And this state of the game is OBT?

[Operator Sandwich]

So, as I recall Gaijin still got WoT among their games and that has some decent balance between grind and fun, but Crossout? Honestly, it's outrageous how much does this game wants to get in your pocket BEFORE it actually gives you anything "fun" to do and to play with.
- You got to level 7? Great, now here is your 600-1200 xp a match to fill that 30k xp bar.
- Got no fuel? K, now we cut down fuel gain 5 times so that you play 4 WINNING and SURVIVING matches to get 1 try at PVE.
- You're a newb with no decent items getting in PVE? No problem, you're going to get owned with other newbs, waste those 20 fuel and go back in PVP.
- Smart ass wants to build crates to get a blue gear with small chance out of it? We limit max scrap you gain.
- Smart ass wants to grind some else resource? We limit that too.
- Want to get anything of value? Go and trade, but first either by currency for cash or grind to sell anything for any decent price.
- Feeling proud of finally making some proper car with more armor? No worries, we'll put a player with rockets against your LMGs that one shots your car.
- Enemy team skyrocketed to your base in assault? Relax, it's over.
- We will make an amazing crafting system consisting of 8-10 various types of currency from start, materials and other sht required to craft anything. And hey, you bet your ass you won't get all that stuff in a bunch of days enough to build at least 1 decent blue item.
But yeah, give us your cash, 5 buck here, 10 buck there.

No guys, this isn't how F2P is supposed to work, and OBT for company that already in F2P market for years in this state has zero excuse. If by some magic all of this bs eventually change, it can be a decent game, with fun enough combat, creativity and dynamic. ATM, a waste of time.

[TEKnowledgy]

pretty easy get through 1st 10 levels you can do it in less than 4 hrs lol even without a weekend +50% boost. I did it on my 1st day.
You start hitting the grind at 13 and it just gets rougher and rougher, level 30 is cap far as I can tell. Levels aren't that big of a deal though.

The grind is noticeable every where else, be it gear progression to 4 maps in PvP lol.
If the grind don't kill you the repetitiveness will, thats what got me.
I haven't played it in 3 days because of the lack of PvP maps i just started feeling repetitiveness extremely bad so I'm taking a slight break.

Theres other things though the lack of positive updates is also starting to push me away starting to feel like the game isn't being supported enough atleast for an OBT. I could understand if it was still CBT. They need to get there butts on the ball, this 1 patch here and there crap isn't going to fly with people that want this game to get better.

The game is in no better shape today than it was a month ago it may actually be worse with recent changes to the fuel.
While it isn't directly affecting me, it is affecting alot of other people and pushing them away this isn't how an OBT should be. Instead it needs to be grabbing the attention of gamers not turning them away from it, atleast not this early in anyways.

If it continues with my points above player base will dwindle away as it will start pushing even those that was in CBT away aswell.

The game will die be like a premature birth it might survive but the chances are low.

[Blitzwing]

Problem is around level 10-14 you realize how broken the grind is.


tier 1 = just get parts ok lets play some rounds
tier 2 = you need several same parts ok lets get them, you need this coins money to unlock bench , ok you can sale some of your parts and there is already my issue. The only part you can sell is scrap and its get cheaper every day and your tier 1 parts are worthless. oil you need for raids, for this extra resources.
So after like 4 - 5 hours it will end in rage quit.

[Super 2Lux]

Nguyên văn bởi Ulris Ventis:

4. You gotta understand, to get better parts, you need to level up, to level up you better have decent items, vice versa.

AGAIN, not true.

You get same amount of xp playing at 500 PS or 5000PS. You don't need fancy items to level up. Build a balanced vehicle, all white parts, around 2K5 PS, make you build suits your strategy/playstyle and grind.


At this PS range no one can get fancy items because of PS limitations. And if they do, they 'll only have one weapon, easy to disable.
You ll get the same amount of xp (yeah it's capped) as if u were playing at higher PS.

