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What you said about the backstage area is based purely on assumptions and as such, doesn't prove anything.
We have no evidence to suggest that the animatronics were taken from the old location to the FNAF 2 location immediately when the place was left to rot.
FNAF 1 animatronics don't have buttons, withered animatronics do. Buttons are present in the minigame. This doesn't mean they are different animatronics, just that they haven't yet had their FNAF 1 redesign yet, and they're essentially the withered animatronics after either being repaired, or before they fall into disrepair in the first place.
FNAF 1 Foxy's legs are uncovered, this minigame shows him being fully covered. Even if the buttons mean nothing, this means it can't have taken place after FNAF 1. The place was literally about to close and they would have no reason whatsoever to fix him up.
Animatronics get destroyed? Yes. Beyond repair? Not necessarily. Spirits released? Not permanently.
In FNAF 3, the spirits are still tethered to the physical forms to some degree (at least 30 years after these minigames take place). It's possible that while the animatronic's physical form is destroyed, the spirits remain tethered to it as the phantoms did (I'd actually wager the phantoms are what attacked Purple Man, and that's why he was so scared).
Purple Man was alive and well murdering children in FNAF 2. That means one of two things:
1) Minigame occurs before FNAF 2 and the two purple men are different people.
2) Minigame occurs after FNAF 2. Doesn't necessarily have to be after FNAF 1, it could be between the two games.
Golden Freddy isn't physically present in the restaurant. That's true, he isn't. Then again, neither is the Puppet. We know he's in there somewhere due to the cutscenes in FNAF 2.
However, I'd like to point out a few things:
1) The withered animatronics and the FNAF 1 animatronics are more or less the same animatronics, they're possessed by the same spirits and have essentially been rebuilt with a different design.
2) Why would FFP put their animatronics in the building before it was renovated?
3) I always assumed that the newspaper clippings were there for the same reason as the death minigames. They seem to be cries for help from the children. Just my opinion.
4)They didn't pass on because they had unfinished business. Remember Happiest Day? My guess is, they needed to apologise to the child they had wronged in order for them all to move on to the afterlife.
Listen to Phone Guy if you don't believe me then. There's no such thing as "Performer rooms", they are saferooms. Phone guy couldn't be more clear about it:
See? It's for material not currently in use and for employees in case of emergency. They used the saferoom to store the parts of the animatronics not currently used, as you could see in FNAF 4 Night 4 when the child gets stuck inside with the dead performer by his side. That was a saferoom. So was the one they had at the original Freddy Fazbear's Pizza. Why would they send Spring Bonnie to the saferoom until it was looked at by the technician if not because that was precisely the room dedicated to unused material and any repairing task?
After the crimes forced them to board the saferooms at most locations due to the safety breach it posed (off camera room where kids were killed? Uh Oh Bro!) they had to recondition one of their old rooms to store the material and animatronic parts they weren't currently using. When they got the new building in FNAF 2 they didn't include a saferoom after the threat it posed in the old location, so they reconditioned a room to be Parts & Service and store all those items that would have been sent to the saferoom in the past instead. In FNAF 1 they did have a saferoom but it was hidden behind a fake wall, for obvious reasons, so they had to recondition the backstage to store all these parts and unused material.
So whatever goes against your own interests is "an assumption and doesn't prove anything"? Nice game you're playing. You'd better retitle this thread and say "I will give a pat in the back to whomever agrees with what I say, the rest will just get ignored and their arguments disregarded".
The phantoms in FNAF 3 are summoned by Springtrap, they are NOT the real spirits. How can we be debating this still? ALL the animatronics are present in the first night and yet the night guard doesn't get attacked by any phantom, which would be the first thing to happen if the spirits were lingering in there. But they're no't, they've already moved on. Only the puppet remains. It's all Springtrap's doing, why do you think the phantoms have Springtrap's white eyes? To symbolize he's the one generating them!
