Can never punish anything

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I can never punish anyone after successful block with simple launcher. They always block it but they always launch me..

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♥♥♥♥ this ♥♥♥♥. I'm so annoyed with everyone blocking everything waiting for launchers. Can no one play normally. Ughbbb

This is the normal way to play tekken. Tekken is an extremely defensive FG

If you don't leave yourself open, you don't get launched so much

But how am I supposed to get through their defense?

How is it fun not doing anything but launchers and spamming the same combo.

I swear if I meet someone 2ho is blocking everything again I'll stand far not doing anything until the timer runs out.

It wasn't like this before. Sure I met stronger players, but now I meet people with low win numbers. Even the same people on higher ranks and their win info gets lower.

[Alcratz]

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This is the normal way to play tekken. Tekken is an extremely defensive FG

If you don't leave yourself open, you don't get launched so much

But how am I supposed to get through their defense?

How is it fun not doing anything but launchers and spamming the same combo.

I swear if I meet someone 2ho is blocking everything again I'll stand far not doing anything until the timer runs out.

It wasn't like this before. Sure I met stronger players, but now I meet people with low win numbers. Even the same people on higher ranks and their win info gets lower.

you got to usurper with alisa without even knowing how to do a mixup? and people say asuka is retarded

if someone is blocking your moves, youre suppose to apply mixups. obviously, if theyre stand blocking, a mid or high attack is never going to hit them. you need to do other things, like throws and lows, or delay your moves in clever ways to lure them into attacking only for you to CH them. if you do big lows or throw a lot and condition them to crouch, mids will hit them

this is literally one of the most essential aspects of any fighting game. you cant just throw out moves until they work, or rely solely on little damage pokes here and there

[pablonesmrtelny]

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True but you could say the same for shaheen, claudio, eddy (you mentioned him), paul, katarina,...etc.

Usurper is still a respectable rank imho.

Of course! You don't get that rank without doing many things right.

But I'd say it's a bit different with claudio, shaheen, katarina and paul. They are still more "traditional" and can all be defended against in kind of similar way. They all rely on close-combat combos more than alisa, at least until people start countering her dash/pushback moves.

And all of those keep their feet on the ground and stay in standing position a lot more than alisa or eddy. Well unless the player has some really funky playing style.

Ok.... I think you are somehow right 😂

[nssBoB]

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I took a look at it it says this 1,1 attack on block has - 3 frames. Should I be able to punish almost everything with it?
It's not a launcher though. This crouch 2 launcher has - 12~-14frMes.when is it safe to use? On low block?.
Then there is df2 a basic launcher I think.
I play aLisa-_- I have over 750 wins, I never bothered to learn the frame rates.
It's just I was usurper rank and now I'm only vanguard since everyone is waiting for an opening to spam their launchers and aerial combos. No other attacks just aerials.

Usurper without even looking at the frame data and not knowing how to punish?

Wow...

Seems like youll be pretty good after you fill the weak points in your game. Gl.

to reach usurper you need one skill: backdash into your fastest launcher

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you got to usurper with alisa without even knowing how to do a mixup?

Yep. I didn't do mix-ups until I started to lose a lot and lost usurper.
I didn't spam anything either I was trying to use all my moves when I could.
The thing is I only know one mixup - 1,2,1+2.
Most people can block it now even if it's mid mid low
I feel like other characters have more.

[Jim]

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Yep. I didn't do mix-ups until I started to lose a lot and lost usurper.
I didn't spam anything either I was trying to use all my moves when I could.
The thing is I only know one mixup - 1,2,1+2.
Most people can block it now even if it's mid mid low
I feel like other characters have more.

It's not so much about "using all my moves when I could" but using moves appropriate to the situation with proper risk/reward consideration..

Learn the use of your moves instead of just "doing" moves. If people block Alisa's sweep on reaction. You can get launched for it. So perhaps don't use it as often?

1,2,1+2 is a string and NOT a mix up. A mix up are two moves or string variation that that cover each others downside. Alisa's sweep and hopkick would be a very basic mix up in concept.

Alisa has a ♥♥♥♥ ton of keep out and poking tools. She has just as much options as any other character.

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Yep. I didn't do mix-ups until I started to lose a lot and lost usurper.
I didn't spam anything either I was trying to use all my moves when I could.
The thing is I only know one mixup - 1,2,1+2.
Most people can block it now even if it's mid mid low
I feel like other characters have more.

