Tekken 7 144hz monitor wprth it?

[seanjay corleone]

does a 144hz 1ms gaming monitor will be worth it on Tekken 7? im currently using a 4k Tv that has 60hz and a 18ms response time ..
will a 1ms monitor will help improve the input delay on online matches ?

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Originally posted by seanjhay_peligroso:

does a 144hz 1ms gaming monitor will be worth it on Tekken 7?

No because fighting games run fixed at 60fps for reasons related to frame data.

Originally posted by seanjhay_peligroso:

will a 1ms monitor will help improve the input delay on online matches ?

No because 1ms is not input lag, it is the response time - the amount of time a pixel in a display takes to change. This is related to motion blur. The manufactures don't advertise input lag, you have to research reviews.

[PandaSkinner]

no

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no

[HiWATT]

A refresh rate higher than 60Hz isn't needed, but you definitely need a monitor with a 1ms response time. I used to play this game on a monitor with a 4ms response time, and I notice a clear difference when performing combos.

[xunlaiAgent]

Get a monitor that lets you disable v-sync without causing too much tearing. V-sync off reduces display lag by few frames.

Use https://displaylag.com/ to see what monitors have good display lag.

[Enigmatic]

Refresh rate won't matter over 60hz, response time sure.

[Alcratz]

its worth noting that 144hz should eliminate the need for vsync

[seanjay corleone]

so its not my Tv, its the game it self, they said the game it self have a built in input lag even on offline mode.. offline mode input lag its so much smooth for me, im just concern on the input lag when im online line, even on 4 bars signal i still feel the input delay, i just want the respone time exactly on the offline mode, thanks for all of your response..
i think i really need a decent monitor with a 1ms 144hz atleast 1080p so i can have a peace of mind when playing tekken and fps game like call of duty, while my 4k tv is for casual games like shadow of war and other triple A titles ..

[tolga9009]

I'll give you an in-depth answer. First of all, you need to know, that 60Hz means your monitor refreshes 60 times in a second, which means each frame is shown about 16.67ms. Each frame is beeing build from top to bottom.

For example: on a perfect monitor, you might have 0ms input lag on the upper part of the image, but 17ms input lag on the lower part*. Here's a video, so you can better understand what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLg6ocpAn7M

*Sidenote: this is also the reason for tearing. If a new image is beeing sent out to your monitor, while your monitor was busy with building up the previous frame, the lower part will not match the upper part, creating the "tearing" effect. This can be solved by holding back rendered frames using Vsync (which increases input lag) or better methods like FreeSync and Gsync. Or by using a high-refresh monitors on low-FPS games (but more on this later).

Thus even the best 60Hz monitors, delivering the lowest input lag, will have some sort of "input lag" on the lower portion of the image, causing image tearing. What do you do to eliminate tearing? You activate Vsync, so your input delay goes up again. My ASUS VG245HE, which is rated as one of the best 60Hz/75Hz monitors out there (10ms input lag at 60Hz), has about 1 frame of delay with FreeSync activated.

Why are 144Hz monitors better, even for 60Hz content? Because a 144Hz monitor builds up a single frame in about 7ms. Which means, there is no more than 7ms difference between the upper and the lower part of the image. Plus, 144Hz are made only for gaming, thus manufacturers focusing on input delay. The ASUS MG248QR for example has an input lag of only 4ms. Paired with 1ms GTG and 144Hz, this is a whole different level compared to the ASUS VG245HE. Other than that, 144Hz is quite affordable these days.

Now about tearing: whenever a new frame arrives, while your monitor was working on the previous frame, the image will cause a tearing effect (Google up FreeSync). This is more likely to happen, when you have a 60Hz monitor and are running a 60FPS game, than on a 144Hz monitor and running a 60FPS game.

60FPS means, every 16.67ms a new image is generated and 144Hz means, your monitor just needs 7ms to show a complete image. Whenever a new image arrives within that 7ms time frame, you will notice tear. It's not like it will never happen. But it will happen so rarely, that you won't bother / notice. On the other hand, playing 144FPS games on 144Hz without Vsync will produce alot of tear. However, activating Vsync at 144FPS only introduces a maximum of 7ms input delay, which can be ignored in most cases. I'm considering this as the "poor man's Gsync", if you have an Nvidia graphics card and don't want to pay a premium for Gsync.

So yeah, there you have it. 144Hz worth it? Depends on whether you think 1 frame is worth it. For me (competitive scene, streamer), it was. So I got myself an Alienware AW2518HF (240Hz, 5ms Input Lag) for about 300€.

