I think I've figured out Scott's Chica hint.

[Conveyus343]

OK. We all know Scott gave us a hint (and I quote exactly): "In the FNaF4 minigame, why would the tiny toy chica be missing her beak?" Of course, it made us all think of Toy Chica, which brings us right around to the whole year debate and I refuse to get into that.

But just dismissing it as Toy Chica bothered me. Since Scott clearly capitalized 'in' and 'FNaF', wouldn't he have capitalized 'toy chica' if he was literally referring to Toy Chica, the animatronic? Furthermore, what else is in that playground screen? The girl, holding her arms out straight out to the sides in a T-Pose (or crucifixion pose, whichever makes sense to you).

I believe Scott was never pointing us just to the toy figures at the girl's feet -- he's never that direct. The figures are meant to remind us about FNAF2, with the Toy and Withered animatronics. And the girl's T-Pose? It exactly matches the Withered Chica pose. But why?

Look closely at Withered Chica. See how the head and jaw are two completely separate pieces with just wires connecting them at the sides, where the jaw hinge should have been? How the endoskeleton doesn't quite fit in there, so the head is worn more like a hat? How the lower jaw is so big the only way the mouth opened was if the whole head popped up? Where have we seen that in any FNAF game? In FNAF4, if you look closely at the Fredbear animatronic, both worn and on stage.

The Withered animatronics of FNAF2 were once springlock suits!

FNAF3's phonecalls focused on a location that only had Spring Fredbear and Spring Bonnie suits -- the same location as FNAF4. But the 'sister location' is not necessarily bound to that same rule and could have had the whole crew (pre-Withered) in animatronic form with the same technology as what would have been current. Therefore, when Phone Guy mentions "After learning of an unfortunate incident at the sister location, involving multiple and simultaneous spring lock failures...", he's not talking about Spring Fredbear and/or Spring Bonnie. He's doing his usual half-truth hand-waving understating that he's done in every single game he's been in.

The 'multiple and simultaneous springlock failures' is referring to the Missing Child Incident, and Fazbear Entertainment covered it up as per their rules and regulations as stated in the FNAF1 Night 1 phonecall! That's why Scott included that specific phone call in FNAF4, played backwards as an ambient sound!

That's all I've got right now. I hope that IF my reasoning is correct, this will help unlock that box. Could anyone collaborate?

[Andy Z]

Only Scott can actually say if you're right, but here's something I notice.

It was Toy Chica in the FNAF 3 minigame who comforted the girl who would eventually become Chica.

[Conveyus343]

Originally posted by Andy Z:

Only Scott can actually say if you're right, but here's something I notice.

It was Toy Chica in the FNAF 3 minigame who comforted the girl who would eventually become Chica.

It would be amazing if Scott could reply to this in some way. Alas, I'm not sure if he'll ever see it.

And you are right, from what I can tell -- it was the Toy Chica minigame that unlocked the Chica Child for Happiest Day. The others may not be exactly 1-to-1 like that (I think?), but it seems Shadow Bonnie does unlock the Bonnie Child.

[Andy Z]

Originally posted by Conveyus343:

Originally posted by Andy Z:

Only Scott can actually say if you're right, but here's something I notice.

It was Toy Chica in the FNAF 3 minigame who comforted the girl who would eventually become Chica.

It would be amazing if Scott could reply to this in some way. Alas, I'm not sure if he'll ever see it.

And you are right, from what I can tell -- it was the Toy Chica minigame that unlocked the Chica Child for Happiest Day. The others may not be exactly 1-to-1 like that (I think?), but it seems Shadow Bonnie does unlock the Bonnie Child.

I haven't gotten to play 3 (or 2) yet, but someone tested it for me, and all of them are 1 for 1.

I've spent weeks trying to get Scott to respond, though, with no luck. Maybe you'll have an easier time than I did.

One idea I've had in the past is that Toy Chica's beak is broken because she caused the Bite of 87, but many people disagree.

[Conveyus343]

Originally posted by Andy Z:

I haven't gotten to play 3 (or 2) yet, but someone tested it for me, and all of them are 1 for 1.

I've spent weeks trying to get Scott to respond, though, with no luck. Maybe you'll have an easier time than I did.

One idea I've had in the past is that Toy Chica's beak is broken because she caused the Bite of 87, but many people disagree.

I hope Scott does, I really do, but I'm not begging for it either. If you're right and the FNAF3 minigame-children unlocks are 1-to-1, that would make a great deal of sense...