So Withered animatronics have two buttons but you pull out of your rear that they haven't been fixed even though BONNIE HAS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN PLACE!!!???? WHO'S ASSUMING NOW? Good grief, with people using lame excuses to defend themselves against real arguments. Withered animatronics have two buttons but the animatronics on the stage have one, bonnie has his head in place and chica has her face repaired and HANDS IN PLACE TO HOLD A CUPCAKE! How can they not be repaired wholly? Those can't be the animatronics while they are withered, they are perfectly repaired! If they are readily repaired and meant to be the stars of the new restaurant, why would they leave them to rot in a rat plagued, water-leaking hell? Do they want them to be full of mold and rotten when the restaurant opens? Use common sense, please. If the animatornics are in relatively good state and left to rot with the restaurant, it's because the owners no longer have any use for them, not now not ever. They have accepted that the restaurant won't open its doors again, that's why the rest rooms are BOARDED UP!
Come up with as many excuses as you want but you're not right. And the cutscenes in FNAF 2 are labeled DREAMS in the gamefiles. So go figure.
Thought I'd tackle this one first. I did NOT say that. I said that they hadn't been redesigned yet, not that they hadn't been repaired.
Proof the animatronics are still possessed as of FNAF 3? Happiest Day.
The spirits do not move on until you achieve the good ending. The good ending does not occur in the past, otherwise we would be unable to influence it in the present.
That's the one major issue with the minigames taking place between the first two games.
You have the audacity to accuse me of pulling stuff out of my rear, yet you insist that the backstage area was built as a replacement to the safe room?
You merely gave an explanation as to why they might do something like that, there's no evidence whatsoever that they DID do that.
No. They don't depart to the other side until they are all together (the puppet isn't released from his physical body until fazbear's fright burns it to the ground) but the spirits are clearly NOT inside the suits and they are definitely not under anyone's control anymore. The guard or you for that matter don't do anything, the minigames represent the children coming to terms with their unfair fate and the tragedy that robbed them of their lives. We just trigger the games not because we're the ones comforting the children but because it's the only way the player has of finding the real story. Each time an animatronic gives cake to one crying child, a new masked spirit representing an animatornic appears in the happiest day minigame. Yet, all the phantoms still haunt the night guard even when all the masked spirits are at the happiest day party. Phantoms = Springtrap's creation, they aren't the spirits of the children.
As I said, all the animatronic parts and suits are in the attraction before springtrap arrives, why didn't the phantoms make an appearance to the night guard on night 1 if they were linked to their old animatronic bodies? Why do they only appear when Springtrap arrives to the attraction and why do they have these terrorific white eyes? Maybe because everything points to them being created by Springtrap to torture the guard and make him easy prey?
The saferooms gave them hell in the past and they almost got them shut down if they hadn't boarded up the saferoom in time before the police found out. They had to board the saferooms up because they were offcamera rooms where children had been killed, that's a major security breach that would get them shut down in less than it takes to say "pizza". They boarded it up in the original restaurant, the one where the crimes were committed, with Spring Bonnie inside 10 years ago. They return to this restaurant 10 years later in FNAF 1. But they can't use the saferoom because it was boarded up a decade ago after the murders. So they need a new place to store all their material and do repairment tasks, they used another of their existing rooms for this = Backstage http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140824011020/five-nights-at-freddys/images/2/21/Backstage_Bonnie.png http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/freddy-fazbears-pizza/images/9/95/340.png/revision/latest?cb=20150703213939
FNAF 2 was a new building and we know they didn't have a saferoom either for the same reason I already stated, it was a huge risk. So they used another room to store all their stuff: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/freddy-fazbears-pizza/images/e/e0/Parts_-_Service_Door.png/revision/latest?cb=20141021231701 http://orig00.deviantart.net/8058/f/2014/326/a/8/parts_and_service_room_by_cilandpfangirl-d879tlc.png
It's simple logic: can't use old storage room because of risks and murder weapons --> still need a storage room --> find a new storage room --> ??? ---> Profit.
