FNAF 4 and FNAF 3's tapes tell us when the five missing children died.

[Rydi]

This goes to anyone believing that FNAF 4 and FNAF 3 are not directly related: they are, in fact, they happen at the same time but in different locations.

FNAF 4 takes place in Fredbear's Family Diner whereas the training tapes we hear in FNAF 3 were recorded in the first Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, years before 1987.

FNAF 4 shows us how a day performer died in the saferoom while taking off the springlock suit. He accidentally triggered the springlocks on himself and died. The following day we only see the springlock suits in ANIMATRONIC mode (ie. not worn by employees due to them being considered unfit for employees). The child gets thrown into Fredbear's mouth and the devices keeping the head of the animatronic in place get extended beyond their limit and they break, causing Fredbear's head to come down crushing the child's head in the process, killing him.

These events trigger the following response at the sister location, Freddy Fazbear's Pizza:

"After learning of an unfortunate incident at the sister location, involving multiple and simultaneous spring lock failures, the company has deemed the suits temporarily unfit for employees. Safety is our top priority at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, which is why the classic suits are being retired to an appropriate location, while being looked at by our technician." FNAF 3 - Night 4

The suits have been decommissioned because of the threat they pose. They are sent to the saferoom. Purple man, sneaks into Freddy's and takes the Spring Bonnie suit from the saferoom and uses it to lure and kill five children during the late hours of operation of the pizzeria. He worked at Fredbear's so his vast knowledge of the springlock suits guaranteed he'd be able to wear it safely. The pizzeria crew realizes something's wrong and they send out this message to all employees to keep them from doing something stupid, unfortunately for them, the deed had already been done:

"The saferoom is not a break room, and should not be considered a place for employees to hide and/or congregate - and under no circumstance should a customer ever be taken into this room and out of the main show area. Management has also been made aware that the Spring Bonnie animatronic has been noticeably moved" FNAF 3 - Night 5

Oh my, someone wearing a cartoon costume and taking people into a backroom? Doesn't that sound familiar? It should, it's what the media reports of the five missing children incident. This is EXACTLY the moment when the first five children were murdered and given life in the animatronics. http://38.media.tumblr.com/30c64c3aa1a2d83fc43d9c8c4f038c55/tumblr_inline_ney6voVC7S1refuhb.png

The pizzeria crew finds out about the crimes and decides to board the saferoom up before the investigation begins because having an off-camera room used by a murderer to slaughter five children is a major security breach that would get them shut down in less than it takes to say Fazbear.

"The previously mentioned safe rooms are being sealed at most locations, including this one. Work crews will be here most of the day today, constructing a false wall over the old door base. Nothing is being taken out beforehand, so if you've left anything inside, then it's your own fault. Management also requests that this room not be mentioned to family, friends or insurance representatives." FNAF 3 - Night 6

So they board the saferoom up with Spring Bonnie inside. Without the police knowing of the off-camera saferoom, a warning not to mention it to family, friends or insurance representatives, the murder weapon sealed away and the corpses nowhere to be found, the pizzeria got away unscathed...

... Until the corpses of the children inside the animatronics started oozing and the pizzeria was shut down over sanitaton.


So that's why FNAF 4 and FNAF 3's training tapes are directly intertwined. They show us when the first five missing children died and thus both FNAF 4 and the location featured in the training tapes date to the past, to years before 1987. They also show us when and why Fredbear's Family Diner closed and how it fits and is relevant to the story.

[Zephkiel]

Tagging for later

[Rydi]

Anyone else want to share their thoughs on this?

[AlexJBrimmer]

Could you just quickly explain when you think FNaF 3 took place? Like, the year?

[AlexJBrimmer]

I think you're saying both games happen at the same time, in the past. There's an issue with that. Remember when Phone Dude makes a joke about cosplaying?

[Evo]

FNaF 4 happens in 1987 when Fredbear's is closed. (Unless it's another building.) Meaning the springlock era was in 1987. The 5 missing children incident happen MANY YEARS before FNaF 2 in 1987.

[RiverHeart01]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Alex_Plays_Games:

I think you're saying both games happen at the same time, in the past. There's an issue with that. Remember when Phone Dude makes a joke about cosplaying?

I think he's saying that the events of the tapes in FNaF 3, not the game itself, happens at the same time as FNaF 4. FNaF 4 is earliest in the timeline, and FNaF 3 is last, about 40 years later.

[Rydi]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Alex_Plays_Games:

Could you just quickly explain when you think FNaF 3 took place? Like, the year?

Sure! FNAF 3's training cassettes (which is what I assume you're asking about) were recorded in the first Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, in June 1982 (they had been open since early 70s though).

We know thanks to the newspaper clippings that the five missing children incident happened at the first Freddy Fazbear's Pizza and that it got shut down over sanitation, hence why they had to reopen years later in FNAF 2. So these training cassettes date to the past by necessity.

