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Frankly, I'm surprised that Baseball Mogul has lasted this long. OOTPB is a complete baseball sim.
PC Gamer says Baseball Mogul is "the best baseball game". However, PC Gamer is PC Gamer. OOTPB is played by real-world MLB players, managers, and owners.
There's nothing keeping you from owning and playing both games, but without an arcade baseball game to anchor Baseball Mogul, I don't see how it could top OOTPB. Of course OOTPB doesn't have arcade baseball, but it's so good, it doesn't need arcade baseball.
I'm pretty sure Mogul was one of the influences on Markus Heinsohn, the lead dev for OOTPB. That and Radio Baseball, Strat-O-Mat, and the early games like Earl Weaver and Tony La Russa Baseball. So Mogul is a baseball sim pioneer and as such I have respect for it, but I don't for one minute think it's kept up with OOTPB.
However, this is just my biased opinion. Someone may come along later and debunk it, or agree with it.
Baseball Mogul is certainly "lighter" on the simulation aspect.
Have tried both for years. OOTP "should" be the more in depth "better" simulation, but I think the player ratings are mostly wrong.
Played as the Tigers a few years ago, and the ratings were just terrible as opposed to reality. Verlander could not get many strikeouts (this was in his prime in real life), Cabrera was just an average power hitter by their stats.
So, your mileage may vary with either game. Both are fun in their own way. But neither is great, imho.
Nice of you to shot it respect. Doesn't really tell me much about the differences, though. :P
@Ahil
Yes, I imagined that it would/should be a bit lighter and maybe easier. Would you say that it is easier for newcomers?
I have interest in Management games and I only know the basic rules of Baseball. Maybe it's the better pick-up for me?
Also, how come you think that OOTP is not great? Just because of the ratings?
The recent games, starting from 14, including 15 and now with 16, have been basically called "perfect".
OOTP is the far superior game -- for reasons that are far too numerous to list. If you have specific questions about comparisons, I'll check back and answer them.
I don't mean to say OOTP is not "good" or "better", just I think there are problems in both still.
if just starting, $10 seems like a good entry price point.
I've played Mogul for over 1000 hours and I've played OOTP for about 2000 hours; I think I have a pretty good handle on both games and I'm about as unbiased of an opinion that you'll get.
I did enjoy Mogul when I played it, but I had never heard of OOTP and had no frame of reference to compare the two at the time. OOTP is vastly better game. To simply say that 'there are problems in both' is a poor comparison of the two games in my opinion.
As for the price-point, Mogul is certainly cheaper compared to OOTP. Is it a better value than OOTP? In my opinion it's not.
As I said, I did enjoy playing Mogul. I really don't have anything bad to say about the game except when comparing it to OOTP. Knowing what I know about both games from first-hand experience I would not buy Mogul for $10. That's not to say that the game isn't worth $10 ... it's just that OOTP is vastly superior game, a vastly superior gaming experience, and a vastly superior value for the money.
My point is neither is perfect, that's all.
The on field a.i. has gotten a lot better over the years.
It's the off field managerial/owenership a.i. that will be a problem for the forseeable future. There are too many human random elements in real life, at all levels of management/ownership/players, that is difficult if not impossible to model properly.
There are not enough "fuzzy logic" elements in each level to make it feel "real".
A computer a.i. will often, if not always only offer trades that are great for them. In real life, there are considerations at ownership, G.M., manager, and player levels. Do I make a big trade for a 1 year rent a player to try to make playoffs, etc.
That's all I'm saying.
Enjoy whichever you choose.
I AM going to buy Mogul 2015 but that's because I buy any statistical baseball game. :) Anyhow, let's compare!
OOTP is the only text based sim that is officially endorsed by Major League Baseball. That it in itself is quite an accomplishment when you consider that much older and more established sims like Diamond Mind, APBA, and Strat O Matic still do not have that endorsement. So, out of the box you have access without mods or addons of official MLB rosters and logos for the current season in OOTP. For BBM, you have download logos for all years and rosters for the current season.
OOTP's engine is VERY deep and the game is profoundly more customizable. In OOTP you can play 19th century baseball; BBM starts in 1901 with the birth of the American League. For many people this isn't an issue but I prefer to play in the 19th century as well as the Dead Ball Era which spans from 1893 to 1920.
OOTP includes other leagues in addition to American Major League Baseball thus reflecting the game's growing global popularity. OOTP is strictly confined to MLB.
Both allow you to create fictional leagues with fictional players which is a real challenge but I prefer to replay actual seasons.
BBM has better sound effects and at this point better animation. That being said, OOTP is incrementally establishing an amazing 3D model of play that will eventually include on field player animations!
BBM is much easier to get into in terms of starting a league and jumping in. If you've never played a baseball text based sim, then BBM is probably the better choice but if you don't mind taking some time getting to grips with a LOT of menus and myriad choices then OOTP IS the better game.
One of BBM's strong points however is the ability to jump in and just play. There are times when I want to do just that and BBM scratches that itch.
I would say that OOTP is ultimately THE best baseball text based sim out there but BBM is a steal at 9.99
I just read your review of OOTP 16, and it's very good (I rated it as 'helpful). I would encourage Zankman to read your review.
As you mentioned in your review, they've made the interface 'accessible to the casual fan while simultaneusly meeting the stringent demands of hardcore fans like myself.' I think you're correct; I don't think a person new to baseball would have any more problems playing OOTP than a person that's not familar with soccer/football playing the game Football Manager.
@Zankman
Maybe you should post on the OOTP forums to get some comparisons too. Additionally, you can check out other posts by people new-to-the-game in order to see what kind of learning curve they had before you make your decision.
Ultimately, if I do get into a baseball sim, I imagine it would just be better to go for the better game - I will have issues starting and it will take a while to get a grip on this either way, so, maybe OOTP is better.
Granted you really can't go wrong with either game and its good to see Mogul on Steam finally. Now if they would bring 'Diamond' over instead of a year old game...
Kain, I have nothing against Mogul. I've played it a bunch. There is no question in my mind though that OOTP blows it away. I've never done the online league thing though, so I cannot offer a comparison in that respect.
Actually we've been trying to get Diamond on Steam for about 5 months now, but each game has to be voted through Steam Greenlight in order to be sold within the Steam store. So if you'd like to see the newest version of the Mogul series brought to the store, be sure to vote on it in Steam Greenlight.
Baseball Mogul 2015 actually took 364 days to publish through Greenlight to get onto the Steam store, so tell your friends to vote Diamond up if you'd like to see it on sooner, rather than later.