Debunking "FNAF 4 is at FredBear's".

[Boogster]

Today, we'll be looking at some of the main pieces of evidence that people use for this theory, and explain why they can't be true.

Evidence: "This is a sister location that has 2 seperate springlock suits".

Counterarguement: In night one of FNAF 3 when PG talks about the suits, he says: "Right now we have 2 specially designed animatronics that double as both wearable costume and animatronic". Wait, how many suits did he say they had? 2. Only 2. And before you say "They could have made more in the future!", he never mentions anything about there being more. Plus, they were scrapped after an "unfortunate incident".

Evidence: "The yellow bear's name is FredBear".

Counterarguement: This should be obvious, but just because that particular animatronics name is FredBear, doesn't mean that it takes place at the diner. In "Take Cake", FredBear is brown, not yellow.

Evidence: "The child who dies becomes the Puppet, and FredBear's is where the Puppet was killed".

Counterarguement: This child doesn't become the Puppet. Notice that the Puppet is nowhere to be seen anywhere in the game, which means he must not've been created yet. So it's impossible for this child to become the Puppet.

Now, I'm going to mention some more evidnece that supports my theory.

Number 1: Notice how PG says that the suits are "specially designed". Meaning that they haven't been out for very long because they use new technology.

Number 2: Also in night one of FNAF 3, PG specifically states that the suits were used as the first location, and not FredBear's. "Welcome to your new job as a performer/entertainer for FREDDY FAZBEAR'S PIZZA". NOT FredBear's Family Diner.

Number 3: Regardless of whether this takes place in 1983 or 1987, FredBear's has been cloed years prior the creation of the springlock suits, as PG tells us in FNAF 2: "Uh, we're going to try to contact the original restaurant owner. Uh, I think the name of the place was..."Fredbear's Family Diner" or something like that. It's been closed for years though, I doubt we'll be able to track anybody down."

Number 4: In "Take Cake", there is only 1 animatronic, FredBear. And as I stated before, he's brown, not yellow. And there is no Spring Bonnie or saferoom anywhere to be seen.

Number 5: Judging by what we see in "Take Cake", FredBear's was a very small-budget location, with only 1 room and 1 animatronic. However, the location from FNAF 4 has multiple rooms, and 2 animatronics.

So yeah. Hopefully I've helped to clear up all of the confusion as to where this takes place.

[Boogster]

Originally posted by MichaelO2000:

When phone guy says that they have "two specially designed suits" he could mean that they have two specially designed suits for THAT location, while the other locations have their own pair of those suits.

So, each location could have had two spring suits.

He could have also meant that "two suits" meant two characters, meaning that the only spring suits are Fredbear and Spring Bonnie, but there are multiple versions of Fredbear and Spring Bonnie.

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Take Cake isn't at Fredbear's Family Diner. We are NOT playing as Fredbear in that mini game, we play as Freddy.

If we play as Freddy, then why does he have a cupcake, which is Chica's signature?

[Boogster]

Originally posted by MichaelO2000:

Originally posted by XxJewPridexX:

If we play as Freddy, then why does he have a cupcake, which is Chica's signature?

He DOESN'T have a cupcake, he has CAKE. Which is why it's called the Take CAKE mini game.

Ok, but then where are Bonnie, Chica, and Foxy?

[Scrumbungulus (Not GS)]

But, "Your brother is kind of a baby, I know. Hear that, the little guy says he wants to give Fredbear a big kiss..." Remember from the 2nd last minigame.

[Boogster]

Originally posted by Candy the Cat:

But, "Your brother is kind of a baby, I know. Hear that, the little guy says he wants to give Fredbear a big kiss..." Remember from the 2nd last minigame.

Ok... Exactly what poing are you trying to get across? If it's that the things name is FredBear so it must be at FredBear's, than I already covered that.

[AirFreshener]

Freddy Fazbear's Pizza had two suits.

Fredbear's had many more.