I think you're off on the Toy Chica idea. I think the beak being missing is purely a visual thing aimed right at the player. We've always been unsettled by Chica's mouth -- hanging open (FNAF1), frozen and torn 'open' (Withered FNAF2) -- so the only real way to get that across with Toy Chica would've been to remove the beak entirely. Otherwise, she really wouldn't have been that scary nor unique (He just copied FNAF1 Chica, etc).

[Andy Z]

I accept the possibility that I'm wrong. Only Scott knows for sure, and I'm hoping the Halloween update finally tells us.

[The Koolest Kid]

Problemo- the Withered Animatronics (based off of Withered Freddy's hands) were not springlock suits. 5-fingered suits seem to indicate what is a springlock suit and what isn't.

[Conveyus343]

Originally posted by Yee-Rex:

Problemo- the Withered Animatronics (based off of Withered Freddy's hands) were not springlock suits. 5-fingered suits seem to indicate what is a springlock suit and what isn't.

Point, but I do have a solution: The Withered animatronics were partially adapted to the Toy technology before FNAF2, which means things like the hands would have been easy to switch over. And if they never wanted to run the risk of someone using those suits in particular for bad things, or if they wanted to try to distance themselves from the incidents of the past, they would have made these particular suits with solid non-moving hands/fingers.

EDIT: There's still another reason. Spring Bonnie and Spring Fredbear were designed to be worn by an employee. What if the 'sister location' had their suits that utilized springtrap technology (retractable endoskeletons) but were not intended for employee wearing? The springtrap tech would be used to clean the suits and/or keep the suits in a 'sleep' mode so they don't wander when they aren't supposed to. Say... after hours? Why program a 'proper night mode' when you can just retract their endoskeletons and leave them where they are?

The reason the Nightmares have 5 fingers is because that's what the Crying Child is familiar with -- walking animatronics with five fingers. So combining his fear of the animatronics with what he has seen with them...

[Andy Z]

Originally posted by Yee-Rex:

Problemo- the Withered Animatronics (based off of Withered Freddy's hands) were not springlock suits. 5-fingered suits seem to indicate what is a springlock suit and what isn't.

I really hope you're right with this, though it makes sense.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150728225820/freddy-fazbears-pizza/images/f/f2/Fredbearcostume.png

Do you think that this is a costume, or an actual springlock?

[Conveyus343]

Originally posted by Andy Z:

Originally posted by Yee-Rex:

Problemo- the Withered Animatronics (based off of Withered Freddy's hands) were not springlock suits. 5-fingered suits seem to indicate what is a springlock suit and what isn't.

I really hope you're right with this, though it makes sense.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150728225820/freddy-fazbears-pizza/images/f/f2/Fredbearcostume.png

Do you think that this is a costume, or an actual springlock?

I believe it's a springlock. There are hinges at the side of the jaw, and the pose is exactly the same as Fredbear on stage. Remember all those warnings in the 'training tapes' in FNAF3? "Try not to nudge or press against any of the spring locks inside the suit. Do not touch the spring locks at any time." I would imagine moving the suit too much would cause the springlocks to fail, so the employee inside would stay as still as possible in the default pose of the suit.

[Andy Z]

Originally posted by Conveyus343:

Originally posted by Andy Z:

I really hope you're right with this, though it makes sense.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150728225820/freddy-fazbears-pizza/images/f/f2/Fredbearcostume.png

Do you think that this is a costume, or an actual springlock?

I believe it's a springlock. There are hinges at the side of the jaw, and the pose is exactly the same as Fredbear on stage. Remember all those warnings in the 'training tapes' in FNAF3? "Try not to nudge or press against any of the spring locks inside the suit. Do not touch the spring locks at any time." I would imagine moving the suit too much would cause the springlocks to fail, so the employee inside would stay as still as possible in the default pose of the suit.

If it is, then it's very difficult to claim that Freddy and Bonnie aren't also, and they pretty clearly have four fingers. That'd make them very difficult to wear for most people.

[gavtel]

Something that most people don't really consider as evidence but does anybody else remember the Golden Cupcake easter egg from FNaF3? It seems weird that Scott would include an easter egg like that and not have it appear again, not even at Fredbear's (true JJ didn't reappear but still). It's unknown WHO had it at Fredbear's if it was used there. There might have been a Chica at the location (since she's already yellow, she can be considered "golden") OR another character entirely who had the Golden Cupcake.

