Five Nights at Freddy's 4

Five Nights at Freddy's 4

Mandizeen Aug 28, 2015 @ 7:55am
Why 'The bite of 83' is wrong
Before the game was released we got teasers, and their sourcecodes were spammed with 8s and 7s. The sentence "was it me" could be found on all the animatronics' teasers, and I'm 98,72% sure that the question actually means "Was it me [who did the bite]?" What else could it mean?
In the last phone call in Fnaf3, phone guy says "Remember to smile, you are the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza." That means that the springlock suits existed after Fredbears Diner.
In Fnaf2 (I think it was 2, correct me if I'm wrong (EDIT: It's Fnaf3, gosh, I'm really stupid...) phone guy tells you that an incident happend regarding the springlock suits, on a sisterlocation. That's why you can't see Fredbear or springbonnie in Fnaf2, because you're not the nightguard on the sisterlocation, but the Bite of 87 most likely happend there.
And now that Scott himself even says that we are kind of overanalyzing things*, and that the story is right in front of our eyes, why do people still belive that the bite of 83 exists?

*the year 1983 seen on the TV


oh, and btw, please ignore my somewhat bad grammar :3
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TheAuditor24 Aug 28, 2015 @ 9:56am 
Maybe we're playing as the one who caused The Bite of '87. There's a lot of proof showing Foxy did it, but it couldn't be Foxy, because otherwise the withered animatronics would have never been reformatted, which means Toy Foxy a.k.a. Mangle did it. Mangle is seen "broken" in Mangle's Quest and in FNAF 4, and in Mangle's Quest, we gotta "put it back together", which is also Mangle's purpose as a toy for kids. The coma child is reffered by the Puppet (or whoever is talking to the coma child in the night 6 cutscene, can't be Plushbear a.k.a. how i like to call the Fredbear plushie, because the font is a lighter color) as being "broken". The Puppet also says that he/she will "put him back together". Mangle and the coma child have similar traits, don't you think? The coma child got bitten as well, and with all the hype regarding The Bite of '87, i'm pretty sure Mangle is posessed by the coma child.
Botahamec Aug 28, 2015 @ 10:03am 
Originally posted by Mandizeen:
Before the game was released we got teasers, and their sourcecodes were spammed with 8s and 7s. The sentence "was it me" could be found on all the animatronics' teasers, and I'm 98,72% sure that the question actually means "Was it me [who did the bite]?" What else could it mean?
In the last phone call in Fnaf3, phone guy says "Remember to smile, you are the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza." That means that the springlock suits existed after Fredbears Diner.
In Fnaf2 (I think it was 2, correct me if I'm wrong) phone guy tells you that an incident happend regarding the springlock suits, on a sisterlocation. That's why you can't see Fredbear or springbonnie in Fnaf2, because you're not the nightguard on the sisterlocation, but the Bite of 87 most likely happend there.
And now that Scott himself even says that we are kind of overanalyzing things*, and that the story is right in front of our eyes, why do people still belive that the bite of 83 exists?

*the year 1983 seen on the TV


oh, and btw, please ignore my somewhat bad grammar :3
Why would there be problems with springlock suits in one location but not the others?

Why would the year 1983 be on the TV?

Why would Fredbear be a thing in 1987 when Phone Guy can barely remember the name?

Why would a commercial be rerun?

If it wasn't a commercial, why would Scott tell us that a show is being rerun? It's such a small detail!

Why does the kid die after the bite if the Phone Guy said "he survived"?

Where did you see him say we're ovethinking things?

Why is the year being shown not a valid argument?

And like tou said, the year is right in front of you. Why are you overthinking and saying that it might be a rerun?
TheSuperjohn702 (Banned) Aug 28, 2015 @ 2:45pm 
Dont forget the 87 In foxy's eye and the fact that the kid with the foxy mask was right infront of it witnessing the bite of 87
Rydi Aug 28, 2015 @ 3:27pm 
If you can't tell which phone calls are from which game without looking it up, you haven't really overanalyzed the game xD Phone guy tells you about the incident with the springlock suits on the phone calls Phone Dude plays for you in FNAF 3.

