[spoilers] Question about the ending

[404_Not_Found]

Eeeeeeeeyeah so here's a tidbit: I never beat the original. I got about a third of the way through Mt. Horu before I said screw it and started a new save, I restarted the game and actually played it around 3 times but never saw the final cutscene or did the final (annoying) escape sequence (it's mostly the camera, that is really quite bad) soooo having just beaten the DE version of the game, I have to ask:

Is the ending different in this one or did the zero punctuation video on the original game just flat-out get the story wrong?

I'm not bothered by it (I actually like how the game ended) but I'm just kinda curious. Wouldn't surprise me if it's the latter either really, that guy is one of my favorite comedians but he's terrible about getting his facts right with indie games and it makes all his videos about them not funny. ):

[Nazemec]

Instead of referring to a sarcastic and (mostly) stupid video (I just watched it, wish I hadn't), why don't you watch actual game footage from the original version and compre it yourself? :P

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Originally posted by Nazemec:

Instead of referring to a sarcastic and (mostly) stupid video (I just watched it, wish I hadn't), why don't you watch actual game footage from the original version and compre it yourself? :P

Sorry I asked. :l

[Nazemec]

Originally posted by 404_Not_Found:

Originally posted by Nazemec:

Instead of referring to a sarcastic and (mostly) stupid video (I just watched it, wish I hadn't), why don't you watch actual game footage from the original version and compre it yourself? :P

Sorry I asked. :l

I didn't want to sound mean, sorry. :x

Thing is, when you can get an answer really fast by checking yourself, why would you take a longer time waiting for someone to answer (if anyone ever does)? I don't want to be rude, that's a real question I've been asking myself for years... And I still can't understand it. x)
(Writing "you", but I mean in general. Not especially you.)

[404_Not_Found]

Originally posted by WolandPL:

The story in this game is IMO really good, but to be honest it's rather simple; it does not bombard you with thousands of dialogs, moral choices, world filled with shades of gray etc., which means it also doesn't give much to work with when it comes to comedy. There isn't much to laugh at, so probably when someone was very desperate when writing an article or making a movie, in the end it all came out just wrong. Which hurts the game and developers after all if the guy has large audience.

I didn't notice any differences in the endings, they seem to be identical.

It's all about one of the strongest if not actually the strongest thing that exists in this world: a mother's love. A mother will do anything to save her child. Let's keep it that way :) And I recommend you watch the original ending without any commentary or editing. Give it a "fresh look".

(Sorry for mistakes, learning english)

That answers my question then. It's not a matter of lack of content either, it's just this particular comedian doesn't like to play indie games and only does it when there's a full-stop on big releases, and usually mashes 2 games into one video. I can't tell if the level of dismissal is part of the act though.

Originally posted by Nazemec:

Originally posted by 404_Not_Found:

Sorry I asked. :l

I didn't want to sound mean, sorry. :x

Thing is, when you can get an answer really fast by checking yourself, why would you take a longer time waiting for someone to answer (if anyone ever does)? I don't want to be rude, that's a real question I've been asking myself for years... And I still can't understand it. x)
(Writing "you", but I mean in general. Not especially you.)

Can't speak for everyone but my reason is pretty basic: I couldn't find the answer in text and I don't like watching people play games. I'll watch people make fun of games as long as I know they're not trying to be serious reviewers or something but that's pretty much why I do it.

[Xryleth]

Yeah, his review wasn't great from what I remember. He tends to be a bit dismissive to begin with, but I don't think he really understood the subtext of the story, however simple it may be. Not going to bother rewatching his review, so I can't comment on the specific things he said, just that it didn't feel very professional to me when I did see it.

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Originally posted by Xryleth:

Yeah, his review wasn't great from what I remember. He tends to be a bit dismissive to begin with, but I don't think he really understood the subtext of the story, however simple it may be. Not going to bother rewatching his review, so I can't comment on the specific things he said, just that it didn't feel very professional to me when I did see it.

long story short he said everyone who died came back to life again and everything was fine. ;v

uh, I didn't see that happen. :V

hard to believe this is the same dude who spoiled fable 3 for me and I din't even know it until after I played it and realized everything he made fun of was actually true. Oops I guess.

[Stormspark]

Originally posted by Xryleth:

Yeah, his review wasn't great from what I remember. He tends to be a bit dismissive to begin with, but I don't think he really understood the subtext of the story, however simple it may be. Not going to bother rewatching his review, so I can't comment on the specific things he said, just that it didn't feel very professional to me when I did see it.

