Hitbox Cross up

[Tshask]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OcecoQ35Jg


Thoughts?

[poop]

Escrito originalmente por Wavekid91 (Sponsor me plz):

The macro topic is an endless argument, i could go evo setting a macro on a button and nobody would notice despite my performance

No you can't.

[Psyntifik]

Escrito originalmente por PegAsi:

You can , though it is very unusual and probably uncomfortable to so. That's another part of the problem , again I think the problem is that it allows 2 tools for directional movement.


Of course , no one is saying, "let's ban controllers". I think a simple solution is to just allow only one tool for input. It wouldn't ban any controller except the Cross/UP.

You can't ban the Cross Up for allowing 2 means of inputting movement, but allow controllers even though they also have that means.
This controller exploits the games mechanics in the same non-offensive way KBD does.

Iunno, personally I don't have a problem with the Cross Up, it's just another tool to play with - albeit a great one.

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

I mean sure, you Can create a ridicilous setup - but is it worth getting used to?
Daigo was just banned for bringing his home monstrosity to Tourney which allowed his guile to buffer sonic boom out of anything instantly.

I say it doesnt even matter concidering it wont fly even at amateur tourney, but if you are doing it home hell I wouldn't care. After all you are getting used to a habbit that will make you a worse player over time

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

Escrito originalmente por Psyntifik:

You can't ban the Cross Up for allowing 2 means of inputting movement

Yes you can, 90% of Tourneys dont allow that and no one is safe too. Daigo got mopped for it off the stage in a heart beat like 2 months ago.
If you are doing it home I personally dont care either but its not gonnafly anywhere outside your house

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb1-d9pyjE8

[Tshask]

Escrito originalmente por Psyntifik:

Escrito originalmente por PegAsi:

You can , though it is very unusual and probably uncomfortable to so. That's another part of the problem , again I think the problem is that it allows 2 tools for directional movement.


Of course , no one is saying, "let's ban controllers". I think a simple solution is to just allow only one tool for input. It wouldn't ban any controller except the Cross/UP.

You can't ban the Cross Up for allowing 2 means of inputting movement, but allow controllers even though they also have that means.
This controller exploits the games mechanics in the same non-offensive way KBD does.

Iunno, personally I don't have a problem with the Cross Up, it's just another tool to play with - albeit a great one.

The difference with the Cross Up is that it allows you to comfortably use both of your hands for directional input.

[Psyntifik]

Escrito originalmente por neon@stral☼꧁꧂:

Escrito originalmente por Psyntifik:

You can't ban the Cross Up for allowing 2 means of inputting movement

Yes you can, 90% of Tourneys dont allow that and no one is safe too. Daigo got mopped for it off the stage in a heart beat like 2 months ago.

Half truth.
Daigo got banned because he janked the SOCD, not because he had 2 methods of inputting movement.
The CrossUp doesn't operate like that.

Escrito originalmente por Tshask:

The difference with the Cross Up is that it allows you to comfortably use both of your hands for directional input.

The Hitbox Arcade allows you to do that, and they've grown to be accepted.

[Wavekid]

Escrito originalmente por poop:

Escrito originalmente por Wavekid91 (Sponsor me plz):

The macro topic is an endless argument, i could go evo setting a macro on a button and nobody would notice despite my performance

No you can't.

I'm pretty sure i can, i entered dozens of tournament and nobody checkd my stick

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

Escrito originalmente por Psyntifik:

Escrito originalmente por neon@stral☼꧁꧂:

Yes you can, 90% of Tourneys dont allow that and no one is safe too. Daigo got mopped for it off the stage in a heart beat like 2 months ago.

Half truth.
Daigo got banned because he janked the SOCD, not because he had 2 methods of inputting movement.
The CrossUp doesn't operate like that.

Escrito originalmente por Tshask:

The difference with the Cross Up is that it allows you to comfortably use both of your hands for directional input.

The Hitbox Arcade allows you to do that, and they've grown to be accepted.

Um how is this any different??
Concidering this stick already comes with similar directional system , that was built in by Daigo, he just modified his own?
With this hitbox you can press Back and d/f at the same time, how is it pressing b+d/f at the same time different than pressing back and forward at the same time?

Both succesfully over-ride the cancellation(your inputs should cancel eachother if they contradict directional inputs) but neither Diago's does that nor the Hitbox TMMis talking about.

So i don't see how im lying or w/e

[Psyntifik]

Escrito originalmente por neon@stral☼꧁꧂:

Um how is this any different??
Concidering this stick already comes with similar ststem built in and Daigo just modified his own?
With this mixbox you can press Back and d/f at the sane time, how is it pressing b+d/f at the same time dufferent than pressing back and forward at the same time?

Both succesfulky over-ride the cancellation(you inputs should cancel eachother if they contradict directionl inputs) but neither Diago's does that nor the mix box TMMis talking about.

