Hitbox Cross up

[Tshask]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OcecoQ35Jg


Thoughts?

[gigaturok]

Not a fan of custom made peripherals to exploit game mechanics. Because most things in Tekken are balanced around their execution. If you take the execution out of the equation the game would need some very serious re-balancing.

And if you look at Golf for example: They had to ban a Golf ball in the 70s. Said Golf ball did self-correct itself to automatically fly straight. Why did they ban it? Golfers who used that ball performed way better than the rest because it made clean, straight long-distance shots very easy.

Let's apply that to Tekken with two moves: EWGF and Instant While Running moves. Take the execution out of them and you have moves that are actually broken momentum builders.

[pablonesmrtelny]

I thought double inputs were usually not allowed...

That being said - I am not sure whether this will be really that much better than mixbox/hitbox. I think the advantages are basically shared between all those devices. So the "bonus" stick serves only as a comfort feature for those who prefer stick movement.

If that is the case its not a big deal.

[PegAsi]

Escrito originalmente por pablonesmrtelny:

I thought double inputs were usually not allowed...

That being said - I am not sure whether this will be really that much better than mixbox/hitbox. I think the advantages are basically shared between all those devices. So the "bonus" stick serves only as a comfort feature for those who prefer stick movement.

If that is the case its not a big deal.

its not the same. It makes certain things way too easy. Even with mixbox and hitbox, you have only one tool for movement. (4 button layout) With Cross UP, you have 2 forms of movement. (4 buttons and stick) and thats when things start to go towards ban worthy territory.

The question is , will people rally by the end of the month to change the Evo staff's mind?

The Cross UP will change the way games are played forever, if it makes it past this stage.

[pablonesmrtelny]

Escrito originalmente por PegAsi:

Escrito originalmente por pablonesmrtelny:

I thought double inputs were usually not allowed...

That being said - I am not sure whether this will be really that much better than mixbox/hitbox. I think the advantages are basically shared between all those devices. So the "bonus" stick serves only as a comfort feature for those who prefer stick movement.

If that is the case its not a big deal.

its not the same. It makes certain things way too easy. Even with mixbox and hitbox, you have only one tool for movement. (4 button layout) With Cross UP, you have 2 forms of movement. (4 buttons and stick) and thats when things start to go towards ban worthy territory.

At first I also thought that it will be banned becuase of double inputs but now when I think about it its not that bad.

I mean in what area this device have a big advantage over hitbox? It seems that the "OP" techniques are pretty much the same.

Only thing that occurs to me is that dash and WR moves can be done with two hands to speed things up but the fact that its a stick in the left hand makes it meh. Experienced hitbox users can do dash and WR moves by double/triple tapping too.

Just frames and similar moves are easy on keyboard-like peripherals for some time now.

Imho the biggest "problem" is not how good this controller is. The problem is that since it has a stick its very close to regular stick and therefore its a mainstream controller. So why would a stick player use normal stick over this one which is exactly the same except with more features?

Keyboards/hitboxes/mixboxes were still kinda obscure and they differed a lot from normal sticks.

[30 IQ Player]

yeah i think that new cross up thing ruin the game for sure...

[Wavekid]

My final thoughts are, that the people able to exploit IN A TOURNAMENT GAME ON REGULAR BASIS the hitbox COMPLETE POTENTIAL are one in a trillion therefore there's no need to ban it.

Bein able to press back and forward at the same time wont make you a tekken god if your brain is yet to be found

[Wavekid]

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Escrito originalmente por Wavekid91 (Sponsor me plz):

My final thoughts are, that the people able to exploit IN A TOURNAMENT GAME ON REGULAR BASIS the hitbox COMPLETE POTENTIAL are one in a trillion therefore there's no need to ban it.

Bein able to press back and forward at the same time wont make you a tekken god if your brain is yet to be found

The crossup is not the same as an regular hitbox AT ALL.
Many people seem to think it's just another hitbox.
No, it's an entirely diffrent design concept.
It's just called hitbox crossup because the company who made it is literally called "hitbox".

I know well its different and how, i was just gathering my thoughts and makin it shorter. I do include the crossup aswell

[Psyntifik]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you also use stick and dpad for movement on a controller?

[PegAsi]

Escrito originalmente por Psyntifik:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you also use stick and dpad for movement on a controller?

You can , though it is very unusual and probably uncomfortable to so. That's another part of the problem , again I think the problem is that it allows 2 tools for directional movement.


Of course , no one is saying, "let's ban controllers". I think a simple solution is to just allow only one tool for input. It wouldn't ban any controller except the Cross/UP.

[RKoz¦90N]

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Escrito originalmente por Psyntifik:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you also use stick and dpad for movement on a controller?

You can , though it is very unusual and probably uncomfortable to so. That's another part of the problem , again I think the problem is that it allows 2 tools for directional movement.


Of course , no one is saying, "let's ban controllers". I think a simple solution is to just allow only one tool for input. It wouldn't ban any controller except the Cross/UP.

And all ps4 controllers

[Unknown]

I have softwares for these. Why spend a buck for crap like that?

[PegAsi]

Escrito originalmente por RKoz:

Escrito originalmente por PegAsi:

You can , though it is very unusual and probably uncomfortable to so. That's another part of the problem , again I think the problem is that it allows 2 tools for directional movement.


Of course , no one is saying, "let's ban controllers". I think a simple solution is to just allow only one tool for input. It wouldn't ban any controller except the Cross/UP.

And all ps4 controllers

Stopping a game from accepting 2 different directional tools at once , from the way evo is putting it, Up to the devs of the fighting game.

Ps4 controllers have always had 2 but no one uses both at once because it's just too unnatural. You only have 2 hands, you can't use both hands for movement like you can with the Cross/UP. Ps4 wouldn't be banned... until someone makes up a way of doing so.

[PegAsi]

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I have softwares for these. Why spend a buck for crap like that?

Because you can't go and download software onto a ps4 device when at tournaments.

[WTFHAX!]

Might as well macro whole combos. Might as well use hacked characters in online. Might as well make the game play itself at this point (of course, in a way that will benefit only you, anywhere, anytime, against anyone).

[Wavekid]

The macro topic is an endless argument, i could go evo setting a macro on a button and nobody would notice despite my performance