Claudio not so easy

[pablonesmrtelny]

I just started playing Claudio thinking I will cut through people easily but he seems to be one of the harder characters lol.

He has no mixups and no lows. It is a big deal for my playstyle.

It might be just that I don't use the hopkick well but still he is nowhere near so easy to play as general opinion might say.

All he has are great mids - even crushing and tracking but still they are single mids. All opponent has to do is to wait for the mid and then mix me up.

Also he doesn't have a SINGLE safe mid launcher - not even on CH.

[pablonesmrtelny]

I am thinking maybe he should be played in mishima style - very spacing and punishment based?

[$HODAN]

i wouldn't say that claudio is one of the harder characters. but his toolset is definitly lacking. his lack of lows and mix-up's are balanced by his insane spacing game. moves like f3 and the like are very strong for claudio. and starburst is very good for shifting momentum

[PaperzMask]

picked up claudio, hit ranked without practice, during waiting period of ranked just practiced his few juggles,

Reached Fighter with 32 wins

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by 1 3 0:

i wouldn't say that claudio is one of the harder characters. but his toolset is definitly lacking. his lack of lows and mix-up's are balanced by his insane spacing game. moves like f3 and the like are very strong for claudio. and starburst is very good for shifting momentum

That is what I think.

His mids are rangy and overall TOP tier so its hard to just approach and attack Claudio but if I actually want to make something happen while opponent is waiting I feel kind of helpless.

The only things claudio can do against turtling opponent are a throw or SS4 low which doesnt highcrush, doesnt KND and is pretty slow. (db3 is just too slow and its suicide against good players).

[天]

Claudio is for braindead people thats all XD looka t themainmanswe. Only mishima player. Pick up claudio and get genbu in one stream (not a long one btw)

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by Adrian:

Claudio is for braindead people thats all XD looka t themainmanswe. Only mishima player. Pick up claudio and get genbu in one stream (not a long one btw)

1) He is not only a mishima player. He has a bunch of characters in red ranks.
2) It took him way over hundred of games to get to genbu with Claudio - it took him HALF of that to get to genbu with Steve (if I remember correctly). How braindead do you think Steve is?

It doesn't mean a lot that a youtuber making a living off playing Tekken is doing well with a character.

As I mentioned earlier for example I struggle with Claudio. Its pretty easy to beat agressive opponents with the hopkick and other super solid mids but careful opponents are a problem.

[天]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Originally posted by Adrian:

Claudio is for braindead people thats all XD looka t themainmanswe. Only mishima player. Pick up claudio and get genbu in one stream (not a long one btw)

1) He is not only a mishima player. He has a bunch of characters in red ranks.
2) It took him way over hundred of games to get to genbu with Claudio - it took him HALF of that to get to genbu with Steve (if I remember correctly). How braindead do you think Steve is?

It doesn't mean a lot that a youtuber making a living off playing Tekken is doing well with a character.

As I mentioned earlier for example I struggle with Claudio. Its pretty easy to beat agressive opponents with the hopkick and other super solid mids but careful opponents are a problem.

he plays A LOT of steve in TT2 thats why. He knows steve. Claudio is a new charackter and he from nothing take genbu in only one stream so you are not right

[天]

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Originally posted by Adrian:

Claudio is for braindead people thats all XD looka t themainmanswe. Only mishima player. Pick up claudio and get genbu in one stream (not a long one btw)

1) He is not only a mishima player. He has a bunch of characters in red ranks.
2) It took him way over hundred of games to get to genbu with Claudio - it took him HALF of that to get to genbu with Steve (if I remember correctly). How braindead do you think Steve is?

It doesn't mean a lot that a youtuber making a living off playing Tekken is doing well with a character.

As I mentioned earlier for example I struggle with Claudio. Its pretty easy to beat agressive opponents with the hopkick and other super solid mids but careful opponents are a problem. [/quote

Originally posted by pablonesmrtelny:

Originally posted by Adrian:

Claudio is for braindead people thats all XD looka t themainmanswe. Only mishima player. Pick up claudio and get genbu in one stream (not a long one btw)

1) He is not only a mishima player. He has a bunch of characters in red ranks.
2) It took him way over hundred of games to get to genbu with Claudio - it took him HALF of that to get to genbu with Steve (if I remember correctly). How braindead do you think Steve is?

It doesn't mean a lot that a youtuber making a living off playing Tekken is doing well with a character.

