Ori and the Blind Forest: Definitive Edition

Ori and the Blind Forest: Definitive Edition

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Gaming Tester Jan 13, 2018 @ 10:22pm
Why Kuro doesn't fly away after placing the orb?
She could have save her life, couldn't she? :steamfacepalm:
Originally posted by TheLordEternal:
Originally posted by Gaming Tester:
It's true that she pays for what she have done. But what about the tree? If Kuro does not revenge; I believe that the tree would pay nothing. Why? Because the tree is too powerful that It can not afford to taking care of those small things! It can't even look for its own child!

I have 2 theories. First, the blast only means to take out the fire and calm the mountant. Ori is quite close, so if she can fly to there, she can still be alive.
Second, the blast means to take out its enemies. The fire and Kuro are on the blacklist. So they must be annihilated. If it's true, the tree is nothing but a real monster of the jungle. :steamsad:

Power does not equal capability, Otherwise you'd be able to see everything and do anything once you were to get your hands on a nuclear bomb.
The tree is not an infallible God of the forest. It is an ancient being for sure, But that does not grant it all-sight nor prevent it from making mistakes.

Also, it did try to look for Ori. Remember the pretty light-show at the start of the game, the one that perished Kuro's children?
When Ori first saw it, they seemed mesmerized by it, and they would likely have traveled to the tree if Naru hadn't brought them back to their cave. This caused the light ceremony to go on for much longer than it would have normally, in fact it was interrupted before it was even finished because Kuro flew there and ripped out Sein, Dooming the forest to a slow decay and starvation over the seasons that followed.
From that you could almost say it was Naru's fault, For selfishly preventing Ori, Her adoptive child from leaving.
But you can't really blame a mother for not wanting their child to leave now, can you.


For the second, The blast was indeed to calm the mountain, But i think that Kuro perishing was just an unfortunate effect of her and the tree having opposing physical natures.
The tree is a being of Light, and it interacts with the world using that light. Everything from Sein, which allows it to see across the forest, To its children which are spirits made from light.

But Kuro on the other hand is a being of Dark, And the two are as separate like Day and Night.
And when the burst of, Raw, Concentrated Light energy was released, it had the side-effect of banishing all the Dark energy that Kuro was composed from, Leading to her demise.
The process can probably be likened to the meeting of Matter and Anti-Matter, Equivalently annihilating each other as they cancel each other out. There was just more of the light than there was of the owl.

But we also see that neither Light nor Dark is evil in its nature.
In Ori we see it in their kindness, as even though after Gumo had been nothing but a jerk to them, Ori still showed him kindness by helping him out from the rocks that had trapped him.
We also see in Naru's past that Light and Dark can co-exist peacefully, As the young Naru plays with the two light-sprites born of the tree, Eki, And Sol.


Lastly, there's also the chance that the tree itself is the reason the forest is so prosperous and life-filled. During the prologue the trees at Naru's home were filled to the brim with fruit, but once Kuro steals Sein, the years of decay that follows soon strip even the bark of it's vitality.
It is the spirit tree's light that powers the three elements of the forest and ensures the balance.
Without it, The waters stagnate, The winds grow still, And the fire spiral out of control.
It appears that the forest's prosperity, And its Light, which the Gumo even harvested allowing them to develop wondrous technologies, Comes directly from the tree itself.

The tree is not the monster of the forest. There are no monsters in this story.
There's only parents guided by their desire to protect their children.
From the Spirit tree that lost Ori in the Great Storm, And then sought to bring them back.
To Naru, who did not want their child to leave, taking Ori back to the cave in her worried will.
And lastly, Kuro, Who had lost her children and in rage sought to ensure it would never happen again, Inadvertently dooming the forest by breaking the balance.
She even chases after Ori to ensure they will not endanger her last child, which ironically puts her child, and the forest itself, on a path towards destruction.

Just goes to show there's nothing more dangerous than a parent's love.
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skydiamand Jan 14, 2018 @ 12:57am 
I dont think she could be fast enough. Remember how farr the owlets where and still died when the power of the light wasnt that strong.
There was no way she could survive
Gaming Tester Jan 14, 2018 @ 5:51am 
This plot for Kuro is a pain in my *ss. Why she is the only one who sacrifice? She is a innocent owl, a good mother but she have to pay her life and her children for a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ action of the tree? Dis makes no sense! :steamsad:
Last edited by Gaming Tester; Jan 14, 2018 @ 5:52am
skydiamand Jan 14, 2018 @ 8:25am 
actualy the tree isnt to blame, its just an accident. he didnt knew that the light would cause that damage. and to be honest what kuro did wasnt right. making a whole forest suffer and killing creatures who where innocent is not really a good move.
also Kuro seem to be knowing way too mutch. a normal owl would be sad for a week and then move on afther that.
for me the reasons that kuro attackted the tree doesnt justefy her actions. the tree also did wrong but not intentional and thats a big difference.
7Mares Jan 14, 2018 @ 12:56pm 
Light speed > Really big owl
LinkSamus3 Jan 14, 2018 @ 2:22pm 
Originally posted by skydiamand:
I dont think she could be fast enough. Remember how farr the owlets where and still died when the power of the light wasnt that strong.
There was no way she could survive
Something like that. When you see the size of the light explosion after that, I don't think she could have gotten far enough anyway.
Gaming Tester Jan 15, 2018 @ 7:41am 
Remember the tree took a quite long time to make the explosion that really burst Kuro into dust. She's just standing there and covering her eyes while she could fly far enough to take the least damage possible from the tree.
Gaming Tester Jan 15, 2018 @ 8:08am 
Originally posted by skydiamand:
...and to be honest what kuro did wasnt right...
Depends on the perspective. In the eyes of jungle creatures, She's a criminal that need to punish by death penalty. At the very end, the jungle have their 'win'. But in the eyes of Kuro, she only knows that the tree is the killer that takes all 3 children of her away. And It. Must. Pay. :steamsad:

