Please to god don't mess with the epic engines

[Renmei]

This is the single worse idea i have ever seen oppressor with tank over night no one care about rotation speed of weapons 99% of the time you basically made one of the coolest and fun engines to use while speeding around useless red hot okay i can see that sure but honestly the colossus will also be dropped over night the reason its used 90% of the time is weapon reload speed at all times take that away and now what no one will want to use the power on it with no buff you jest want the legendary module for reload to replace every engine why? WHY 1 part to replace 2 good play styles jest get out of here is some one wants to stack 2 or 3 weapon reload perks i feel that's fine because cannons are not a meta unless at really low power scores where you cant run 3 reload buffs you tanking the engine market if you do the dumb idea.

[MiiTCH]

Balance edits are made for a reason. Statistics and feedback are collected and worked on. Only then, after a lot of consideration are changes made.

[Bountyhunter]

Originally posted by MiiTCH:

Balance edits are made for a reason. Statistics and feedback are collected and worked on. Only then, after a lot of consideration are changes made.

whatelse should you say lol

[Renmei]

Originally posted by MiiTCH:

Balance edits are made for a reason. Statistics and feedback are collected and worked on. Only then, after a lot of consideration are changes made.

balance is the reason for this really i have never seen or heard of cannon reload speed being the point of balance but now your going to take a rarely seen weapon on the battle field and make it 4x harder to use? then put in a legendary module that does the same thing but cost 8x more to make please explain the balance

[Renmei]

Originally posted by Bountyhunter:

Originally posted by MiiTCH:

Balance edits are-

whatelse should you say lol

maybe bring something to the discussion if you agree why not explain it?

[DivineEvil]

Considering you just laid a barf of unpunctuated rambling, in no particular order and without quotes:
- You cannot really tell if the idea is good or bad based on its raw description. I certainly wouldn't try. Having nothing other that status quo wihout any values or demonstration doesn't allow you it.

- Balance changes always disrupt the status quo. Just because you got used to stuff doesn't make changing it the worst idea.

- Turret traversal is a significant concern for many weapons. Speak for yourself and don't pretend to know what others think.

- When an engine is almost always used for reload speed, its a problem, not a positive. This is not what engines are made for. If you're using Colossus on a heavy tanky vehicle and instead only use it on fast mobile vehicles as a piece of armor, something is definitely broken.

- Maybe cannons aren't a meta (which they were for the majority of Crossout history) because they cannot work without an engine, and that prevents proper balancing. Reload modules are a pretty straightforward alternative - they can work for all reloading weapons, not cannons alone. Also they start at Epic grade, not Legendary. That means that you cannot get the durable piece of armor, the reload speed bonus and the mobility buffs at the same time, which you could with Colossus.

- All those engine essentially give you the same thing in different ways. This is the opposite of playstyle variety. There are new potential playstyles that can emerge from these new unique perks.

- Changes to balance always change the market prices. This is nothing new, so I don't see how its a problem at all.

[SpiralRazor]

Originally posted by MiiTCH:

Balance edits are made for a reason. Statistics and feedback are collected and worked on. Only then, after a lot of consideration are changes made.

defending the indefensible...meanwhile server pop and player retention still decrease.

[Random™?]

Originally posted by MiiTCH:

Balance edits are made for a reason. Statistics and feedback are collected and worked on. Only then, after a lot of consideration are changes made.

while i understand balance edits have to be made. i never see them consulting the community about changes. since its an RU company, there is a language barrier.

what would seem logical is to have a link in game that would take you directly to a vote thread. i feel like they tend to nerf the wrong item/wrong aspect

[an entire Roman legion]

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

Originally posted by MiiTCH:

Balance edits are made for a reason. Statistics and feedback are collected and worked on. Only then, after a lot of consideration are changes made.

defending the indefensible...

you dont decide that.

[DivineEvil]

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

defending the indefensible...meanwhile server pop and player retention still decrease.

Pure arrogance in action.
People were saying about pop/ret ever since the game's arrival on Steam 4 years ago, yet here we are... decreasing? Also, if some people leave the game because balance changes and game is updated, they should have never get into it to begin with.