As I mentioned earlier for example I struggle with Claudio. Its pretty easy to beat agressive opponents with the hopkick and other super solid mids but careful opponents are a problem.

No one of the mishima players play only mishima charackters dude :/

[pablonesmrtelny]

He played like 150 games in one stream?

Anyway. As I said - good for TMM to have another one of many others in red ranks...

I'm sure JDCR is also great with Claudio.

Unfortunately this doesn't seem to affect my gameplay :)

What is your rank with Claudio?

[Parabolic Arc]

You can pressure denfensive opponents with WR2. Just don't make it obvious that you are doing a WR2, so don't do it when he is running across the screen. If you can do it instantly from close range then your opponent shouldn't duck it unless you get predictable, which you can then use mids such as hopkick or ff4 which is -5 on block so you can sidestep any retaliations.

A blocked WR2 gives mix ups as it's +7 on block. Follow ups include:

4,3 or df2 if you are certain your opponent is gonna mash.
df3 is a safe mid option to throw out which can not be interrupted or stepped. You can also easily hit confirm df3 into df3,1 for good damage.
SS4 and d3 for the low options if your opponent turtles up.
iWR2, uf2 (+9 on block), f4 (+2~+3 on block) are other moves to consider for pressure and plus frames if your opponent turtles.

uf2 is pretty dirty at the wall as it wallsplats and is +9 on block. But it's has bad range and pushback on block, so it's best to use it when your opponent has their back to the wall. uf2 into b1 is uninterruptable and can not be stepped, (similar to Wang's SS1+2 into f3). So once your opponent respects this you can go for SS4 which gives plus frames on hit.

[Michelle Wong]

All set now?

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by Parabolic Arc:

You can pressure denfensive opponents with WR2. Just don't make it obvious that you are doing a WR2, so don't do it when he is running across the screen. If you can do it instantly from close range then your opponent shouldn't duck it unless you get predictable, which you can then use mids such as hopkick or ff4 which is -5 on block so you can sidestep any retaliations.

A blocked WR2 gives mix ups as it's +7 on block. Follow ups include:

4,3 or df2 if you are certain your opponent is gonna mash.
df3 is a safe mid option to throw out which can not be interrupted or stepped. You can also easily hit confirm df3 into df3,1 for good damage.
SS4 and d3 for the low options if your opponent turtles up.
iWR2, uf2 (+9 on block), f4 (+2~+3 on block) are other moves to consider for pressure and plus frames if your opponent turtles.

uf2 is pretty dirty at the wall as it wallsplats and is +9 on block. But it's has bad range and pushback on block, so it's best to use it when your opponent has their back to the wall. uf2 into b1 is uninterruptable and can not be stepped, (similar to Wang's SS1+2 into f3). So once your opponent respects this you can go for SS4 which gives plus frames on hit.

thx for great advices! :)

I do try to utilize most of you mentioned. But I totally underused the pressure tools!
fff2, uf3 and f4.

Thanks for the uf2 trick. I didn't use the move since it looked too slow and short ranged but it does work when I make opponent fear my f3/uf4.

I also dont use the df3,1 string at all. It can be SSL though but still with b4,2 its a must-use.

Also the d3 have proven to be WAY better than I expected. It looked dangerous and unrewarding but its solid.

the SS4 still gives me trouble but I use it after frametraps or on jab hit or when I see that opponent waits for my mid.

[Parabolic Arc]

Try using the SS4 when you block a move where your opponent isn't likely to attack or move after, for example if you block a move which like -6 to -9. Also try to make the sidestep as small as possible so the move is not telegraphed by the sidestep.

[ᛉᛏneon@stralᚨᛉ]

Originally posted by Adrian:

he plays A LOT of steve in TT2 thats why.

Im just gonna call bs on this real quick, SWE dropped steve in Tekken 5, he played Steve in TAG 1, not TT2.

[pablonesmrtelny]

Originally posted by Parabolic Arc:

Try using the SS4 when you block a move where your opponent isn't likely to attack or move after, for example if you block a move which like -6 to -9. Also try to make the sidestep as small as possible so the move is not telegraphed by the sidestep.

I'm only in lowly green/yellow ranks so I don't have that luxury of counting on opponent's reasonable plays :D

But you are absolutely correct. I will do so when I see that opp is not trying to mash his way into my defence.

genbu incoming ;)