Originally posted by skydiamand:
...a normal owl would be sad for a week and then move on afther that...
Depends on what kind of 'personality' of Kuro is. Some 'people' will be sad, depressed when they're hurt. Some will burst their rage. And as you can see, Kuro is the 'rage' type. In the jungle that every creatures hate her (Especially the worms, I think they're the happiest creature in the jungle when they know Kuro and her children are dead), she cannot be that normal owl.
Exactly. But the final was some sort of... paying for everything she done. that's just my opinion.
And seems the blast would annihalate her even around a kilometer away.
Gaming Tester Jan 18, 2018 @ 7:51am 
(We're having an open, quality discussion here; so don't be shy; let your words out! :steamhappy: )

Originally posted by TheHopelessThrumbo:
...the final was some sort of... paying for everything she done...
It's true that she pays for what she have done. But what about the tree? If Kuro does not revenge; I believe that the tree would pay nothing. Why? Because the tree is too powerful that It can not afford to taking care of those small things! It can't even look for its own child!

Originally posted by TheHopelessThrumbo:
...And seems the blast would annihalate her even around a kilometer away.
I have 2 theories. First, the blast only means to take out the fire and calm the mountant. Ori is quite close, so if she can fly to there, she can still be alive.
Second, the blast means to take out its enemies. The fire and Kuro are on the blacklist. So they must be annihilated. If it's true, the tree is nothing but a real monster of the jungle. :steamsad:
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TheLordEternal Jan 20, 2018 @ 11:58am 
Originally posted by Gaming Tester:
It's true that she pays for what she have done. But what about the tree? If Kuro does not revenge; I believe that the tree would pay nothing. Why? Because the tree is too powerful that It can not afford to taking care of those small things! It can't even look for its own child!

I have 2 theories. First, the blast only means to take out the fire and calm the mountant. Ori is quite close, so if she can fly to there, she can still be alive.
Second, the blast means to take out its enemies. The fire and Kuro are on the blacklist. So they must be annihilated. If it's true, the tree is nothing but a real monster of the jungle. :steamsad:

Power does not equal capability, Otherwise you'd be able to see everything and do anything once you were to get your hands on a nuclear bomb.
The tree is not an infallible God of the forest. It is an ancient being for sure, But that does not grant it all-sight nor prevent it from making mistakes.

Also, it did try to look for Ori. Remember the pretty light-show at the start of the game, the one that perished Kuro's children?
When Ori first saw it, they seemed mesmerized by it, and they would likely have traveled to the tree if Naru hadn't brought them back to their cave. This caused the light ceremony to go on for much longer than it would have normally, in fact it was interrupted before it was even finished because Kuro flew there and ripped out Sein, Dooming the forest to a slow decay and starvation over the seasons that followed.
From that you could almost say it was Naru's fault, For selfishly preventing Ori, Her adoptive child from leaving.
But you can't really blame a mother for not wanting their child to leave now, can you.


For the second, The blast was indeed to calm the mountain, But i think that Kuro perishing was just an unfortunate effect of her and the tree having opposing physical natures.
The tree is a being of Light, and it interacts with the world using that light. Everything from Sein, which allows it to see across the forest, To its children which are spirits made from light.

But Kuro on the other hand is a being of Dark, And the two are as separate like Day and Night.
And when the burst of, Raw, Concentrated Light energy was released, it had the side-effect of banishing all the Dark energy that Kuro was composed from, Leading to her demise.
The process can probably be likened to the meeting of Matter and Anti-Matter, Equivalently annihilating each other as they cancel each other out. There was just more of the light than there was of the owl.

But we also see that neither Light nor Dark is evil in its nature.
In Ori we see it in their kindness, as even though after Gumo had been nothing but a jerk to them, Ori still showed him kindness by helping him out from the rocks that had trapped him.
We also see in Naru's past that Light and Dark can co-exist peacefully, As the young Naru plays with the two light-sprites born of the tree, Eki, And Sol.


Lastly, there's also the chance that the tree itself is the reason the forest is so prosperous and life-filled. During the prologue the trees at Naru's home were filled to the brim with fruit, but once Kuro steals Sein, the years of decay that follows soon strip even the bark of it's vitality.
It is the spirit tree's light that powers the three elements of the forest and ensures the balance.
Without it, The waters stagnate, The winds grow still, And the fire spiral out of control.
It appears that the forest's prosperity, And its Light, which the Gumo even harvested allowing them to develop wondrous technologies, Comes directly from the tree itself.