[Conveyus343]

Originally posted by gavtel:

Something that most people don't really consider as evidence but does anybody else remember the Golden Cupcake easter egg from FNaF3? It seems weird that Scott would include an easter egg like that and not have it appear again, not even at Fredbear's (true JJ didn't reappear but still). It's unknown WHO had it at Fredbear's if it was used there. There might have been a Chica at the location (since she's already yellow, she can be considered "golden") OR another character entirely who had the Golden Cupcake.

Well, think of the SAVEHIM FNAF2 minigame. We all pretty much agree that the setting of that game is meant to imply Fredbear's Family Diner, and the 'Freddy' in that game is carrying a cupcake. Perhaps 'handing out cake' to the six (or two, if mobile version) kids is less actually giving them cake, but giving them attention while carrying around a cupcake-like prop? I mean, this 'Freddy' doesn't have a microphone in this game, right?

[Rydi]

First of all, since this is something that bothers me whenever someone brings it up. Phone guy doesn't OWE anyone any information, if he wasn't meant to tell Mike about the bite of '87 or ALL the employees in the FNAF 3 training tapes about the incidents then he wouldn't have said ANYTHING at all! Why say something then have to resort to lying to "lower people's concerns"? NO! If you have to lie to lower people's concerns you just SHUT UP from the start and don't spill the beans. Period. Phone guy is not always as honest as he would want to, but you can't claim all he says is a lie. I won't accept it. *hardcore Phone guy defender xD*

Now, as for your theory in particular, I can understand how you arrived to these conclusions but I'm afraid they're not correct:

"FNAF3's phonecalls focused on a location that only had Spring Fredbear and Spring Bonnie suits -- the same location as FNAF4."

No. FNAF 4 has Fredbear, which is notGolden Freddy. FNAF 4 is Fredbear's Family Diner whereas FNAF 3's training tapes clearly tell you over and over again that it's a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza. FNAF 4 is the sister location where the springlock suits incidents happen. The five missing children incident happened at a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, not at Fredbear's Family Diner. You're getting locations and events mixed up.

"But the 'sister location' is not necessarily bound to that same rule and could have had the whole crew (pre-Withered) in animatronic form with the same technology as what would have been current."

You're mixing locations and events again. It's precisely Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, the one where the training tapes were recorded, that had Spring Bonnie & Golden Freddy as CLASSIC suits, meaning they already had "non-classic" animatronics, the new generation of non-wearable animatronics Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy. This is irrefutable because the murders of the five missing children happened in the first pizzeria and their corpses were stuffed into the animatronics, as you know. For the corpses to be stuffed into the animatronics they HAD to be there by necessity. Another reason why the first pizzeria managed to stay in business regardless of the springlock suits being decommissioned, they had other animatronics to entertain children with but Fredbear's Family Diner didn't have non-springlock suits, which unabled them to continue even if they hadn't been shut down over the death of the FNAF 4 child first xD

I don't think Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy were springlock suits. Withered Bonnie shows how there's really no hole in the lower side to fit a head into it. Wearing Foxy would be impossible unless you're a walking skeleton yourself, he's too slim and doesn't even have space for human legs in his mechanical legs. Chica shows her jaw is full of wires and metal parts connecting both the upper head and the jaw, it's clearly not meant to be put apart in order to wear it as a mask. Same with Freddy. None just look like they are wearable.

[Conveyus343]

Originally posted by Rydi:

First of all, since this is something that bothers me whenever someone brings it up. Phone guy doesn't OWE anyone any information, if he wasn't meant to tell Mike about the bite of '87 or ALL the employees in the FNAF 3 training tapes about the incidents then he wouldn't have said ANYTHING at all! Why say something then have to resort to lying to "lower people's concerns"? NO! If you have to lie to lower people's concerns you just SHUT UP from the start and don't spill the beans. Period. Phone guy is not always as honest as he would want to, but you can't claim all he says is a lie. I won't accept it. *hardcore Phone guy defender xD*

Fair enough. Perhaps it would have been more accurate that he is bound by his job to not throw the company in a bad light, so minimizing situations is far better than scaring the bejeezus out of employees who don't have access to all the information he does? Mind you, I truly do believe he's a decent guy in an extraordinary circumstance, but he has to put food on the table too!

Originally posted by Rydi:

Now, as for your theory in particular, I can understand how you arrived to these conclusions but I'm afraid they're not correct:

"FNAF3's phonecalls focused on a location that only had Spring Fredbear and Spring Bonnie suits -- the same location as FNAF4."