However, those messages were recorded BEFORE FNAF 2 and from what I've gathered so far, chances are high that restaurant was open at the same time as Fredbear's Family Diner in FNAF 4. So in FNAF 4 we'd have Fredbear's Family Diner with Spring Bonnie and Fredbear and Freddy Fazbear's Pizza with Spring Bonnie and Golden Freddy as hybrid suits and the main four animatronics (non hybrid animatronics).

The sister location mentioned by Phone Guy is Fredbear's Family Diner and exists at the same time as Freddy Fazbear's Pizza (where the recordings of FNAF 3 were created). The spring lock incidents happened at Fredbear's, that's why it's mentioned as a "sister location" and since the hybrid suits were decommissioned soon after that, they never made the cut to appear in FNAF 2.

In fact, the murderer used one of the suits to lure the children and kill them and from what Phone Guy says "Management has also been made aware that the spring Bonnie animatronic has been noticeably moved. We would like to remind employees that this costume is not safe to wear under any circumstances." the murderer most likely used Spring Bonnie to commit the crimes. Management probably found out that the murders had been committed in the saferoom by someone using a hybrid suit and decided to board the saferoom up to hide the evidence and prevent the pizzeria from being closed for good. So with Spring Bonnie locked up in the saferoom, he never made it to FNAF 2.

The bite of 87 happened in the 7th night of FNAF 2, with Jeremy being the most likely candidate since he was asked to stay close to the animatronics to make sure they didn't hurt anyone. Phone guy made it a point to mention that the animatronics only acted aggressive towards the staff but they interacted with the kids just fine, which further proves that the bite of 87 victim was an adult not a child. We also know the victim of the bite lived, not survived but lived.

Scott knew we'd be stalking the source code on his website like there was no tomorrow, that's why he included all the 87s. To trick us into believing the game would be about the bite of 87. Scott likes playing with us to see if we will be able to see the bigger picture and not just accept whatever we think he's hinting at. Other teasers featured more cryptic texts saying "Property of Fredbear's Family Diner" (which, by the way, had been closed for years in FNAF 2), Fredbear's stomach had a text saying "Protect me", the source code of the website using a colour code of #ee82ee which is the colour pink/purple of the pink guy/purple man and the 82 being a reference to the year in which the game happens. There was another thing on the website reading "2093" and if you substract 1 from each number you get "1982", the year the game takes place in. The commercial on the TV is probably a teaser trailer for the upcoming movie or the new season of the show Fredbear & Friends that's coming out the following year in 1983.
TheAuditor24 Aug 29, 2015 @ 3:03am 
Originally posted by Rydi:
If you can't tell which phone calls are from which game without looking it up, you haven't really overanalyzed the game xD Phone guy tells you about the incident with the springlock suits on the phone calls Phone Dude plays for you in FNAF 3.

However, those messages were recorded BEFORE FNAF 2 and from what I've gathered so far, chances are high that restaurant was open at the same time as Fredbear's Family Diner in FNAF 4. So in FNAF 4 we'd have Fredbear's Family Diner with Spring Bonnie and Fredbear and Freddy Fazbear's Pizza with Spring Bonnie and Golden Freddy as hybrid suits and the main four animatronics (non hybrid animatronics).

The sister location mentioned by Phone Guy is Fredbear's Family Diner and exists at the same time as Freddy Fazbear's Pizza (where the recordings of FNAF 3 were created). The spring lock incidents happened at Fredbear's, that's why it's mentioned as a "sister location" and since the hybrid suits were decommissioned soon after that, they never made the cut to appear in FNAF 2.

In fact, the murderer used one of the suits to lure the children and kill them and from what Phone Guy says "Management has also been made aware that the spring Bonnie animatronic has been noticeably moved. We would like to remind employees that this costume is not safe to wear under any circumstances." the murderer most likely used Spring Bonnie to commit the crimes. Management probably found out that the murders had been committed in the saferoom by someone using a hybrid suit and decided to board the saferoom up to hide the evidence and prevent the pizzeria from being closed for good. So with Spring Bonnie locked up in the saferoom, he never made it to FNAF 2.