The tree is not the monster of the forest. There are no monsters in this story.
There's only parents guided by their desire to protect their children.
From the Spirit tree that lost Ori in the Great Storm, And then sought to bring them back.
To Naru, who did not want their child to leave, taking Ori back to the cave in her worried will.
And lastly, Kuro, Who had lost her children and in rage sought to ensure it would never happen again, Inadvertently dooming the forest by breaking the balance.
She even chases after Ori to ensure they will not endanger her last child, which ironically puts her child, and the forest itself, on a path towards destruction.

Just goes to show there's nothing more dangerous than a parent's love.
TheHopelessThrumbo Jan 21, 2018 @ 12:59am 
Seems closed, you collected everything we know and shown it.
+1
CricketStyleJ Feb 21, 2018 @ 1:37pm 
I believe that the tree is the villain of the story.

I think we all agree that Kuro isn't a villain. She did a lot of harm, but she doesn't understand that. She's just an owl. All she knows is that she has to stop the scary lights because they are dangerous. And she is right.

The tree really is a monster, though. As the narrator, it knows everything that's going on in the story, and understands exactly what it's doing. It murdered those owls. It knows that the creatures of light and dark can coexist peacefully, but it doesn't want to coexist. It just makes a big blast and kills everything it doesn't like. Yes, obviously it is protecting its own children just like Kuro, but the difference is that it is knowingly doing this at the expense of others with no apparent remorse.

And it isn't just the tree. Ori and Sein are villains, too. They are kind to each other, and to Naru and Gumo, but totally willing to murder every other creature while they're ransacking the entire forest. Random spider hanging out in a tree? Better kill it. Random slug climbing a wall? Dead. Random frog sitting around at the bottom of a valley? We can't have that, now, can we? Better just blast everything that moves, because those hundreds of lives are expendable.

Those creatures aren't villains either, but the player gets rewarded with more ability points for killing them anyway. Ori is a cute little angel of death for pretty much every simple creature of the forest, and gets more powerful by killing them. Ori and Sein sure are made of light...the light that those animals see as their lives flash before their eyes. It's possible that Ori might be naive about this, but Sein knows exactly what's up.

I don't think the developers intended it that way, but that's how the final result looks to me. I love the game anyway, but I really hope the sequel doesn't make me feel like I'm playing for the wrong team.
YellowDemonHurlr Feb 21, 2018 @ 8:18pm 
I'd characterize the tree as not too bright (figuratively speaking), but not a villain. Yes, he is the narrator, but the narration is not happening in real time. It's a framing device--he's looking back and talking about what happened in the past. He knows now what he did wrong, but he didn't at the time. And he is clearly remorseful about killing Kuro's chicks.

Now, you could and should argue that he ought to have understood the damage he was doing. He's a freakin' tree, to get that big he has to be pretty old (though the fact that Naru tended him as a sprout kind of confuses things), so he ought to have had plenty of time to figure out that his light hurts the creatures of darkness. However, I'd call that negligent homicide. Definitely not okay, but not enough to qualify him as a villain. There's no malice.

Kuro, however, definitely qualifies as a villain. Regardless of her motivation, her response was deliberate, premeditated killing. Murder. And she's not just an owl, either. She's intelligent enough to understand what she did wrong when Naru confronts her, and what the consequences were. She understands the connection between taking Sein and the fire that's currently burning. A regular animal couldn't do that. I'd wager she's probably just as intelligent as the forest spirits.

So put it in human terms--a mother loses her child when her neighbor drives drunk. The mother responds by burning down his house with him and his family in it. Would you call her a villain? I would. And then, to complete the analogy, the fire spreads across the neighborhood and endangers everybody else, including the mother's surviving child.

As for the creatures Ori and Sein kill, that seems like self-defense to me. Try playing without using spirit flame and you'll see that even if you don't attack the creatures, they attack you. Neither do they run away like regular animals should. In contrast, the frogs, squirrels, butterflies, dragonflies, and miscellaneous birds that show up now and then are perfectly safe. They can't even be targeted.

And on top of that, there's the fact that if Ori and Sein don't restore the elements, the whole forest is going to die anyway.
Gaming Tester Feb 21, 2018 @ 11:06pm 
Originally posted by CricketStyleJ:
I believe that the tree is the villain of the story.
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I don't think the developers intended it that way, but that's how the final result looks to me. I love the game anyway, but I really hope the sequel doesn't make me feel like I'm playing for the wrong team.
Why doesn't Steam have upvote button?!
Gaming Tester Feb 21, 2018 @ 11:16pm 
Originally posted by YellowDemonHurlr:
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So put it in human terms--a mother loses her child when her neighbor drives drunk. The mother responds by burning down his house with him and his family in it. Would you call her a villain? I would. And then, to complete the analogy, the fire spreads across the neighborhood and endangers everybody else, including the mother's surviving child.
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Aaaand when she extinguish the fire that she made, he ... "drives drunk" her also?!? :steammocking:
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