Originally posted by Random™?:

while i understand balance edits have to be made. i never see them consulting the community about changes. since its an RU company, there is a language barrier.

what would seem logical is to have a link in game that would take you directly to a vote thread. i feel like they tend to nerf the wrong item/wrong aspect

Almost nobody consults "the community". Community is biased, and may vote against the changes that otherwise would be better for the game. If the majority of players is grunting in shotgun builds, you'd never be able to nerf them, for example.

This very thread is based on author's bias towards how stuff should stay the same, because it is in their favor. Developer's on the other hand may believe that the way engines are used goes againt their initial idea, and its their game, so naturally their judgement takes precedence.

[Random™?]

Originally posted by DivineEvil:

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

defending the indefensible...meanwhile server pop and player retention still decrease.

Pure arrogance in action.
People were saying about pop/ret ever since the game's arrival on Steam 4 years ago, yet here we are... decreasing? Also, if some people leave the game because balance changes and game is updated, they should have never get into it to begin with.

Originally posted by Random™?:

while i understand balance edits have to be made. i never see them consulting the community about changes. since its an RU company, there is a language barrier.

what would seem logical is to have a link in game that would take you directly to a vote thread. i feel like they tend to nerf the wrong item/wrong aspect

Almost nobody consults "the community". Community is biased, and may vote against the changes that otherwise would be better for the game. If the majority of players is grunting in shotgun builds, you'd never be able to nerf them, for example.

This very thread is based on author's bias towards how stuff should stay the same, because it is in their favor. Developer's on the other hand may believe that the way engines are used goes againt their initial idea, and its their game, so naturally their judgement takes precedence.

my theory is the concept of "heres what we're trying to adjust, here are the ideas what we came up with, please vote on your prefered fix"

its not us telling them "we like shotguns, so dont nerf shotguns".. its them telling us what theyre trying to change and the purposed fixes... would give up options while still making the changes that the game may need

im also convinced that the devs dont spend enough time playing their own and are basing their balance changes solely around statistics, which only tell half of the story

[WiNdSuRfEr]

Originally posted by MiiTCH:

Balance edits are made for a reason. Statistics and feedback are collected and worked on. Only then, after a lot of consideration are changes made.

How will you refund upgraded engines for peoples who bought 3, 5,7 or 9 of the same engine to get the good upgrade for the engine with the perk they payed for ?

imagine you buy a 100 000 dollars car and the car company come back to you "oh sorry we have to retake the car , thx for the 100 000 dollars we will give you a 500 dollars car in exchange it s better for your safety" wtf lol

[MiiTCH]

Originally posted by Random™?:

Originally posted by MiiTCH:

Balance edits are made for a reason. Statistics and feedback are collected and worked on. Only then, after a lot of consideration are changes made.

while i understand balance edits have to be made. i never see them consulting the community about changes. since its an RU company, there is a language barrier.

what would seem logical is to have a link in game that would take you directly to a vote thread. i feel like they tend to nerf the wrong item/wrong aspect

Players will inevitably have biases based on how they play their game. A collection of statistics gives us a fair look at what changes should be made.

[Ninja Zyborg]

looked over the notes and it appears that epic engines are just getting a huge nerf

and as an epic engine owner I hate it

[Random™?]

i dont own or use epic engines (ive used them in the past. my current build cant use them)

while removing the reload perks from engines and putting them on a new piece of equipment isnt bad. rads/coolers have 1 role, an engine that provies reload boost is pulling double duty and giving you a lot of value for 1 energy

my concerns are the new perks being given to those engines being changed. they might play out a lot different than what im prediciting, but overall i think that they will be weaker/more niche

[Unbearable]

They are ONLY doing this for one reason and it is not *balance*. Now if they put * bank* in front of that it would be correct, they want more of our money in the Crossout bank balance. Oh we can get a turret speed buff huzzah, but you break the engine so you need another grind part to get back the perk you stripped out how..thoughful.

Look if the thread admins and such would start telling truth instead of companyspeak folks would not call them out but please to claim this is to bring more game balance is like handing us square wheels to encourage a *new playstyle*.