No. FNAF 4 has Fredbear, which is notGolden Freddy. FNAF 4 is Fredbear's Family Diner whereas FNAF 3's training tapes clearly tell you over and over again that it's a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza. FNAF 4 is the sister location where the springlock suits incidents happen. The five missing children incident happened at a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, not at Fredbear's Family Diner. You're getting locations and events mixed up.

"But the 'sister location' is not necessarily bound to that same rule and could have had the whole crew (pre-Withered) in animatronic form with the same technology as what would have been current."

You're mixing locations and events again. It's precisely Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, the one where the training tapes were recorded, that had Spring Bonnie & Golden Freddy as CLASSIC suits, meaning they already had "non-classic" animatronics, the new generation of non-wearable animatronics Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy. This is irrefutable because the murders of the five missing children happened in the first pizzeria and their corpses were stuffed into the animatronics, as you know. For the corpses to be stuffed into the animatronics they HAD to be there by necessity. Another reason why the first pizzeria managed to stay in business regardless of the springlock suits being decommissioned, they had other animatronics to entertain children with but Fredbear's Family Diner didn't have non-springlock suits, which unabled them to continue even if they hadn't been shut down over the death of the FNAF 4 child first xD

I completely grant that I might be mixing up events and locations. This time period is really difficult for me to keep straight as to who did what where and when. I believe we agree on the timeline, I just keep mixing up the details.

Originally posted by Rydi:

I don't think Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy were springlock suits. Withered Bonnie shows how there's really no hole in the lower side to fit a head into it. Wearing Foxy would be impossible unless you're a walking skeleton yourself, he's too slim and doesn't even have space for human legs in his mechanical legs. Chica shows her jaw is full of wires and metal parts connecting both the upper head and the jaw, it's clearly not meant to be put apart in order to wear it as a mask. Same with Freddy. None just look like they are wearable.

I don't believe they were /wearable/. I believe they utilized springlock technology and expanded on the autonomous movement/go towards sounds to make them Springlock 2.0, basically. The only usage of the springlocks would have been to mechanically 'freeze' the animatronics into a slumped/limp pile between nighttime closing and the next morning's opening (see Golden Freddy).

Remember, in FNAF2 Phone Guy states that technicians believe that the animatronics were never programmed with a proper 'night mode'. You wouldn't have needed to if you had a mechanical way to keep the animatronics from moving throughout the night. Use the handcrank to pull the endoskeleton into the frame, move to storage, turn out the lights, and lock up for the night.

[Rydi]

Originally posted by Conveyus343:

Fair enough. Perhaps it would have been more accurate that he is bound by his job to not throw the company in a bad light, so minimizing situations is far better than scaring the bejeezus out of employees who don't have access to all the information he does? Mind you, I truly do believe he's a decent guy in an extraordinary circumstance, but he has to put food on the table too!

Back to square one xD Non-Disclosure-Agreements exist precisely so that employees won't disclose confidential information that could potentially compromise the company. If Phone guy is held to one of these, he shouldn't be mentioning the bite of '87 or the Springlock incidents at all. If he simply doesn't want to scare people, why does he bring up the topic at all? Clearly Phone guy is allowed to spill the beans and is not lying when he says them. He never lied when he implied the bite of '87 victim survived, to not scare Mike into thinking the victim died, especially when on his first night he basically warned Mike he'd die a horrible death if the animatronics caught him xD That's what I call lowering people's concerns, yep!

Originally posted by Conveyus343:

Remember, in FNAF2 Phone Guy states that technicians believe that the animatronics were never programmed with a proper 'night mode'. You wouldn't have needed to if you had a mechanical way to keep the animatronics from moving throughout the night. Use the handcrank to pull the endoskeleton into the frame, move to storage, turn out the lights, and lock up for the night.

I see what you mean but, again, you're talking about events separated by 10 years of difference, you know? The first pizzeria had the Freddy crew already and they didn't have any trouble with them moving at night because for the 10 years that the first pizzeria remained open, the animatronics weren't haunted and thus didn't move at all during the night. The nightmode stuff starts in FNAF 2 with the "older models shouldn't be able to walk around but if they do..." and continues with FNAF 1 and Phone guy experimenting what the oddysee of being a nightguard in the flesh is like. So this leads me to my main point, they didn't need to keep them in place with the springlock technology because they simply didn't move because they weren't possessed.

In that minigame there are two things that Purple man could be possibly holding. The handcrank he just used to jump in and out of Golden Freddy to kill the children, and that somehow can tamper with Freddy... OR a flashlight that can cause a system restart on the older models.