I use a 3K PS with WHITE shotguns + 1 blue auger to level up, got 1200+ score everymatch, it gives me 1200+ xp everygame, 6K+ xp when daily buff is on.
My "useless" as u say shotguns, owns every cannons users. Period. I got games with 7 kills with these shotguns, and dozens and dozens of games with 4/5 kills using shotguns.

Reaching lvl 17 will only take a few days. I have a friend that did it in 6 days.
At this point, you ll have grinded enough coppers to have several blues and at least an epic weapon. And u ll get additional coppers for doing nothing because of your leviathan.

Today i used my 200 free fuels for 5 invasions. 3 wins 2 lost (2 lev killed each) = around 120 coppers or so. At this moment my Lev has already 7 wins so 105 more coppers for me doing NOTHING here.
If I can make 200 coppers+ per day for FREE, using free daily free fuel and lev, why can't you?

or you can install 3 useless shotguns, or you can get 1 cannon and 2 LMGs,

Thats funny, the useless build is exactly what i use and i am MVP, 90%+ of the time.

My useless shotguns build farmed well enough to allow me to craft/buy/build a 6k+ PS rocket launchers vehicle (even if im leveling scavengers) that I use against leviathans.

If you really use tactics and teamplay like you said, there is no reason for you to struggle in this game.

9. I'm not interested in 2017 to waste a week to get basic gear in a game to start playing, that is all. I've been there over a decade ago, this♥♥♥♥♥♥is old for me.

Mate, i m probably older than you. If you are that old, then you should have the patience, and u would know that you don't need anything to be competitive in this game except for a good game plan.

Since you are fighting people in same PS score range, you have the potential to beat anyone.
If you think you loose fights because of a specific weapons, then u still need better approaches and tactics, because no weapons can save you. Unless you try to force fight at range and headon, that "useless" 3 shotguns build , will beat hands down the 1 cannon 2LMG build you talked about, easily and night & day.

Add me ingame if you want, i'm no pro, but i'll show you how wrong you were about most things you said.

[xCrossFaith]

I absolutely agree with everything except the rocket vs machine gun thing, you can be with mg's and paired agains epic cannons and still do good, that's a matter of learning how to deal with them

On the grind side... I see devs had taken the warframe "make a ♥♥♥♥ ton of grind to get something" but without thinking in a couple details:
Warframe has a kilometric square ton more worth of content due to it being out for way more years and it doesn't have any caps except for a couple things...

If crossout devs want to keep the game this grindy they should remove the caps, or give us more of the items for rewards


Keep the game this grindy with it's relatively low content or keep players playing for a long time...
Live or die ,devs, make your choice, let the game beggin
*insert Saw theme*

[cragenj3]

What killed it for me was like...8 missions deep into the PvE Map..

You fought some bots, killed a boss, hid from some bots with invisibility, followed some guy for a while, killed a few more bosses...now you've gotta escort this brain-dead Noob-Bot..No problem. Now you get there and you have to kill 2 giant spiders. I put 500 damage on it's top end..it's 2 turrets and it's tank gun...they didn't pop off. and there's another one...and they're firing guided missiles that aren't even accessible, right? I only looked in the store up to $1k coins, but no missiles are guided, that far. So...I need to be level 30 with 10k coin to defeat that mission, huh?

Then I noticed all the other problems that I just can't tolerate. I love repetition, I'll 1v1 you in Halo until the end of time. The issue is that there is no "Getting good" at Crossout. There is no skill element.

You're all right....That clearly unbeatable at level 10 PvE mission shattered my material grind..couldn't make anything. So I sold it all, bought 2 of them good turrets, like 750 power scores. (Still can't do the PvE mission btw) and now I'm getting overwhelmed by guys running a 6x4 frame, a tiny cab, a big engine, and 2 huge shotguns. They pull up and 1 hit me....
You gear long-range? You get shotgun bots. (and we all know this game is full of PvP Bots.)
You gear short-range? You get cannon bots.
You gear both? You fight people with over a thousand more power than you. and at 2k PS that thousand they've got on you is idiotic and not at all fair as is described there on the Missions Menu. Look, it really says "Fair Fight." It's not, at all, fair. It's going entirely off PS, because there is no such thing as being good or bad at this game.
So you and your buddy are geared your best, your teams about what you are, but the enemy team has a guy with starter cab and starter turrets...and a guy with a flying tank. Fair?
Average and equivalent PS does not equate to fair...a noob and a God are not equivalent to 2 regular guys...so your grouping system is a failure.