The bite of 87 happened in the 7th night of FNAF 2, with Jeremy being the most likely candidate since he was asked to stay close to the animatronics to make sure they didn't hurt anyone. Phone guy made it a point to mention that the animatronics only acted aggressive towards the staff but they interacted with the kids just fine, which further proves that the bite of 87 victim was an adult not a child. We also know the victim of the bite lived, not survived but lived.

Scott knew we'd be stalking the source code on his website like there was no tomorrow, that's why he included all the 87s. To trick us into believing the game would be about the bite of 87. Scott likes playing with us to see if we will be able to see the bigger picture and not just accept whatever we think he's hinting at. Other teasers featured more cryptic texts saying "Property of Fredbear's Family Diner" (which, by the way, had been closed for years in FNAF 2), Fredbear's stomach had a text saying "Protect me", the source code of the website using a colour code of #ee82ee which is the colour pink/purple of the pink guy/purple man and the 82 being a reference to the year in which the game happens. There was another thing on the website reading "2093" and if you substract 1 from each number you get "1982", the year the game takes place in. The commercial on the TV is probably a teaser trailer for the upcoming movie or the new season of the show Fredbear & Friends that's coming out the following year in 1983.

The sister location can't be the Diner. Phone Guy mentioned that the Diner was closed for a long time. I have a theory on the forums about the whole timeline. Check it out.
Rydi Aug 29, 2015 @ 6:52am 
Originally posted by Lupus_Dominus:
Originally posted by Rydi:
If you can't tell which phone calls are from which game without looking it up, you haven't really overanalyzed the game xD Phone guy tells you about the incident with the springlock suits on the phone calls Phone Dude plays for you in FNAF 3.

However, those messages were recorded BEFORE FNAF 2 and from what I've gathered so far, chances are high that restaurant was open at the same time as Fredbear's Family Diner in FNAF 4. So in FNAF 4 we'd have Fredbear's Family Diner with Spring Bonnie and Fredbear and Freddy Fazbear's Pizza with Spring Bonnie and Golden Freddy as hybrid suits and the main four animatronics (non hybrid animatronics).

The sister location mentioned by Phone Guy is Fredbear's Family Diner and exists at the same time as Freddy Fazbear's Pizza (where the recordings of FNAF 3 were created). The spring lock incidents happened at Fredbear's, that's why it's mentioned as a "sister location" and since the hybrid suits were decommissioned soon after that, they never made the cut to appear in FNAF 2.

In fact, the murderer used one of the suits to lure the children and kill them and from what Phone Guy says "Management has also been made aware that the spring Bonnie animatronic has been noticeably moved. We would like to remind employees that this costume is not safe to wear under any circumstances." the murderer most likely used Spring Bonnie to commit the crimes. Management probably found out that the murders had been committed in the saferoom by someone using a hybrid suit and decided to board the saferoom up to hide the evidence and prevent the pizzeria from being closed for good. So with Spring Bonnie locked up in the saferoom, he never made it to FNAF 2.

The bite of 87 happened in the 7th night of FNAF 2, with Jeremy being the most likely candidate since he was asked to stay close to the animatronics to make sure they didn't hurt anyone. Phone guy made it a point to mention that the animatronics only acted aggressive towards the staff but they interacted with the kids just fine, which further proves that the bite of 87 victim was an adult not a child. We also know the victim of the bite lived, not survived but lived.

Scott knew we'd be stalking the source code on his website like there was no tomorrow, that's why he included all the 87s. To trick us into believing the game would be about the bite of 87. Scott likes playing with us to see if we will be able to see the bigger picture and not just accept whatever we think he's hinting at. Other teasers featured more cryptic texts saying "Property of Fredbear's Family Diner" (which, by the way, had been closed for years in FNAF 2), Fredbear's stomach had a text saying "Protect me", the source code of the website using a colour code of #ee82ee which is the colour pink/purple of the pink guy/purple man and the 82 being a reference to the year in which the game happens. There was another thing on the website reading "2093" and if you substract 1 from each number you get "1982", the year the game takes place in. The commercial on the TV is probably a teaser trailer for the upcoming movie or the new season of the show Fredbear & Friends that's coming out the following year in 1983.

The sister location can't be the Diner. Phone Guy mentioned that the Diner was closed for a long time. I have a theory on the forums about the whole timeline. Check it out.

