So it became P2W?

[ΛƘ 420]

I'm reading reviews saying that it's become a P2W game.
Is there any skill involved? Or by paying you can beat skilled players?

[Walter Röhrl]

Theres no way you kann easily kill skilled players.

even if you buy 9 porcupines and fuse them to get 3 fused porcs...
Then you have payed approx. 8000 Dollars and still get shreddered within seconds by veterans who know how to play

[Gilmore]

Paying doesn’t let you beat other players. You will always be matched against other players with similar power score.

Paying is actually a detriment to new players, cause with better gear you will be matched with more experienced players.

[DivineEvil]

P2W is an argument made mainly by unskilled players in the first place, because it takes skill and a manner of reflection habit to understand how the in-game balance works and how different builds counter one another. In that sense, XO is a game that is closer to MOBA games, where you choose a role and have to play accordingly, than to a generic shooter, where everyone has mostly the same stats and the outcome defined by reaction times and randomness.

When you have players, that cannot analyze anything and instead react with frustration towards any failure on their part or a plain happenstance, they will come back against the game on reviews calling the game P2W with no explanation or practical examples. In reality, you may buy your way into a PS bracket of your choosing, and more experience players will wipe the floor with you, because you don't know what you're doing.

It is the same as with MOBA or class-based FPS games - every class comes with its strong and weak sides, and inform a set of behaviors that ideally put you in advantageous position against a set of enemy classes. The difference is that in XO you're building up your class yourself. You have to balance offense with defense, pick an optimal range of engagement, choose an appropriate movement profile and optimize the placement of components to reflect the type of combat you're going for, and every such choice comes with drawbacks.

Some people just don't have the capacity to think that deep. They judge the outcomes based solely on what particular weapons or components someone's using. On top of that, every part whether it comes from crafting or pack exclusive is traded on the market, meaning that you can obtain anything without paying. There's no exclusive advantage obtained from paying into the game, therefore the claim of P2W is practically false.

[Midknight22]

There are some p2w elements like new items in passes/packs largely being meta playable to a degree, then being nerfed down a little later on. Otherwise it's just a money hungry and grindy game, which is different to p2w, rather it's pay to progress or skip the grind.

[Fitzy]

The game isn't pay to win, it's pay to progress, there is nothing you can buy in this game that can't be obtained by sticking free to play, granted some items are very expensive and would take a long time to obtain by only grinding but it's still possible to do so.

Additionally using cheap parts is perfectly viable at most p.s. and it's still possible to compete with skillful play even if your oponnents have higher rarity parts.

Claiming the game is pay to win is just venting in most cases which is rarely substantiated by the slightest hint of evidence.

[Brutallion]

Been playing crossout for years myself, and no, it is not P2W. It is simply a deep game that allows for more customization and creativity than almost anything else on the market, except perhaps robocraft. A skilled player can use the starting weapons, literally, clear into the 8000 power score range. (The more parts you use on your car, the bigger the power score gets). It only "seems" like you have to put in money as it is a pretty involved process to sell parts to get coins. I.E. a new player can craft an item, then sell it on the market for the coins required to make other parts. They see the "coin" requirement and think "Oh, I have to put in money to make anything? That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" and many bounce off. I honestly wish they would just give new players a coin balance and make it part of the tutorial. The greatest challenge, for me, is using the lowest possible weapons and seeing how far up the power score ladder I can go. I have definitely spent money on the game (a premium subscription is absolutely worth it for this gem of a game) but it is in no way required and although I have "relic" class weapons, I literally do not use them except on PVE raids. There are story mode adventures, PVE battles, PvP, creator competitions etc. I found a way to creatively mount a certain blue (2nd quality tier) weapon on a unique build just this past week that has been netting me great success. I am guarding my secret and reaping the rewards of finding a niche. Newer players will just slap guns on top of a vehicle cabin, of a higher quality than I use, get them shot off in seconds, then complain that I "bought" my way to victory, despite not using a single paid part. After you get good at the game, you can even have complainers link you their build, fight them with it, win with it, then they'll still be griping about P2W in the chat later. Blows my mind. Anywho, the game is great, give it a shot!

[Kick_McCan]

my gosh you people. go buy a pack and then immediately prawn every match, then you can come back and say this game is p2w

[DivineEvil]

Originally posted by Kick_McCan:

my gosh you people. go buy a pack and then immediately prawn every match, then you can come back and say this game is p2w

I have played XO for over 3300 hours and never seen anyone accomplishing that.

[Midknight22]

Originally posted by DivineEvil:

Originally posted by Kick_McCan:

my gosh you people. go buy a pack and then immediately prawn every match, then you can come back and say this game is p2w

I have played XO for over 3300 hours and never seen anyone accomplishing that.

The only item that got close to that was the catalina.

[zombygunner]

its not pay to win its pay to have more stuff that makes you think you can win but you wont because your new. its a pvp game IT TAKES SKILL...and lots of dying

[justfaded]

I've been playing on and off for years and people have always called it p2w. It's definitely grindy but it's not p2w

[Ramboo_Dong]

it is p2w!!! (buy something = higher ch<ance for win)); e.g.: today: lot of matches with shotgunners/ mg only and/ or grenade launchers with 100% hit rate (for sure: "coincidence")