[WeltaChara]

um...no. you see, the location in the give cake minigame is not ffd, but ffp. why?
because
1. freddy is brown and
2. we see foxy in a two room location, which is actually more that 2, so it can easily be that the location in the give cake minigame has more than 1 room.
phone guy introduces you to ffp, yes, but he says that there was a springlock failure *at the sister location, not that place.* and what do we see in fnaf 4 at the end? a speinglock failure. and sister locations have different names but are very similar to the original location. so this explains why both locations have identical(ish) springlock suits but have different names. and btw, as a bonus fact:
"i think the name of the place was fredbear's family diner, that place was close for years"
-phone guy *1987*

[Boogster]

Originally posted by Shadowlink64:

um...no. you see, the location in the give cake minigame is not ffd, but ffp. why?
because
1. freddy is brown and
2. we see foxy in a two room location, which is actually more that 2, so it can easily be that the location in the give cake minigame has more than 1 room.
phone guy introduces you to ffp, yes, but he says that there was a springlock failure *at the sister location, not that place.* and what do we see in fnaf 4 at the end? a speinglock failure. and sister locations have different names but are very similar to the original location. so this explains why both locations have identical(ish) springlock suits but have different names. and btw, as a bonus fact:
"i think the name of the place was fredbear's family diner, that place was close for years"
-phone guy *1987*

It's not a springlock failure. I already disproved this in a different discussion. The only reason that the spring locks would be used is if an employee was in a suit, since the springlocks make the suits wearable. But in FNAF 4, when the child is injured, there isn't an employee in the suit, so the springlocks can't fail if they're not being used.

[WeltaChara]

Originally posted by XxJewPridexX:

Originally posted by Shadowlink64:

um...no. you see, the location in the give cake minigame is not ffd, but ffp. why?
because
1. freddy is brown and
2. we see foxy in a two room location, which is actually more that 2, so it can easily be that the location in the give cake minigame has more than 1 room.
phone guy introduces you to ffp, yes, but he says that there was a springlock failure *at the sister location, not that place.* and what do we see in fnaf 4 at the end? a speinglock failure. and sister locations have different names but are very similar to the original location. so this explains why both locations have identical(ish) springlock suits but have different names. and btw, as a bonus fact:
"i think the name of the place was fredbear's family diner, that place was close for years"
-phone guy *1987*

It's not a springlock failure. I already disproved this in a different discussion. The only reason that the spring locks would be used is if an employee was in a suit, since the springlocks make the suits wearable. But in FNAF 4, when the child is injured, there isn't an employee in the suit, so the springlocks can't fail if they're not being used.

okay, i'm just going to get something straight here. if the springlocks malfunction, used or not, they are FAILING. the tears of the child moistened the locks, the locks spring shut, crushing the child's skull. the springlock suits are made up of multiple spring locks. the suits "double as both animatronic and suit" so they don't need to have a person in them to be considered a springlock suit.

[Boogster]

Originally posted by Shadowlink64:

Originally posted by XxJewPridexX:

It's not a springlock failure. I already disproved this in a different discussion. The only reason that the spring locks would be used is if an employee was in a suit, since the springlocks make the suits wearable. But in FNAF 4, when the child is injured, there isn't an employee in the suit, so the springlocks can't fail if they're not being used.

okay, i'm just going to get something straight here. if the springlocks malfunction, used or not, they are FAILING. the tears of the child moistened the locks, the locks spring shut, crushing the child's skull. the springlock suits are made up of multiple spring locks. the suits "double as both animatronic and suit" so they don't need to have a person in them to be considered a springlock suit.

Yes, but the purpose of the springlocks is to lock the endoskeleton into place so the suit can be worn. You put the crank in, you turn it, the endoskeleton is compressed into the suit, and the springlocks hold it into place. If there is no employee in the suit, then the endoskeleton isn't being compressed, so the springlocks aren't being used. They can't fail if they're not being used for their intended purppse, which is holding the endoskeleton into the suit, which isn't happening. If you look closely, FredBear's mouth was moving up and down. The child's head was in the way.

[gavtel]

-What about the possibility of there only being 2 suits at the location he's working at? Did you consider that while making this theory? The two in question being Golden Freddy and Spring Bonnie, while the sister location also had spring suits but it had more than 2 (since we see both Fredbear and Spring Bonnie's shadows in the Night 2 minigame, along with the employee getting into the suit and the employee in the Fredbear suit), they aren't mentioned because those belonged to Fredbear's Family Diner and not to Freddy Fazbear's Pizza.

-I have proof that Freddy in Take Cake to the Children is indeed Freddy Fazbear and NOT Fredbear. Try comparing the colours of that Freddy to the one in the Give Gifts, Give Life minigame, it's a perfect match. As for why he was carrying cake, it's not an animatronic that we are controlling but an employee in a "temporary suit" (one of the ones mentioned in FNaF3). The suit was only temporary because it was going to be turned into an animatronic soon. I know this might sound strange considering that Phone Guy states the location's name as "Freddy Fazbear's Pizza" but what if the Freddy prior to the brown one we know was actually Golden Freddy (who back then was known as "Freddy Fazbear" but was changed to Golden Freddy after Fredbear & Friends introduced the brown one to avoid confusion between Fredbear and Freddy Fazbear on the show).