First, you can't expect me to locate a post of yours in this immense forum. You should at least link it to me if you truly expect me to read it.

Second, they ARE sister locations. The Freddy Fazbear's Pizza that had the spring bonnie and spring freddy/golden freddy suits as well as the main four animatronics was open BEFORE FNAF 2, it was open at the same time as Fredbear's Family Diner. That's why your argument that Fredbear's was closed makes no sense, because the events I'm talking about happened MANY years BEFORE FNAF 2 even opened its doors. Therefore, when FNAF 2 starts, both Freddy's pizzeria and Fredbear's diner had been closed for years.

Originally posted by Phone Guy - FNAF 3 Night 4:
After learning of an unfortunate incident at the sister location, involving multiple and simultaneous spring lock failures, the company has deemed the suits temporarily unfit for employees. Safety is our top priority at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, which is why the classic suits are being retired to an appropriate location, while being looked at by our technician.

The unfortunate incident was most likely the one with Fredbear and the child. The sister location mentioned by Phone Guy is Fredbear's Family Diner. The classic suits in Freddy Fazbear's Pizza are the hybrid suits: Spring Bonnie and Golden Freddy (Spring Bonnie and Fredbear in Fredbear's Family Diner) and the non-classic suits are the only-animatronic cast: Freddy, Foxy, Chica and Bonnie. This Freddy Fazbear's Pizza is the place where the five children are murdered and haunt the animatronics for the first time. This happens before FNAF 2.

TL;DR: the sister location mentioned by phone guy as well as the pizzeria Phone guy is working in the recordings we hear in FNAF 3 were running years before FNAF 2, and the sister location IS Fredbear's Family Diner. FNAF 4 happens in 1982/1983 not in 1987.
wifeburger Aug 29, 2015 @ 7:19am 
If this took place BEFORE Five Nights at Freddy's 2. Why does the crying child have The Mangle inside of his home?
Rydi Aug 29, 2015 @ 7:30am 
Originally posted by Supreme Sexellence™:
If this took place BEFORE Five Nights at Freddy's 2. Why does the crying child have The Mangle inside of his home?

It has to be the 1000th time I explain this. The Tv show/Movie "Fredbear and Friends" is what inspired the opening of the themed restaurants Fredbear's Family Diner and Freddy Fazbear's pizza and NOT the other way around. Imagine that someone decides to open a pizzeria replicating the ones seen in Five Nights at Freddy's including real animatronics of Freddy, Foxy, Chica, Bonnie...etc. That's exactly what happens in FNAF 4, exactly what originated everyting.

Fredbear & Friends was a very popular TV show and its popularity inspired the opening of themed restaurants based on the characters from the show. In the TV easter egg we see most of the characters already exist in the TV series which explains the existence of merchandise of ALL the animatronics even though in the restaurant of the game the only functional animatronics seen are Fredbear and Spring Bonnie. All the animatronics already exist in the show and that's why there is merchandise of Freddy, Foxy, Chica and Bonnie as well as Mangle even though the restaurant doesn't have real animatronics of those characters.
What we see in the TV is commercial for a new movie or maybe the new season of the show, airing next year in 1983, that's why everyone is hyped and wearing masks and having toy collections.

In fact, Phone dude was concerned that the foxy head they had found could be another crappy cosplay rather than an authentic relic from the restaurant where the murders were committed. Cosplay, rings any bell? The Foxy head with which the brother scares the living hell out of the child is not just a simple mask like the one he wears in the other minigames, it's bigger and heavier, covers the entire head. It could easily be that this Foxy head is the one Phone Dude finds in FNAF 3.
Originally posted by Supreme Sexellence™:
If this took place BEFORE Five Nights at Freddy's 2. Why does the crying child have The Mangle inside of his home?

"Integrated memories" Ever wonder why all the cutscenes are in old Atari-3600 graphics? They're memories of people that have already become animatronics; memories through the programming. Sometimes if you try to remember something where small bits of information get forgotten, your mind will try to make up something to fit the missing pieces if necessary. i.e. you can actually remember something wrong. In the animatronics' case, they fill these memory gaps with objects related to the restaurant, like toys and such as it's all their minds can pull from. If the crying kid becomes the Puppet as "Mangle's Quest" suggests he does, he would know about Mangle and the toy animatronics when trying to remember his past.