I'm giving you evidence, you just disregard it because it doesn't fit your interests.
Spring Bonnie is nowhere to be found in FNAF 1 and neither is Golden Freddy apart from being a ghost, that means the springlock suits were not in use at all during FNAF 1, there's not even a drawing of them which means the kids never got to see them. They were decommissioned in the past, therefore the phone calls in FNAF 3 also belong to the past. We also never see spring bonnie in the backstage or anywhere if he was simply decommissioned and not in use rather than sealed off in the saferoom like I suggest. So where is spring bonnie if not sealed inside the boarded up saferoom? How could purple man find the suit, take it to the saferoom and die in it if it was nowhere to be found in the restaurant?
If that minigame happens before FNAF 1, FNAF 1 wouldn't have animatronics and even if they managed to put them together, they wouldn't be haunted (no matter how hard you try to believe so, the spirits left the pizzeria, it couldn't be more obvious that they are not tied to the suits anymore) and Phone guy would still be alive. But alas, Phone guy's death shows us that the animatronics were never dismantled and the spirits released before the end of FNAF 1. Which means the minigame happens after fnaf 1, but the phone calls about the saferoom being boarded up date to the past, to the original restaurant.
But then, if the saferoom was taken down by Purple man and then he died inside with the door wide open. Why didn't Springtrap escape? For the same reason the animatronics couldn't enter the saferoom when Purple Freddy lured them there. They are spirits bound to animatronic suits, they are bound to their programming! That means they can't enter the saferoom because as Phone guy says, it's not included in their digital map layout and it's invisible to them. So how can Springtrap escape a room his programming claims doesn't exist? How can he leave a room that's invisible to him? He spent 30 years in a permanent ERR mode, not able to move an inch until the guys at fazbear's fright set him free. A fitting curse for a murderer, if you ask me.
But, of course, I'm making all this up because I have a wild imagination, it's definitely not explained in the game in aaaaany way. Nope :)
These apparitions confirm that the spirits don't need a body to linger, they can manifest in other ways (Shadow Freddy, Shadow Bonnie, newspaper clippings, moving heads in Backstage, etc). This means that the spirits of the children could still linger there, without their animatronic bodies (like a certain Golden Animatronic does ALL THE TIME). As for who many of these apparitions are, they're deceased guards (how else would the Phone Guy know about people being stuffed into Freddy suits by the animatronics if it hadn't happened at least once before (he mentions it in both FNaF1 and 2, confirming that the animatronics have been stuffing guards since the kids were killed)). Why don't the guard's spirits leave then, if they don't have to stay there (because they haven't passed on, that's why, same applies to 6 of the kids, who not only haunt the newer versions of the animatronics but continued to linger on for many years, as we can see in FNaF3).
The building burns down in either ending, it's an event that happens whether the kids pass on or not, meaning that the Puppet EVEN if it was burnt, it wouldn't pass on after it was burned for no reason. It had to have a reason to pass on, something else it regretted in its life. Although people try to tie in the FNaF4 kid and his bullies to every little thing in the series, that kid HEARD his brother and friends apologising already so why would they need to apologise again IF they really ARE the spirits haunting the animatronics. Simple, Happiest Day ISN'T a physical place that the spirits just went to (by the time of Fazbear's Fright, a lot of the locations of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza are dark, rotten and forgotten, unlike the colourful bright happy place it's shown to be), like you seem to suggest with the other 5 spirits (who were supposedly released by the Toys). It's all made up in somebody's mind, whether it's the guard's or the spirits themselves.
I know the "making stuff up" thing may seem to apply to me with this post but I am coming up with valid evidence from the games. Scott seems to want us to think outside the box, hence the locked box in FNaF4. He won't reveal it, unless we find a way to think outside the box, within reason though of course (so no Cupcake / fan is the killer theories would be correct but as long as makes decent sense the story could work).
If its before FNAF 1, like you said, then why aren't there just broken pieces jumping out at you, instead of animatronics?