As for your evidence, if he only referred to the 2 at their own location, there could have been the two at Fredbear's (plus however many variants they made back then). Just because it's new doesn't mean they didn't have access to the technology at the time too, with Freddy Fazbear's Pizza being a sister location to Fredbear's. Also Phone Guy doesn't remember the name of it because he didn't care about THAT location and that he obviously didn't work there but instead he worked at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza.

I used to believe in 87 but 82 fits better in terms of the story OR at least it does for the majority of the minigames, the kid's death and the end of the Night 6 dialogue (starting from "I'm still here") is in 87, serving as a motive to Purple Guy's murders (as he was angered by this kid's death and wanted the place shut down so he killed a bunch of kids to get it shut down). Other motives include:
A friend dying in the Spring Lock Failures - Take Cake to the Children
The FNaF4 kid being bitten - Foxy Go! Go! Go!
The FNaF4 kid's death - SAVE THEM
The cops trying to hunt him down - FNaF3 end of night minigames (this is why he destroys the animatronics)

Edit: The Springlock failures wasn't the bite but the death of some employees just prior to FNaF4 Night 2's minigame (explaining what he saw).

[WeltaChara]

Originally posted by XxJewPridexX:

Originally posted by Shadowlink64:

okay, i'm just going to get something straight here. if the springlocks malfunction, used or not, they are FAILING. the tears of the child moistened the locks, the locks spring shut, crushing the child's skull. the springlock suits are made up of multiple spring locks. the suits "double as both animatronic and suit" so they don't need to have a person in them to be considered a springlock suit.

Yes, but the purpose of the springlocks is to lock the endoskeleton into place so the suit can be worn. You put the crank in, you turn it, the endoskeleton is compressed into the suit, and the springlocks hold it into place. If there is no employee in the suit, then the endoskeleton isn't being compressed, so the springlocks aren't being used. They can't fail if they're not being used for their intended purppse, which is holding the endoskeleton into the suit, which isn't happening. If you look closely, FredBear's mouth was moving up and down. The child's head was in the way.

that's not how the springlock suit works. the springlocks are always used, because an endoskeleton is baisically a robot version of a human. the difference is, the endo is stationary, which does not effect how the springlocks function.

[Rydi]

"Number 2: Also in night one of FNAF 3, PG specifically states that the suits were used as the first location, and not FredBear's. "Welcome to your new job as a performer/entertainer for FREDDY FAZBEAR'S PIZZA". NOT FredBear's Family Diner. "

Omg, seriously go play the games. Ugh. They tell you in those tapes that there is ANOTHER SISTER LOCATION WITH SPRINGLOCK SUITS. How can you be so dense? Two PLACES with Springlock suits coexisted in time. One is Freddy's, the first one, the one from the training cassettes. And the other one, where the springlock failures happen, is FREDBEAR'S family diner. It's not our problem if you can't put two and two together that the ONLY place where Fredbear is seen is actually Fredbear's Family Diner (somebody bring this guy a neon sign, he needs it!). Your logic stuns me! Fredbear hasn't been present IN ANY of the OTHER pizzerias from the franchise, so you can't pull out of thin air that a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza somehow owned Fredbear and get away with it.

They have two suits at Freddy's not at Fredbear's. FNAF 3's training tapes weren't recorded in FNAF 4's location, DUH!

Fazbear's Fright scavenged ALL pizzerias trying to find items to use and they didn't find ANYTHING, not even a drawing, of Fredbear. Which already proves you Fredbear NEVER belonged to Freddy Fazbear's Pizza. So you might want to change the title of this thread because you sir haven't debunked anything xD

[Coldwing (lol dead)]

Originally posted by XxJewPridexX:

Today, we'll be looking at some of the main pieces of evidence that people use for this theory, and explain why they can't be true.

Evidence: "This is a sister location that has 2 seperate springlock suits".

Counterarguement: In night one of FNAF 3 when PG talks about the suits, he says: "Right now we have 2 specially designed animatronics that double as both wearable costume and animatronic". Wait, how many suits did he say they had? 2. Only 2. And before you say "They could have made more in the future!", he never mentions anything about there being more. Plus, they were scrapped after an "unfortunate incident".

