wing Chun. Which is Kung Fu.

Xin Yi Liu He Quan is focused on short range explosive power and aggression. It is also quite linear, so to speak.

Wing Chun on the other hand is more about trapping the opponent's limbs, and defending yourself while attacking. In Wing Chun it's also EXTREMELY important to keep something called the Center Line.

If you want my take on it. Based on Wing Chun principles. I believe Leroy is going to be very, very effective with aggressive rush down. But I think he will have SEVERE range issues, and low damage compared to the average Tekken character. While he's going to make up for it with the rushdown. I am also theorizing we're going to get a new mechanic in the form of parry/reversal windows during attacks. Like if you watch the trailer of him he did chain punches. I'm theorizing that he's going to have a few moves/attacks/strings that have built in parry/reversals


I hope that clears it up a little :)

[pablonesmrtelny]

Yeah, lets hope they stick to the martial art moveset and that his moves are rather grounded in nature and well animated.

I'm praying to all gods that his animations aren't patched together like Negan's or Katarina's.

[Aldrakir]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Yeah, lets hope they stick to the martial art moveset and that his moves are rather grounded in nature and well animated.

I'm praying to all gods that his animations aren't patched together like Negan's or Katarina's.

Negan's moveset looks good for the purpose it serves. That being that Negan isn't a martial artist. He's a big guy with a bat. He's supposed to look clumsy. And it works well because of it.

Leroy will probably have a very smooth looking moveset without too too much insanely over the top stuff. Because Wing Chun, despite looking fancy. Is rather scientific and grounded. I really hope they pull it off properly

[🔞𝕂𝔸𝕋𝔸ℕ𝔸🔞]

Originally posted by Bruce:

For all the people who think he's Wang or a black Wang. Because i've seen a lot who think so

Just giving you the friendly heads up that he is not. Wang practices an old Chinese martial art within the Tai Chi Chuan circles called Xin Yi Liu He Quan. He has also always been quite small, and skinny.


Leroy on the other hand is rather big from the looks of it. Being what seems like the same size as Feng. While he also practices Wing Chun. Which is Kung Fu.

Xin Yi Liu He Quan is focused on short range explosive power and aggression. It is also quite linear, so to speak.

Wing Chun on the other hand is more about trapping the opponent's limbs, and defending yourself while attacking. In Wing Chun it's also EXTREMELY important to keep something called the Center Line.

If you want my take on it. Based on Wing Chun principles. I believe Leroy is going to be very, very effective with aggressive rush down. But I think he will have SEVERE range issues, and low damage compared to the average Tekken character. While he's going to make up for it with the rushdown. I am also theorizing we're going to get a new mechanic in the form of parry/reversal windows during attacks. Like if you watch the trailer of him he did chain punches. I'm theorizing that he's going to have a few moves/attacks/strings that have built in parry/reversals


I hope that clears it up a little :)

Man <3 thanks for that explaining :) i hope youre right iam looking forward for leroy :)

[Sekij]

Ya so yesterday i was suuuper tired and tought "oh black Wang" :D but Wing Chun sounds interessting, i guess he will have some sick Parrys as well.

[Aldrakir]

Originally posted by K@TANA:

Originally posted by Bruce:

For all the people who think he's Wang or a black Wang. Because i've seen a lot who think so

Just giving you the friendly heads up that he is not. Wang practices an old Chinese martial art within the Tai Chi Chuan circles called Xin Yi Liu He Quan. He has also always been quite small, and skinny.


Leroy on the other hand is rather big from the looks of it. Being what seems like the same size as Feng. While he also practices Wing Chun. Which is Kung Fu.

Xin Yi Liu He Quan is focused on short range explosive power and aggression. It is also quite linear, so to speak.

Wing Chun on the other hand is more about trapping the opponent's limbs, and defending yourself while attacking. In Wing Chun it's also EXTREMELY important to keep something called the Center Line.