Your theory of it taking place before FNAF 1 has been disproven
EDIT: Fixed
*Tips Hat*
Goodbye, gentalmen.
Like:
"if they really did leave, then explain why there's a whole bunch of apparitions around the FNaF1 and FNaF2 buildings"
The spirits leave in 1993 after the pizzeria is closed forever and doesn't reopen again? So why would that affect apparitions in events that happened in the past?
That's precisely the argument to back my theory up, if the spirits passed on and the animatronics are no longer haunted, they can remain in the pizzeria, no big deal, but the animatronics wouldn't attack Phone guy or Mike, they have no control over robots once they're released from them (if they even had the funds to rebuild them from scratch after purple man dismantled them, cause they were destroyed beyond repair, whatever Azurphoenix thinks). So they would be around to change posters and do creepy it's me apparitions but not to corner and / or kill phone guy and mike. And we know they did attack them both, so how would that be possible if the minigame had happened before FNAF 1? The children left the animatronics, no one is there to force them back into the suits (if they were ever rebuilt, that is). So every way to sunday, the minigame has to happen after FNAF 1 is closed for good.
The apparitions in FNAF 1 are of Bonnie and Freddy, possessed suits by children. Then we have Golden Freddy, which doesn't have a real suit. Which means apparitions aren't tied to physical bodies in order to appear, they can come from animatronics or free spirits.
However, I doubt the guards are doing anything in those locations. We know they die because Phone guy is probably the one to find out the corpses inside the freddy suits in the backstage xD Or maybe Phone guy is literal when he says "Most people don’t last this long. I mean, you know, they usually move on to other things by now. I'm not implying that they died. Th-th-that’s not what I meant" and they didn't die xD they just got scared and ran away to find a job as a dishwasher.
All evidence points towards Shadow Bonnie being a day performer rather than a guard but he died at FNAF 4 in one of the springlock failures (the guy we see in Night 4) not at the hands of the animatronics. Purple/Shadow Freddy for me is not a supernatural entity, it's just a representation of Purple man wearing Golden Freddy suit.
The building burning down makes or breaks the story you see. If the spirits don't come to terms with their deaths, they won't be able to depart to the afterlife, they won't be at the happiest day party even if the puppet does because he's finally released from his body. And if they come to terms with their deaths but the puppet never arrives, Golden Freddy can't come to terms with his death and none of them can depart either. They have to go at once. That's why it's important for us to see them coming to terms with what happened so that when the building finally burns to ashes and the puppet is released, all the spirits will be ready to go together.
The suits aren't haunted, the masks at the end of FNAF 3 signify that they haven't come to terms with their past and they still have unfinished business here. When they finally find peace of mind and they go together, the lights go off. The masks are metaphorical, they don't mean that the spirits are inside beheaded animatronic bodies or heads.
The reason why it's full animatronics jumpscaring you is because they were rebuilt from scratch, with a lower budget (which is why they have Endoskeletons with less parts, they aren't made of a plastic like the Toys were, why there's less characters and why Foxy's out of order (they barely managed to fit it within their budget, so when the kids tried to take Foxy apart, like they did with Mangle, the company couldn't afford to put it completely together again and left him as he was in FNaF1, with rips in his costume)).
Since the Endoskeletons of the Old Animatronics were destroyed when the Purple Guy destroyed the animatronics, new ones were built to replace them.
I even mentioned this in the comment you were replying to, if you actually read it, "-By destroying the Withered Animatronics which were going to be used for a re-opening of the location, it forces Fazbear Entertainment to make new ones (aka the FNaF1 Animatronics, which would explain why they look different / have different and smaller endoskeletons (the endoskeletons were destroyed by the Purple Guy when he tore them apart and due to the smaller budget, they were forced to make smaller endoskeletons))"
This company is not opposed to hiding incriminating evidence to save their own ass. It takes them 90 days after you get injured/killed for them to file a report about it.
I'm legitimately unsure whether you're supporting me or attacking me xD I don't know how to answer, please elaborate maybe?