It's not so much about "using all my moves when I could" but using moves appropriate to the situation with proper risk/reward consideration..

Learn the use of your moves instead of just "doing" moves. If people block Alisa's sweep on reaction. You can get launched for it. So perhaps don't use it as often?

1,2,1+2 is a string and NOT a mix up. A mix up are two moves or string variation that that cover each others downside. Alisa's sweep and hopkick would be a very basic mix up in concept.

Alisa has a ♥♥♥♥ ton of keep out and poking tools. She has just as much options as any other character.

Which sweep do you mean. f3+4 or d4?

[Anntsi]

It's you who's been playing alisa in the most horrible way against me several times! The game doesn't show your name so I didn't recognize it at first but it's you.

No wonder you lost your rank if you play like that. You can barely beat me and I haven't even looked at alisa's move list.

[Renka]

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It's you who's been playing alisa in the most horrible way against me several times! The game doesn't show your name so I didn't recognize it at first but it's you.

No wonder you lost your rank if you play like that. You can barely beat me and I haven't even looked at alisa's move list.

Did you meet him in ranked or quickmatch ?

[Anntsi]

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It's you who's been playing alisa in the most horrible way against me several times! The game doesn't show your name so I didn't recognize it at first but it's you.

No wonder you lost your rank if you play like that. You can barely beat me and I haven't even looked at alisa's move list.

Did you meet him in ranked or quickmatch ?

Ranked. And I'm not here to talk trash, I lost. It was fair. His playing style just... pretty much staying away, opponent tries to get closer, pick one of alisa's dash moves and hope they hit. Not even trying to block lows. I mean every time I got close I could pick any low attack feng has and it would hit. Stuff like 3,3,4 or d/b+2.

[Makaveli]

tfw your day 1 gimmicks stop working

[Prismatic Lollipop]

im also Alisa and also Vanguard at the moment.

what alot of people here are missing, is the fact that Alisa doesnt have many ''punishers'' to begin with.
adding the fact that Alisa is easily punishable herself, makes things very difficult.

[tizeY]

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♥♥♥♥ this ♥♥♥♥. I'm so annoyed with everyone blocking everything waiting for launchers. Can no one play normally. Ughbbb

This is the normal way to play tekken. Tekken is an extremely defensive FG

If you don't leave yourself open, you don't get launched so much

no the normal way to play tekken if complaining about Blocking is to learn bryan and spend quality time on learning the taunt timing and successfully canceling into "free dmg" after abusing +frames

[Turtle.]

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im also Alisa and also Vanguard at the moment.

what alot of people here are missing, is the fact that Alisa doesnt have many ''punishers'' to begin with.
adding the fact that Alisa is easily punishable herself, makes things very difficult.

standing:
10f -11f: 1,1 or 1,2
12f: 2,4 or df4
13f: 4 (use 2,4 if in range)
14f: f3,2
15f: uf4,4
16f: df2 (use uf4,4 if in range)

crouching:
10f fc d+1
11f ws+4
13f ws+1,2
15f uf+4,4

Tekken zaibatsu discord. She has very good punishers for everything except of -11f standing, for which some characters got awesome block punish (Miguel's 2,1 for example is 11f block punish and deals 27dmg).

Alisa has a good set of gimmicks too, many of those are safe on block or unreadable lows.

[Prismatic Lollipop]

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im also Alisa and also Vanguard at the moment.

what alot of people here are missing, is the fact that Alisa doesnt have many ''punishers'' to begin with.
adding the fact that Alisa is easily punishable herself, makes things very difficult.

standing:
10f -11f: 1,1 or 1,2
12f: 2,4 or df4
13f: 4 (use 2,4 if in range)
14f: f3,2
15f: uf4,4
16f: df2 (use uf4,4 if in range)

crouching:
10f fc d+1
11f ws+4
13f ws+1,2
15f uf+4,4

Tekken zaibatsu discord. She has very good punishers for everything except of -11f standing, for which some characters got awesome block punish (Miguel's 2,1 for example is 11f block punish and deals 27dmg).

Alisa has a good set of gimmicks too, many of those are safe on block or unreadable lows.

my 1,1 is often countered, even though i use it to punish.
its almost laughable, really.
1,2,2 is also parried, even though 1,2 hits, which is kinda strange.
i also noticed that Claudio has this power punch that hits high, mid, low and even hits when sidestepped.
its not easy to learn every match up, or to come up with counters or punishes.
im having difficulties especially with Heihachi, Lars and Jozie.