If you're referring to Zero Punctuation, that's what he does. He makes sarcastic complaining comments even about the best games. He's a comedian. If you want an actual review of games, those aren't the things for you to watch.

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Originally posted by Saerydoth:

Originally posted by Xryleth:

Yeah, his review wasn't great from what I remember. He tends to be a bit dismissive to begin with, but I don't think he really understood the subtext of the story, however simple it may be. Not going to bother rewatching his review, so I can't comment on the specific things he said, just that it didn't feel very professional to me when I did see it.

If you're referring to Zero Punctuation, that's what he does. He makes sarcastic complaining comments even about the best games. He's a comedian. If you want an actual review of games, those aren't the things for you to watch.

what if you want good comedy?

Making fun of something is only funny if you don't just outright get your facts wrong, that was what ruined his starbound segment for me too, he slipped up and said what was the point of exploring a universe if the planets are infinite? They're not. It was such an obviously bad mistake I couldn't tell if he was trying to take the piss out of himself, deliberately bait the fans, or just really made a mistake but either way it wasn't funny to be wrong. I think his ori video is pretty much ruined for me now and I found parts of it hilarious just for their relatability by how far I'd gotten in the game at the point of watching it.

And he's been wrong several times with indie games now. I miss the days when he used to at least try to play games that I like and make fun of them properly. ): At least the stardew valley one was pretty good.

[Xryleth]

Originally posted by 404_Not_Found:

Originally posted by Xryleth:

Yeah, his review wasn't great from what I remember. He tends to be a bit dismissive to begin with, but I don't think he really understood the subtext of the story, however simple it may be. Not going to bother rewatching his review, so I can't comment on the specific things he said, just that it didn't feel very professional to me when I did see it.

long story short he said everyone who died came back to life again and everything was fine. ;v

uh, I didn't see that happen. :V

hard to believe this is the same dude who spoiled fable 3 for me and I din't even know it until after I played it and realized everything he made fun of was actually true. Oops I guess.

Right, I do remember him complaining about Naru's revival. Honestly though, it tied into the ending well, it gives Gumo more character development, and it was established right at the end of the prologue that the spirit tree's light CAN revive, as I'm fairly certain Ori actually dies at that point. The light vessel, housing a lot of the spirit tree's light, could arguably do the same thing. Add in Gumo was watching you as you brought the food back to Naru, and for a while after, and he clearly knew what happened.

But I wouldn't call everything fine by any means. Kuro's genocidal attack still took the lives of dozens of Spirit Guardians based on the attack cutscene, and resulted in the unintentional killing of the entire Gumon race besides Gumo himself. Plus the new life that flourished in the blinded forest ended up having to die as a result of the forest needing to be lit once more, the enemies you kill may seem like vermin but they likely wouldn't have lived in the forest if it hadn't been blinded in the first place. Add in Kuro and most of her hatchlings still being quite dead, and it's not quite a perfectly happy ending.

The fact that Kuro's hatchling will still have a loving parent, that Naru was able to live and see her adopted child again, Gumo was able to find companionship despite the loss of his people, that the forest could begin to regrow, and a new generations of spirit guardians can be born is where the good parts come in for the ending. But that doesn't change the damage that was done.

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Originally posted by Xryleth:

Originally posted by 404_Not_Found:

long story short he said everyone who died came back to life again and everything was fine. ;v

uh, I didn't see that happen. :V

hard to believe this is the same dude who spoiled fable 3 for me and I din't even know it until after I played it and realized everything he made fun of was actually true. Oops I guess.

Right, I do remember him complaining about Naru's revival. Honestly though, it tied into the ending well, it gives Gumo more character development, and it was established right at the end of the prologue that the spirit tree's light CAN revive, as I'm fairly certain Ori actually dies at that point. The light vessel, housing a lot of the spirit tree's light, could arguably do the same thing. Add in Gumo was watching you as you brought the food back to Naru, and for a while after, and he clearly knew what happened.

But I wouldn't call everything fine by any means. Kuro's genocidal attack still took the lives of dozens of Spirit Guardians based on the attack cutscene, and resulted in the unintentional killing of the entire Gumon race besides Gumo himself. Plus the new life that flourished in the blinded forest ended up having to die as a result of the forest needing to be lit once more, the enemies you kill may seem like vermin but they likely wouldn't have lived in the forest if it hadn't been blinded in the first place. Add in Kuro and most of her hatchlings still being quite dead, and it's not quite a perfectly happy ending.