[NurseJoy]

Ignore all of these comments. A 144hz monitor will benefit you in Tekken a little bit in terms of input lag due to the fact that it flickers at double the native framerate of T7. But at the same time you will be subjected to framepacing issues. Aka Jitter because 60FPS doesnt equally divide into 144 refreshes. So you would have to lower the refresh rate to 120hz to satisfy your needs. At the same time though you still may get a jitter due to the fact of your GPU rendering the same frame twice before a new one comes out. The best experience you can have with Tekken 7 with low input lag and the smoothest gameplay is investing in a Gsync or a freesync monitor. For 1440p I recommend the ASUS PG279Q, there are other options though.

Good luck.

*** get a freesync monitor if you have AMD.

[tolga9009]

@NurseJoy: jitter in T7 at 75Hz? Yes, agreed. No jitter at 120Hz, agreed aswell. Jitter at 144Hz? Theoretically yes, real world no. I can tell no difference between 60Hz, 120Hz and 144Hz in terms of jittering. All three refresh rates are smooth. Other than that, pretty much every 144Hz monitor supports either FreeSync or Gsync. Plus, all of them have 10ms or less input lag. You can't go wrong with 144Hz, even blindly buying one.

I agree on the fact though, that Gsync / FreeSync will yield the *best* experience. Nevertheless, Gsync is also the most expensive option with your recommended monitor selling for about 760€. Good Gsync monitors at 1080p are around 450€. You can have almost unnoticable difference in Tekken 7 at around 280€ by going for the ViewSonic XG2402 on an Nvidia setup, or 220€ for the HP Omen 25.

[NurseJoy]

Originally posted by Pride Trooper | tolga9009:

@NurseJoy: jitter in T7 at 75Hz? Yes, agreed. No jitter at 120Hz, agreed aswell. Jitter at 144Hz? Theoretically yes, real world no. I can tell no difference between 60Hz, 120Hz and 144Hz in terms of jittering. All three refresh rates are smooth. Other than that, pretty much every 144Hz monitor supports either FreeSync or Gsync. Plus, all of them have 10ms or less input lag. You can't go wrong with 144Hz, even blindly buying one.

theres no theoriticals though, it does happens. The jitters are due to frame pacing at those refreshes not Vsync. 60FPS does not divide into 144. You can physically see the jitters. Every 144hz monitor that uses Gsnyc or Freesync will put your refresh back to 59/60 to match the FPS anyway. So considering you have Gsync/Freesync enabled on a 144hz monitor, you arent running at 144hz anyway.
https://i.imgur.com/FlDkhBD.png
Just because YOU cant tell the difference, doesnt mean it isnt there. Some people have better eyesight than others. And/or they are more sensitive to things like lag and jitter. You can go wrong with 144hz without Gsync or freesync if u play a 60FPS game.

Also speak for yourself, maybe in Europe technology is expensive but not ehre in america. You can get Gsync monitors for $350 at the cheapest!

[tolga9009]

If you're experiencing jittering issues at 144Hz, just set your monitor to 120Hz and be done... Still unnoticable tearing with Vsync off.

[NurseJoy]

Originally posted by Pride Trooper | tolga9009:

If you're experiencing jittering issues at 144Hz, just set your monitor to 120Hz and be done... Still unnoticable tearing with Vsync off.

It is still noticable, I notice it, and others as well. Again just because YOU don't see it. Doesn't mean it isnt there. Smh.
There are people who test for these things and are dedicated. Check out the blurbusters fourm. You can learn a lot from them
Theres only 2 ways to experience 100% smoothness from a 60FPS locked game. Gsnyc/Freesync or Vsync On (even that sometimes doesnt work due to the flucation of 59, 59.94 and 60FPS) different framerates and frametimes flucating and changing due to the engine but are all considered "60FPS"

[tolga9009]

I guess this topic is too broad. There are too many factors, which may affect the experience, like the graphics card beeing used in terms of frametime etc. I'm very sensitive in these kind of things and am personally playing on FreeSync and also played on various other setups, including Gsync, 120Hz and 144Hz. As I already said: FreeSync and Gsync are the best experiences. Period. However, 120Hz and 144Hz are worth it and come very close, if money is a concern and you still want the second best experience. I guess everyone needs to find it out for themselves, whether they can live with 120Hz / 144Hz or need to go the full road.

I'm stopping here, as discussion doesn't make sense at this point, without even knowing which graphics card the thread author is using. We just know he's gaming on a 4K TV (Vsync on / off?) and he looks for something better (which shouldn't be too difficult).

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Originally posted by NurseJoy:

Theres only 2 ways to experience 100% smoothness from a 60FPS locked game. Gsnyc/Freesync or Vsync On (even that sometimes doesnt work due to the flucation of 59, 59.94 and 60FPS) different framerates and frametimes flucating and changing due to the engine but are all considered "60FPS"

Vsync on alone won't yield you a smooth game. It will prevent tearing at the cost of input lag, but 60FPS Vsync on will still jitter on e.g. 75Hz.