As for why 1982 of all years... There were many teasers and easter eggs pointing to it both in scott's website (source code) and in-game:

- 2093 - 1111=1982
- 0871 + 1111= 1982
- #ee82ee - the colour of Purple man and a hint towards a year '82. Any number between 80 and 90 gives the same shade so choosing 82 out f all numbers is a hint to the year when Purple man did something terrible.
- The TV easter egg is showing a trailer for the upcoming movie or new season of the cartoon show Fredbear & Friends, airing next year in 1982.

If you were asking about the main gameplay of FNAF 3 with the horror attraction, sometime between 2020 and 2023! Considering Scott loves selecting years with Friday 13th on November, 2020 is the most likely candidate.

[Rydi]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Evan:

FNaF 4 happens in 1987 when Fredbear's is closed. (Unless it's another building.) Meaning the springlock era was in 1987. The 5 missing children incident happen MANY YEARS before FNaF 2 in 1987.

Read my thread, you clearly didn't understand it. Those tapes in FNAF 3 are telling you when the first five missing children died, which happened before FNAF 2. And they talk about a sister location that also used springlock suits (FNAF 4). FNAF 2 DID NOT use springlock suits, the only one they had was Golden Freddy and it was just "a spare in the back", used for parts like the withered animatronics.

[Evo]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Rydi:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Evan:

FNaF 4 happens in 1987 when Fredbear's is closed. (Unless it's another building.) Meaning the springlock era was in 1987. The 5 missing children incident happen MANY YEARS before FNaF 2 in 1987.

Read my thread, you clearly didn't understand it. Those tapes in FNAF 3 are telling you when the first five missing children died, which happened before FNAF 2. And they talk about a sister location that also used springlock suits (FNAF 4). FNAF 2 DID NOT use springlock suits, the only one they had was Golden Freddy and it was just "a spare in the back", used for parts like the withered animatronics.

I know what you meant. Sorry if I come across as rude or stubborn but let me tell you what I think. But Phone guy says the spring suits are NOT to be worn or actived ever again on his third tape. That means the FNaF 3 tapes can't possibly before FNaF 4 or FNaF 2. And the first 3 tapes are consectutive days and the first tape must happen before the Bite of 87 since the animatronics are said to walk around in there. No one was wearing the spring suits during FNaF 4 because they were still being trained to wear the suits.

And the guy in the safe room on day 3 of FNaF 4 doesn't die. He's wearing a regular costume. And you can see the animatronics are active before he puts the suit on. Anyway, sorry to disagree but these events have nothing to do with the 5 children incident. :(

[Rydi]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Evan:

I know what you meant. Sorry if I come across as rude or stubborn but let me tell you what I think. But Phone guy says the spring suits are NOT to be worn or actived ever again on his third tape. That means the FNaF 3 tapes can't possibly before FNaF 4 or FNaF 2. And the first 3 tapes are consectutive days and the first tape must happen before the Bite of 87 since the animatronics are said to walk around in there. No one was wearing the spring suits during FNaF 4 because they were still being trained to wear the suits.

And the guy in the safe room on day 3 of FNaF 4 doesn't die. He's wearing a regular costume. And you can see the animatronics are active before he puts the suit on. Anyway, sorry to disagree but these events have nothing to do with the 5 children incident. :(

I don't mind if you disagree but honestly, you're telling me all this and all I can think of is "this guy didn't understand the games". So let's go point by point and see if you can understand what I mean and what the game is actually telling you:

- FNAF 3's training tapes talk about two locations. The tapes are recorded at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza but they mention a sister location, Freadbear's Family Diner (FNAF 4) where the springlocks have caused an accident. Where have we seen accidents including springlock suits? Oh yeah, FNAF 4.

- The events of FNAF 4 happen two days before the tapes in FNAF 3, the guys at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza only get the warning to decommission the springlock suits after the child gets locked in the saferoom with the corpse and after he dies inside of Fredbear's mouth the next day. AFTER these events, they warn Freddy's about the safety issues and FREDDY's decommissions the suits. FNAF 4 happens a day or two earlier than FNAF 3's training tapes. It's quite obvious.

Employee dies at Fredbear's > Child gets bitten by Fredbear > Freddy's gets a phone call about the incidents and decommissions the suits > Purple man steals Spring Bonnie and kills children > Saferoom boarded up

- Since the suits were decommissioned after the events at FNAF 4, no springlock suit was actively used ANYMORE in the entire saga. The only times a springlock suit is used when they are decommissioned is when Purple man steals Spring Bonnie from the saferoom to kill the five missing children (between tapes of Night 4 and Night 5) and again when he steals Golden Freddy from Parts & Service to kill the kids in FNAF 2 "we had a spare in the back, a yellow one". Apart from those "illegal" moments, the suits were never actively used again. They were in use for many years until that fateful birthday party and they were never used again legally and actively after that.

- You are right, those tapes happen before the bite of '87. 5 years before the bite to be precise! The animatronics were set to move towards sound! They were allowed to roam freely and in FNAF 2 we know they can still roam around, therefore neither those tapes nor FNAF 4 feature the bite, or else the toy animatronics wouldn't move. Not only that but FNAF 2 only had toy animatronics as the stars of the show, the withered models (including Golden Freddy the springlock suit) weren't in use. So if the springlock suit wasn't in use how can 1987 be springlock era?