The answer is Mangle and the toy animatronics aren't actually there, it's just the programming messing with his memories, replacing what was actually there but forgotten. This is simply a way Scott can add easter eggs without them necessarily derailing the plot of the game.
Chris P. Bacon Aug 29, 2015 @ 9:41am 
Originally posted by Botahamec:
Originally posted by Mandizeen:
Before the game was released we got teasers, and their sourcecodes were spammed with 8s and 7s. The sentence "was it me" could be found on all the animatronics' teasers, and I'm 98,72% sure that the question actually means "Was it me [who did the bite]?" What else could it mean?
In the last phone call in Fnaf3, phone guy says "Remember to smile, you are the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza." That means that the springlock suits existed after Fredbears Diner.
In Fnaf2 (I think it was 2, correct me if I'm wrong) phone guy tells you that an incident happend regarding the springlock suits, on a sisterlocation. That's why you can't see Fredbear or springbonnie in Fnaf2, because you're not the nightguard on the sisterlocation, but the Bite of 87 most likely happend there.
And now that Scott himself even says that we are kind of overanalyzing things*, and that the story is right in front of our eyes, why do people still belive that the bite of 83 exists?

*the year 1983 seen on the TV


oh, and btw, please ignore my somewhat bad grammar :3
Why would there be problems with springlock suits in one location but not the others?

Why would the year 1983 be on the TV?

Why would Fredbear be a thing in 1987 when Phone Guy can barely remember the name?

Why would a commercial be rerun?

If it wasn't a commercial, why would Scott tell us that a show is being rerun? It's such a small detail!

Why does the kid die after the bite if the Phone Guy said "he survived"?

Where did you see him say we're ovethinking things?

Why is the year being shown not a valid argument?

And like tou said, the year is right in front of you. Why are you overthinking and saying that it might be a rerun?

I will try to answer these questions



1. Possible that spring bonnie and freddy are the oldest suits

2. The 1983 on the tv could be a flashback to that year

3. repeat^

4. h repeat again^

5. People survived a plane crash and died days later this could be the same

6. idk
7. possible flashback
Originally posted by Mandizeen:
Before the game was released we got teasers, and their sourcecodes were spammed with 8s and 7s.

A week before the game released he added one 3 into the source code replacing a 7. That was how the "1983" rumor started even before the game came out. Did no one remember that?

Originally posted by Mandizeen:
The sentence "was it me" could be found on all the animatronics' teasers, and I'm 98,72% sure that the question actually means "Was it me [who did the bite]?" What else could it mean?

There's no reason "Was it me?" can't refer to an incident other than the Bite of '87.

Originally posted by Mandizeen:
In the last phone call in Fnaf3, phone guy says "Remember to smile, you are the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza." That means that the springlock suits existed after Fredbears Diner.

That is true, but remember that the spring suits were also decommissioned due to "springlock failures" and replaced most likely by the 4 main animatronics. As the old animatronics in FNaF2 must have also been at that location at some point. Fredbear and the main 4, from what we know, have never been at the same restaurant together; and the yellow suit mentioned in FNaF2 is more than likely the Springtrap. Also remember that in FNaF2 Phone Guy says that Fredbear's Family Diner (or whatever its real name was) had been closed for "years".

Originally posted by Mandizeen:
In Fnaf2 (I think it was 2, correct me if I'm wrong) phone guy tells you that an incident happend regarding the springlock suits, on a sisterlocation. That's why you can't see Fredbear or springbonnie in Fnaf2, because you're not the nightguard on the sisterlocation, but the Bite of 87 most likely happend there.

See you did remember about the "springlock failures", and it was FNaF3 where he said it. I believe that during FNaF2, there is only one restaurant open at the time. Though, the yellow suit incident refered to on Night 6 in FNaF2 could be talking about a closed location that they have on standby (the one where they return in the first game) it also makes sense because that's where Springtrap is. He could also be referring to an old investigation that recently resurfaced during FNaF2. How I see it is that the 5 murders happened at the location before FNaF2's (which is incidently also the building in both FNaF and FNaf4) the franchise temporarily closed for some time, then reopened with FNaF2's enhanced security measures. The sister location has to have been around during the time of the FNaF3 tapes, in my example this is a place we've never seen, but just another restaurant showing that at the time it was a franchise.