If you want my take on it. Based on Wing Chun principles. I believe Leroy is going to be very, very effective with aggressive rush down. But I think he will have SEVERE range issues, and low damage compared to the average Tekken character. While he's going to make up for it with the rushdown. I am also theorizing we're going to get a new mechanic in the form of parry/reversal windows during attacks. Like if you watch the trailer of him he did chain punches. I'm theorizing that he's going to have a few moves/attacks/strings that have built in parry/reversals


I hope that clears it up a little :)

Man <3 thanks for that explaining :) i hope youre right iam looking forward for leroy :)

No worries man. Just preaching the good word of martial arts :)

[Kuriishi]

That doesn't change the fact that Wing Chun is useless in an actual fight lol

[Aldrakir]

Originally posted by Kurenai:

That doesn't change the fact that Wing Chun is useless in an actual fight lol

It's not. It's just very hard to apply and it requires way more practice than other things to actually apply to self defense.

Pointless to practice for effectiveness of self defense compared to stuff like Muay Thai, Boxing, BJJ? Sure

Effective? Definitely. It's just hard to pull off.

Saying this as someone who's done Jeet Kune Do for 13 years. And have also done some Wing Chun. We also do our fair share of sparring.

From my personal experience it does work. It's just...Hard to apply. And most Wing Chun doesn't work. Gotta apply what's useful, take away what's not. Bruce Lee style, y'know :)

Generally if you want Wing Chun for self defense you need to study the WC system called ChiSao.

[Kuriishi]

Originally posted by Bruce:

It's not. It's just very hard to apply and it requires way more practice than other things to actually apply to self defense.

Pointless to practice for effectiveness of self defense compared to stuff like Muay Thai, Boxing, BJJ? Sure

Effective? Definitely. It's just hard to pull off.

Ah, you're most likely correct. I guess all those "Wing Chun Vs. MMA" videos have warped my perception of it lol

[Aldrakir]

Originally posted by Kurenai:

Originally posted by Bruce:

It's not. It's just very hard to apply and it requires way more practice than other things to actually apply to self defense.

Pointless to practice for effectiveness of self defense compared to stuff like Muay Thai, Boxing, BJJ? Sure

Effective? Definitely. It's just hard to pull off.

Ah, you're most likely correct. I guess all those "Wing Chun Vs. MMA" videos have warped my perception of it lol

Not really? You're saying Wing Chun is useless. And I agreed with you to an extent. Wing Chun can be useful if applied correctly. And if you don't use it as the ONLY thing.

If you want Wing Chun to work properly. You need to apply it to the other stuff you know.

Look at Tony Fergusson. He does MMA, professional fighter. He uses Wing Chun in the ring.

There's also a few others.

The thing you seem to be misinformed about is that you're taking the perspective of.

''Wing Chun vs MMA''

In which case yes. MMA wins. Because it's a more complete martial art. Wing Chun is specific. You need to be at a certain range. And you need certain circumstances.

Again. Wing Chun is useful if you take the stuff that works from it and apply it. And the specific scenarios it comes with.

You might only use Wing Chun like 2 to 5 times in a 100 hours of sparring. But when you do get to use it. You shave off like 1.5 to 2 seconds of time you'd normally have to think. And it works wonders.

Wing Chun can be very useful if you apply it to existing martial arts knowledge. Wing Chun with no other martial arts experience is...Not very useful. That's the magic of martial arts, and Jeet Kune Do.

You take what works and what's effective from all martial arts, and you mix it into one artform. Hence. You take the few things that work from Wing Chun, and you drill it into your other martial arts. Your boxing, muay thai, taekwondo, judo, philippino martial arts, etc etc. And you suddenly get a very effective system. Where Wing Chun can be applied how it's supposed to. For specific circumstances.

[Aldrakir]

Originally posted by Kurenai:

Originally posted by Bruce:

It's not. It's just very hard to apply and it requires way more practice than other things to actually apply to self defense.

Pointless to practice for effectiveness of self defense compared to stuff like Muay Thai, Boxing, BJJ? Sure

Effective? Definitely. It's just hard to pull off.

Ah, you're most likely correct. I guess all those "Wing Chun Vs. MMA" videos have warped my perception of it lol

Also if you're going to make decisions of what works and what doesn't. Please do humor me. Do you actually practice martial arts, if so. Which ones. Have you actually ever tried sparring against people who know Wing Chun coupled with other martial arts. Have you ever tried out Wing Chun?