- Why would the animatronics in Freddy Fazbear's Pizza lose the ability to walk around because of an event that happened at a different location they have nothing to do with? Did they truly scrap the toy animatronics because they stared at adults? No way, they were scrapped for one of them caused the bite of '87.

- No one was wearing the springlock suits during FNAF 4? What do you call this then https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bxIggoJ_xzQ/hqdefault.jpg because it's clearly an employee inside a springlock suit, in fact, it's the one that kills the child on Night 5 :'D The springlock suits were in use. So in use that the tapes in FNAF 3 already call them CLASSIC. They've been using the suits for years! This is NOT 1987! They don't have the suits like they're the newest thing in town, they've had them for years and only the guy in Night 3 minigame is new, the rest are perfectly trained performers.

- The guy helped into the suit by purple man didn't die in that moment, he died in Night 4 after trying to take the suit off on his own without Purple Man's aid. He triggered the springlocks on himself by accident. He's DEAD. There's no reason for him to be lying inside the suit if he's alive, the saferoom is not a place for naps xD http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150726020702/freddy-fazbears-pizza/images/0/03/FNAF_4_Endoskeleton_%26_Fredbear_NEW_Mini_game_(FNAF_4)

- It's after this employee dies inside the springlock suit that they actually keep Fredbear's employees from wearing them anymore, hence why Fredbear was on stage without being worn by any employee on the bday party, reason why the child dies cause had an employee been wearing the Fredbear suit he'd have kept the bullies from throwing the child into Fredbear.



So, to sum it up: The employee dying and the child being crunched by Fredbear were the events that triggered Freddy Fazbear's Pizza to decommission the suits, therefore they happened BEFORE the warning phone call in FNAF 3. Since the suits were decomissioned then and immediately after Spring Bonnie was used to kill the children, this can only be the first Freddy Fazbear's Pizza and Fredbear is the sister location mentioned in the tapes.

Since those murders triggered the saferooms being boarded up with Spring Bonnie inside, we are CERTAIN that this happened in the first pizzeria and that the springlock suits were NEVER used again in the entire saga:

- FNAF 2 only has Golden Freddy and it's decommissioned, only a spare suit in the back. Spring Bonnie isn't even in the pizzeria.
- FNAF 1 no longer has Golden Freddy at all, only his ghost remains. Spring Bonnie still remains nowhere to be found.
- FNAF 3 they tell us they have a clue about a boarded up room and the next day they already have Springtrap = Spring Bonnie was in the saferoom all along.

[Rydi]

Anyone else want to share their thoughts?

[OscartheChinchilla]

Wow. This theory definitely is well built... aside from maybe asserting where the Puppet fits in, the only real thing that could disprove this would be Scott himself.

[Rydi]

Początkowo opublikowane przez OscartheChinchilla:

Wow. This theory definitely is well built... aside from maybe asserting where the Puppet fits in, the only real thing that could disprove this would be Scott himself.

The puppet body has always been at Freddy's from the very first Pizzeria, we know this due to the puppet stuffing the children in the suits in the first pizzeria, causing it to get shut down over sanitation after the corpses started rotting and the animatronics oozed a bad smell. But FNAF 4 heavily hints that the spirit that later becomes the puppet has been haunting the Fredbear plush for quite a while. So when the FNAF 4 child dies, the spirit of the puppet is also released from the Fredbear plush (maybe the brother beheads it in a rampage fit like he did with Foxy the plush?) and finds his way into Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, where he finds the five dead children and stuffs them into the animatronics.

[megaharv]

I mostly agree, I'm getting hung up on the "simultaneous" part. Night 4 is when we see that the employee is dead in the safe room with the crying child, then the next night, the crying child gets shoved into Fredbear's mouth. They happen a day apart from each other, not exactly how I apply the use of the word "simultaneous".

The only explanation I have for that is the crying child was locked in that safe room all night long, and when the Night 5 minigame starts, the brother lets him out and shoves him into Fredbear's mouth, therefore the events appear simultaneous to the company. But I can't say that with certainty.

[Rydi]

Początkowo opublikowane przez megaharv:

I mostly agree, I'm getting hung up on the "simultaneous" part. Night 4 is when we see that the employee is dead in the safe room with the crying child, then the next night, the crying child gets shoved into Fredbear's mouth. They happen a day apart from each other, not exactly how I apply the use of the word "simultaneous".

The only explanation I have for that is the crying child was locked in that safe room all night long, and when the Night 5 minigame starts, the brother lets him out and shoves him into Fredbear's mouth, therefore the events appear simultaneous to the company. But I can't say that with certainty.

Maybe, or it could be that after 10 years of using those springlock suits without any casualty, having two or three people die because of the suits in less than 24 hours it can be considered "simultaneous". I think there was another springlock failure earlier in the week, probably what scared the child so much, but since it was the first in many years they disregarded it and considered it to be simply "bad luck" but after two more incidents in less than a week took place they couldn't brush it off anymore.