Evidence: "The yellow bear's name is FredBear".

Counterarguement: This should be obvious, but just because that particular animatronics name is FredBear, doesn't mean that it takes place at the diner. In "Take Cake", FredBear is brown, not yellow.

Evidence: "The child who dies becomes the Puppet, and FredBear's is where the Puppet was killed".

Counterarguement: This child doesn't become the Puppet. Notice that the Puppet is nowhere to be seen anywhere in the game, which means he must not've been created yet. So it's impossible for this child to become the Puppet.

Now, I'm going to mention some more evidnece that supports my theory.

Number 1: Notice how PG says that the suits are "specially designed". Meaning that they haven't been out for very long because they use new technology.

Number 2: Also in night one of FNAF 3, PG specifically states that the suits were used as the first location, and not FredBear's. "Welcome to your new job as a performer/entertainer for FREDDY FAZBEAR'S PIZZA". NOT FredBear's Family Diner.

Number 3: Regardless of whether this takes place in 1983 or 1987, FredBear's has been cloed years prior the creation of the springlock suits, as PG tells us in FNAF 2: "Uh, we're going to try to contact the original restaurant owner. Uh, I think the name of the place was..."Fredbear's Family Diner" or something like that. It's been closed for years though, I doubt we'll be able to track anybody down."

Number 4: In "Take Cake", there is only 1 animatronic, FredBear. And as I stated before, he's brown, not yellow. And there is no Spring Bonnie or saferoom anywhere to be seen.

Number 5: Judging by what we see in "Take Cake", FredBear's was a very small-budget location, with only 1 room and 1 animatronic. However, the location from FNAF 4 has multiple rooms, and 2 animatronics.

So yeah. Hopefully I've helped to clear up all of the confusion as to where this takes place.

Yeah, they had two at THEIR location. Doesn't mean that only two existed. Speaking of "the unfortunate incident", remember where it takes place? At the sister location. And guess what? In Fnaf 4, we see at least one spring lock malfunction.


You know how we know that this place is still Fredbear's Family Diner? PROPERTY OF FR________________ER, which Fredbear's Family Diner fits in perfectly with. It shows Nightmare Fredbear as well, which was created AFTER the child got bit, hinting that the place still belongs to Fredbear's Family Diner.


The child who dies does become Puppet, in the TAKE CAKE minigame at least. However, he didn't possess Puppet at first; he first possessed the Friendbear plush. Even in the afterlife, he still couldn't go into Fredbear's Family Diner.


When Phone Guy made the tapes, it was around the time that ALL the springlock suits were being introduced; (Spring) Fredbear and Spring Bonnie at Fredbear's Family Diner, and Spring Freddy (Golden Freddy) and another Spring Bonnie (Springtrap) at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza.


Yeah, he said that they were at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, which was the SISTER LOCATION to Fredbear's Family Diner. As I said before, they were introduced at around the same time.


The spring suits weren't made in 1987. That's completely illogical. Golden Freddy, a springlock suit, was "a spare one" in the back. SPARE. The training tapes could NOT come from Toy Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, as Toy Freddy Fazbear's Pizza had a Parts and Services, where they stored things not being used. However, also mentioned in the training tapes was the Saferoom, which had the exact same purpose. "The safe room is reserved for equipment and/or other property not being currently used..."


"Take Cake" was Fredbear's Family Diner BEFORE it had spring lock suits. The dead kid outside made them queasy, which led to the introduction of the spring suits and Freddy Fazbear's Pizza.


Who says they had a small budget? One room and one animatronic doesn't necessarily mean that they were broke. They most likely had a lot of money, and with the dead kid and all (which could of generated donations), they used *some* of it to make Freddy Fazbear's Pizza (another room with 2/3 rooms) and 4 more animatronics. The place in Fnaf 4 only had 2/3 rooms, which isn't that much of a renovation (the changing room and Saferoom in Fnaf 4).

[Cutting_Edgy]

Here we go again.
In one of the teasers, it said "Property of Fredbear's Family Diner". On FNAF 2 Night 5, Phone Guy implies that Fredbear's owner gave up of the restaurant. By that time, Fazbear Entertainment should've taken place, which means it would be "Property of Fazbear Entertainment" if it was another restaurant. Now, if it was the same restaurant, it would still be "Property of Fredbear's Family Diner", because it's not something Fazbear's created, it's something they bought. I think the suits we see in STAGE 01 are the ones that belong to the pizzaria.