The fact that Kuro's hatchling will still have a loving parent, that Naru was able to live and see her adopted child again, Gumo was able to find companionship despite the loss of his people, that the forest could begin to regrow, and a new generations of spirit guardians can be born is where the good parts come in for the ending. But that doesn't change the damage that was done.

Yeah I noticed but I do have one problem: how are they all going to raise and owlet that obviously can't survive in the light? That was my first thought...

Also I think all the enemies you kill are actually zombie animals to begin with, it's kind of implied early on that they're corrupted in some way.

[Xryleth]

The implication many people have taken is that first off, the egg glowed when Ori touched it, early contact like that may help it to survive the light. The second bit is, it's not light itself that seems harmful to them, but the sheer intensity of the spirit tree's light ceremony. The game already made it clear that the tree was unaware of Kuro's presence in the forest, and that the deaths of her hatchlings was an unfortunate accident as a result.

As for the creatures in the forest, the chargers appear to be normal animals, but the baneling variation seems like it might be corrupted. The leapers, Sien refers to in a negative way, specifically when she says "THEY are coming". And then aside from the spiders and the projectile frog creatures, most enemies seem to be a variant on some sort of grub-like creature, larval states that crawl around and shoot spines, larger ones that shoot mortar shots form the ground, and then even bigger ones capable of leaping from the ground(the minibosses). There are also fairly normal looking fish, and those sort of elemental rock/energy creatures, but I don't know what to make of the latter.

My point though, was that if they are animals that specifically were better adepted to the forest in it's blinded state, and flourished for the years that the forest was blind, that implies their subsequent purge could have prevented if they never had a chance to flourish in the first place. Even if they are enemies of the spirit guardians, they do appear very much alive, so I'd consider them further casualties to the actions of the spirit tree and Kuro.

[Hadriel]

Well considering Naru could survive daytime and all despite being creature of dark, and Kuro only got vaporized by the massive rebirth blast of the spirit tree when she returned Sein to it, I'd say the owlet will be fine. I mean, its basically sitting there in the sun and about to hatch just fine before credits roll.

[404_Not_Found]

Originally posted by Xryleth:

The implication many people have taken is that first off, the egg glowed when Ori touched it, early contact like that may help it to survive the light. The second bit is, it's not light itself that seems harmful to them, but the sheer intensity of the spirit tree's light ceremony. The game already made it clear that the tree was unaware of Kuro's presence in the forest, and that the deaths of her hatchlings was an unfortunate accident as a result.

As for the creatures in the forest, the chargers appear to be normal animals, but the baneling variation seems like it might be corrupted. The leapers, Sien refers to in a negative way, specifically when she says "THEY are coming". And then aside from the spiders and the projectile frog creatures, most enemies seem to be a variant on some sort of grub-like creature, larval states that crawl around and shoot spines, larger ones that shoot mortar shots form the ground, and then even bigger ones capable of leaping from the ground(the minibosses). There are also fairly normal looking fish, and those sort of elemental rock/energy creatures, but I don't know what to make of the latter.

My point though, was that if they are animals that specifically were better adepted to the forest in it's blinded state, and flourished for the years that the forest was blind, that implies their subsequent purge could have prevented if they never had a chance to flourish in the first place. Even if they are enemies of the spirit guardians, they do appear very much alive, so I'd consider them further casualties to the actions of the spirit tree and Kuro.

Dunno, I am not sure if they're really thriving considering they will swarm you - maybe they also want the light back and just don't know how to get it. It's also implied they lived there before seeing as they drop spirit light and sein says all the light will be returned to the tree in the end, that's why I thought they were just corrupted monsters of animals that used to be fine.

Although it wouldn't surprise me if the spiders were still jerks even in a purified state. >_>

And honestly, if the spirit tree is supposed to be god, maybe he should pay more attention to what kind of creatures live in his forest before he goes and does something that kills babies next time. :l

Originally posted by Hadriel:

Well considering Naru could survive daytime and all despite being creature of dark, and Kuro only got vaporized by the massive rebirth blast of the spirit tree when she returned Sein to it, I'd say the owlet will be fine. I mean, its basically sitting there in the sun and about to hatch just fine before credits roll.

Yeah I thought she was some kind of sloth in the original but I guess she's supposed to be a mole so that would make sense. I remember when I played the new section with her story thinking "if I didn't know how this story went from the original game I'd think her dad was a jerk but I guess he just knew what's up."

[Hadriel]

Yes, its implied he overreacted, thinking she'd get rekt from overexposure when in truth they were just playing ball.