Originally posted by Mandizeen:
And now that Scott himself even says that we are kind of overanalyzing things*, and that the story is right in front of our eyes, why do people still belive that the bite of 83 exists?

I don't know about this personally, but that seems more like Scott is trying to say that it does take place in 83. The only thing overcomplicating the whole thing are people trying to logic why a year would be shown in such a way, and not just accepting it as the year the game takes place.

There's a very simple answer as to when and where "The Bite of '87" occurs, and it's been there since the beginning.

"They used to walk around during the day, but then there was the 'Bite of '87'." -Phone Guy (FNaF Night 1)

FNaF2's retaurant was the only time and place where the animatronics walked on their own during the day. In FNaF4 they're people in costumes and the animatronics only work on their own while onstage. If FNaF4 happened at the same time as FNaF2, the spring suits would be gone by this time due to the springlock failures, and the suits would be upgraded like they are in FNaF2.

In conclusion, what we see in FNaF4 is not the "Bite of '87", but another event of importance that possibly inspired the Bite of '87. The real bite happened in FNaF2 and the victim was Jeremy, which we've known since FNaF2.
Find Me in the Alps (Banned) Aug 29, 2015 @ 10:36am 
Originally posted by Mandizeen:
Before the game was released we got teasers, and their sourcecodes were spammed with 8s and 7s. The sentence "was it me" could be found on all the animatronics' teasers, and I'm 98,72% sure that the question actually means "Was it me [who did the bite]?" What else could it mean?
In the last phone call in Fnaf3, phone guy says "Remember to smile, you are the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza." That means that the springlock suits existed after Fredbears Diner.
In Fnaf2 (I think it was 2, correct me if I'm wrong (EDIT: It's Fnaf3, gosh, I'm really stupid...) phone guy tells you that an incident happend regarding the springlock suits, on a sisterlocation. That's why you can't see Fredbear or springbonnie in Fnaf2, because you're not the nightguard on the sisterlocation, but the Bite of 87 most likely happend there.
And now that Scott himself even says that we are kind of overanalyzing things*, and that the story is right in front of our eyes, why do people still belive that the bite of 83 exists?

*the year 1983 seen on the TV


oh, and btw, please ignore my somewhat bad grammar :3
I feely admit the bite of '83 theory isn't proven. But it frustrates me when people try to prove it wrong with evidence as flimsy as this.
1. Source code, CANNOT BE COUNTED AS EVIDENCE FOR THE GAME. THESE SECRETS WERE DESIGNED TO TEASE THE GAME, TO MISLEAD PEOPEL SEEING THE TEASERS. THEY ARE NOT CANON, THEY CANNOT BE COUNTED AS PROPER EVIDENCE.
2. Just because Freddy Fazbears Pizza owned the Springlock suits, does not mean they did not exist back in '83. It's very possible FFP bought the suits off of FFD.
3.This point, is in fact, fair evidence, even if it is rooted a little too much in speculation. Why would the location without Fredbear in it close due to an incident at this speculated "sister location?" On top of this, you can't just say it "probably happened there." Thats just speculation
People believe the bite of 83 because of the tv evidence you mentioned. Also, Fredbear and Friends makes an appearance, and there is strong evidence to suggest that Golden Freddy IS Fredbear (colouration, appearance, role etc). Golden freddy appears as a kind of hallucination in fnaf2, why would he do this if he is a mundane animatronic functioning at a "sister location?"
Both theories are valid and I personally incline towards '83 rather than 87. but I feely admit I could be wrong. I only argue because I feel the evidence you stated is flimsy and inconclusive.
Mandizeen Aug 29, 2015 @ 1:42pm 
Alright, I've read everyones answers, and everyone has a good point.
Let's do a timeline to make it easier...
You can find mine here[prntscr.com].
I know that it contains a lot of errors, feel free to use it and change whatever you want, it was actually pretty hard to make. x)
Please, don't hate my theories. Make your own timeline instead.
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