So i don't see how im lying or w/e

The Hitbox Cross Up has an SOCD Cleaner whereas Daigo's box didn't. That's what allowed him do multiple directions at the same time.

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

Escrito originalmente por Psyntifik:

Escrito originalmente por neon@stral☼꧁꧂:

Um how is this any different??
Concidering this stick already comes with similar ststem built in and Daigo just modified his own?
With this mixbox you can press Back and d/f at the sane time, how is it pressing b+d/f at the same time dufferent than pressing back and forward at the same time?

Both succesfulky over-ride the cancellation(you inputs should cancel eachother if they contradict directionl inputs) but neither Diago's does that nor the mix box TMMis talking about.

So i don't see how im lying or w/e

The Hitbox Cross Up has an SOCD Cleaner whereas Daigo's box didn't. That's what allowed him do multiple directions at the same time.

So you are saying the only reason why Daigo got banned is bc he modified in his own socd and thats why he got banned?
Bc i dunno if you watched the TMM crossup video in this thread, he directly states that you CAN hold b/f at the same time, b+d/f and other at the same time for perfect electrics abd back dashing or wavu dashing while having block as you move forward.
How is that justified but Daigos custom isnt, when they are capable of doing identical inputs? Explain pls

[Psyntifik]

Escrito originalmente por neon@stral☼꧁꧂:

So you are saying the only reason why Daigo got banned is bc he modified in his own socd and thats why he got banned?
Bc i dunno if you wanted the TMM crossup video in this thread, he directly states that you CAN hold b/f at the same time, b+d/f and other at the same time for perfect electrics abd back dashing or wavu dashing while having block as you move forward.
How is that justified but Daigos custom isnt, when they are capable of doing identical inputs? Explain pls

You don't have access to block whilst moving forward, that's not how it works for the Cross Up - or any other peripheral.

Think of it like pre-loading a direction. If I'm holding back with the stick, then any time I'm not pressing another direction, I'm gonna default to back.
This is why you can hold back and keep tapping down, then forward for KBD. Thanks to SOCD, pressing down puts it at d/b, then pressing forward makes the input neutral. I let go of forward, and "default" to back again immediately.

In Daigo's case, his back input was still being registered and used to store a charge when he was walking forward (thus janking the SOCD).

To reiterate, the actual button presses of the Kaz player TMM is showing here was something like holding F, then tapping d+2. That isn't breaking any laws of inputs. That's how you get d/f on a Hitbox Arcade, or on a D-Pad.

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

Escrito originalmente por Psyntifik:

Escrito originalmente por neon@stral☼꧁꧂:

Um how is this any different??
Concidering this stick already comes with similar ststem built in and Daigo just modified his own?
With this mixbox you can press Back and d/f at the sane time, how is it pressing b+d/f at the same time dufferent than pressing back and forward at the same time?

Both succesfulky over-ride the cancellation(you inputs should cancel eachother if they contradict directionl inputs) but neither Diago's does that nor the mix box TMMis talking about.

So i don't see how im lying or w/e

The Hitbox Cross Up has an SOCD Cleaner whereas Daigo's box didn't. That's what allowed him do multiple directions at the same time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OcecoQ35Jg

In the video around 5:10 TMM says you can hold back then forward at the same time. So he is either lying, or you are wrong(?) and Hitbox has the exact same properies as Daigos socd stick. Then how is it different?

[Psyntifik]

Escrito originalmente por neon@stral☼꧁꧂:

In the video around 5:10 TMM says you can hold back then forward at the same time. So he is either lying, or you are wrong(?) and Hitbox has the exact same properies as Daigos socd stick. Then how is it different?

You can hold back and forward at the same time, but you will get neutral.
it's different because Daigo wasn't adhering to that rule.

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

Escrito originalmente por Psyntifik:

To reiterate, the actual button presses of the Kaz player TMM is showing here was something like holding F, then tapping d+2. That isn't breaking any laws of inputs. That's how you get d/f on a Hitbox Arcade, or on a D-Pad.

But TMM straight up states that you can dump your finger on back and tap the d/f, not holding F like you say yes that would be legal, but it is said you can essencially hold block while advancing

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

Escrito originalmente por Psyntifik:

Escrito originalmente por neon@stral☼꧁꧂:

In the video around 5:10 TMM says you can hold back then forward at the same time. So he is either lying, or you are wrong(?) and Hitbox has the exact same properies as Daigos socd stick. Then how is it different?

You can hold back and forward at the same time, but you will get neutral.
it's different because Daigo wasn't adhering to that rule.

The thing is because there are no charge characters in t7, this is still OP regardkess. Because even if you get neutural while holding both at the sane time you can still block faster advancing than anyone playing on traditional stick