The grind....All games are a grind, guys. You just play it..if you don't like playing it, don't.
but my point is that this game would be awesome if it weren't such a cash-grab.
Do what TV Shows do .... The Cable Company charges us, and the TV Show charges the Cable Company. Why should we pay for Xbox Live, PS4 Live, or even Internet if we then have to pay to play games.


Errr....I'm just mad that spent all my money on 750 turrets only to lose 2/3rds of the matches..then sold those to buy 2 750 shotguns only to still lose 2/3rds of the matches.
Also, I then noticed that DISTANCE IS BAD, NEVER INVEST IN DISTANCE FIGHTING - THIS IS A FAST CARS AND SHOTGUNS GAME.
The kill gets the points. I got 6 assists with well over 1k damage, got them all smoking, and they ran. End of game I got 378 Rep. LOL?

[cragenj3]

^^ Like we jumped from a mission any level 8 can do to a mission only a max car can do...

I'm a PvE player in every other game, but this storyline is absolutely unbelievably unbalanced.

[cragenj3]

Nguyên văn bởi SupRDeluxe:

Nguyên văn bởi Mom's Spaghetti (PTSD):

You can pretty much ignore @SupRDeluxe, sounds like another apologist rushing to defend the developers bad choices. 50 copper per day = amazing profit? Give me a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ break. The new players are absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥, unless (hehe) , they pay real money for packs.

Not defending anything. Never said Devs were right, just that most of what OP said is not true.
I don't like the 5 fuel cap either, but i still get levels and ressources, no problems there.

Today i used my 200 free fuels for 5 invasions. 3 wins 2 lost (2 lev killed each) = around 120 coppers or so. At this moment my Lev has already 7 wins so 105 more coppers for me doing NOTHING here.
If I can make 200 coppers+ per day for FREE, using free daily free fuel and lev, why can't you?

And before you say anything else about new players, my farm build for pvp is a 3K PS white shotguns + auger, blue cooler, blue generator, blue engine. It can be done in a few days, less if u play the market.
Farms well, enough to craft/buy/build a 6k+ PS rocket launchers vehicle (even if im leveling scavengers) that I use against leviathans.

If you ve been grinding since day one and can't do better than 10 easy raids a day, you re doing something wrong dude. Your fault, not mine.

You can either whine and struggle at making ressources, or be smarter and use the game properly... Again, your choice...

200 free fuel per day for 100-200 copper max.
That's not even 1/2 of a tier 2 item. It's pay to win, stop defending the game. It's not good pay to win, like CoC or Clash Royale - This is either pay or log in for an hour every day for 2 years to be able to have a little freedom. It's advertised as building trucks and fighting but that's not even what this is at all - It's pay or grind for years to build trucks and fight.

[cragenj3]

I didn't even know there were in app purchases.

Maybe this is Steams fault....Quit putting P2W games in the Free Games section, that's absolutely crooked.

The only debate is that it was in the fine print....Well Walmart isn't putting legos in the food isle and then saying it's clearly marked on the legos package that legos aren't food.
Fine print is a joke, and we all know it - Quit being sheep, stand up for what you believe.

[Radiun]

Nguyên văn bởi cragenj3:

^^ Like we jumped from a mission any level 8 can do to a mission only a max car can do...

I'm a PvE player in every other game, but this storyline is absolutely unbelievably unbalanced.

Cragenj3 please do not raise post from the graves. If you have any issues or complaints to state, start a new post.
The last time someone posted on this was back in 2017.

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