I'm going to assume it's a no to all of those except that you've maybe done a martial art, right? :)

Don't judge and make decisions off of something you don't know the answer to and haven't experienced because you've seen some Wing Chun guys get rekt on video tape xd

[Kuriishi]

Oh, I see. That's quite interesting, so basically it's like a supplement Martial Art. Anywho, it's nice to see an actual existing martial art represented in Tekken again

[Kuriishi]

Originally posted by Bruce:

Also if you're going to make decisions of what works and what doesn't. Please do humor me. Do you actually practice martial arts, if so. Which ones. Have you actually ever tried sparring against people who know Wing Chun coupled with other martial arts. Have you ever tried out Wing Chun?

I'm going to assume it's a no to all of those except that you've maybe done a martial art, right? :)

Don't judge and make decisions off of something you don't know the answer to and haven't experienced because you've seen some Wing Chun guys get rekt on video tape xd

No, you're right, I was just being a bit jocular with my comments xP

I'm clearly out of my depth in terms of knowledge. However, I'm grateful for you taking the time to share your insight

[Aldrakir]

Originally posted by Kurenai:

Oh, I see. That's quite interesting, so basically it's like a supplement Martial Art. Anywho, it's nice to see an actual existing martial art represented in Tekken again

Well yes and no. Think more of it as like. Wing Chun schools today is more like...They do it for money. Or for students. Or they're bad schools. There's a lot of factors. It's the same with Kung Fu or Aikido for example. They've been used in war several times. Kung Fu has been practiced for like 4000 years or something. Yet today it's all acrobatics and fanciness, almost.

Wing Chun can work. It can work very well. But it's your responsibility as a student to take what works and learn how to apply it properly. And also to discard what's bad. Not the people teaching you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y5fNgIjOQA

Also have a sparring video :)

The boxer is actually pretty decent. But the Wing Chun guy has sparred before. And shuts down the boxer quite well. Again. All about learning how to apply. And ACTUALLY SPARRING.

90% of Wing Chun schools today don't spar. And if they do. It's ONLY against other Wing Chun people. So they get 0 experience actually...Y'know. Learning how to apply it against normal people, or boxers, or MMA fighters, etc.

They also never learn how it feels to get hit. To be scared. To get knocked on your ass, etc.

That's why you see so many traditional martial artists get completely rekt on youtube these days.

They are from school that do it for the fanciness, or the money. And they never learn to spar or get hit. So they look great for the first 5-10 seconds. They do some deflections, then they get hit or get in a position they wouldn't get in unless sparring or messing about with people doing the same martial art as them. And then boom. They get scared, they don't know what to do, etc.

It's definitely possible to do Wing Chun as a martial art on it's own. You just need to spar and practice. Learn what it is to actually get in a fight, or as close to it as possible.

[Aldrakir]

Originally posted by Kurenai:

Originally posted by Bruce:

Also if you're going to make decisions of what works and what doesn't. Please do humor me. Do you actually practice martial arts, if so. Which ones. Have you actually ever tried sparring against people who know Wing Chun coupled with other martial arts. Have you ever tried out Wing Chun?

I'm going to assume it's a no to all of those except that you've maybe done a martial art, right? :)

Don't judge and make decisions off of something you don't know the answer to and haven't experienced because you've seen some Wing Chun guys get rekt on video tape xd

No, you're right, I was just being a bit jocular with my comments xP

I'm clearly out of my depth in terms of knowledge. However, I'm grateful for you taking the time to share your insight :lunar2019grinningpig:

To give you an example of Wing Chun working as well. I used to know a guy who's best friend was in jail because somebody tried to assault him. Guy had practiced Wing Chun for like 15 years over here in Denmark. He trapped the attackers arm then hit the guy with 3 chain punches to the throat which crushed the dude's windpipe and killed him. He's still in jail I think

EU does not condone a death even if it's for self defense. So that guy's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ xd

The other guy probably didn't know martial arts or self defense. Might as well also have been drunk. But again. He applied it for self defense. In a manner that it was effective enough he literally killed someone. It can work. You just need to know how

And well believe the story or not. That's how it was told to me. Might be fake. Might be true. I like to think it's true. I sadly never got around to get proof or ask what his name was or anything, but, yeah.

[pablonesmrtelny]

He is right about wing chun.

All of the traditional martial arts look useless in comparison to modern mix martial arts but its not the case.

Almost all of the traditional martial arts contain pieces that are very useful - the martial arts are just not complete package so you need to handpick specific techniques and ignore others. And of course you also need to fill in the blanks that are not covered in given martial art.