I hate camera in this game.

[Waifuhunter]

I returned to the game after 7 years break and I remembered why I stopped playing it. There were two problems:
1) PC not powerful enough for huge battles in star systems with more than 2-3 planets.
2) Awful camera controls.
Now I have better PC but camera.. it's still so bad i can't even play the game. I don't remembe and don't know how i played original Planetary Annihilation with this camera.. I spent an hour and a half in Titans trying to do something with it in options. Zooming is slow as hell and some camera controls don't work as it it supposed to work(or maybe i'm doing it wrong.. i don't know)
I'm so irritated that i'd kill myself if i had a gun right now..

Help me, please.. I need to know how to handle this naughty camera

[Lula Mae]

Which cameras controls are you having trouble with?

[Waifuhunter]

Originally posted by Lula Mae:

Which cameras controls are you having trouble with?

Mostly with zooming and changing camera speed. In free camera mode i can't increase speed of camera movement. It's too slow and i don't know why. I tried pressing button to increase its speed but i only made it slower. And in default camera mode the same button made camera too fast. I'm a little bit confused with that.
Also i have some issues with my mouse. I'm buying a new one tomorrow and whether it'll be better. But putting mouse aside zooming in and out with keyboard is very slow and i didn't find a way to quicken it.

[Waifuhunter]

Originally posted by Lula Mae:

Which cameras controls are you having trouble with?

and.. if i'm allowed to nag a little.. i'd say that camera controls weren't very comfortable from the game launch in.. mm 2014(?). I also wasted a lot of time learning and changing camera controls at that time.

[Lula Mae]

Originally posted by ඞB00M3Rඞ:

Originally posted by Lula Mae:

Which cameras controls are you having trouble with?

Mostly with zooming and changing camera speed. In free camera mode i can't increase speed of camera movement. It's too slow and i don't know why. I tried pressing button to increase its speed but i only made it slower. And in default camera mode the same button made camera too fast. I'm a little bit confused with that.
Also i have some issues with my mouse. I'm buying a new one tomorrow and whether it'll be better. But putting mouse aside zooming in and out with keyboard is very slow and i didn't find a way to quicken it.

To be sure that we are talking the same thing, Free Camera isn't used in normal game play.
For normal game play, use the sliders in game Settings > Camera.
I think that the slider for key pan speed also affects key zoom speed and that the slider for zoom speed is for the mouse scroll wheel, but I can't test that right now.

[Waifuhunter]

Originally posted by Lula Mae:

Originally posted by ඞB00M3Rඞ:

Mostly with zooming and changing camera speed. In free camera mode i can't increase speed of camera movement. It's too slow and i don't know why. I tried pressing button to increase its speed but i only made it slower. And in default camera mode the same button made camera too fast. I'm a little bit confused with that.
Also i have some issues with my mouse. I'm buying a new one tomorrow and whether it'll be better. But putting mouse aside zooming in and out with keyboard is very slow and i didn't find a way to quicken it.

To be sure that we are talking the same thing, Free Camera isn't used in normal game play.
For normal game play, use the sliders in game Settings > Camera.
I think that the slider for key pan speed also affects key zoom speed and that the slider for zoom speed is for the mouse scroll wheel, but I can't test that right now.

Hm... okay.. i'll test it tomorrow with a new mouse.

[Waifuhunter]

Originally posted by Lula Mae:

Originally posted by ඞB00M3Rඞ:

Mostly with zooming and changing camera speed. In free camera mode i can't increase speed of camera movement. It's too slow and i don't know why. I tried pressing button to increase its speed but i only made it slower. And in default camera mode the same button made camera too fast. I'm a little bit confused with that.
Also i have some issues with my mouse. I'm buying a new one tomorrow and whether it'll be better. But putting mouse aside zooming in and out with keyboard is very slow and i didn't find a way to quicken it.

To be sure that we are talking the same thing, Free Camera isn't used in normal game play.
For normal game play, use the sliders in game Settings > Camera.
I think that the slider for key pan speed also affects key zoom speed and that the slider for zoom speed is for the mouse scroll wheel, but I can't test that right now.

Well.. i've bought a new mouse. Zooming with mouse wheel is much better now and i think it works fine. Though zooming with keyboard buttons's still anoyingly slow.
I'll play for a few hours during next 10 days and if i won't get any problem with camera, i'd be sure that old mouse was the major problem and you could think about this thread as 30 y.o. man nagging and winning thread.

P.S. controls are anyway. I hate it in 2015 and i hate them now.

[Lula Mae]

Originally posted by ඞB00M3Rඞ:

Though zooming with keyboard buttons's still anoyingly slow.

Default keyboard controls for Zoom are the Control key + Up or Down arrow. I find that to be very quick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ZGKGFd0W0

[Waifuhunter]

Originally posted by Lula Mae:

Originally posted by ඞB00M3Rඞ:

Though zooming with keyboard buttons's still anoyingly slow.

Default keyboard controls for Zoom are the Control key + Up or Down arrow. I find that to be very quick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ZGKGFd0W0

thanks for th video. Unfortunately I'm that kind of a man who doesn't use instructions. I think if you can't understand something "ingame", it's bad gamedesign.
Anyway thanks. This thread can be closed for now.

[Ill Behaviour]

Translation - If I cant understand something it's somebody else's fault.

[Waifuhunter]

Originally posted by Ill Behaviour:

Translation - If I cant understand something it's somebody else's fault.

No, it means that i'm used to more comfortable RTS' interface than this game has. If you need to watch video guide to understand how to do something in game, it means there is something wrong with game and not with you. I played a lot of RTS during last 15 years and i had problem with camera and with camera controls only in this game. Even supreme commander interface and camera controls were better and i didn't need to spend time in options looking what button on keyboard does.
In general the game is good and i like it but interface and camera are the worst. I haven't seen(or at least can't remember) the game with worse interface and camera.

Thread can be closed by moderator. I won't write anything else here and advise you do the same. I expressed my opinion and partly solved my problem.

[Lula Mae]

Originally posted by ඞB00M3Rඞ:

If you need to watch video guide to understand how to do something in game, it means there is something wrong with game

I learned all those things on my own before I created that video.

The game is meant to be played/navigated with a mouse. The fact that they provide keyboard controls as an alternative is just icing on the cake for me.

But hey, I get it. I'm as guilty as anyone else of being the inspiration for the famous quote:

When all else fails, read the instructions.

[Dreadnought]

There's a camera called Relative Zoom Speed that adjusts zoom speed to the planet.

You need to fine tune your camera zoom speed and friction in the Camera tab under settings, including in the middle of a game to help get the right fit for you. (can use idle AI, or use the sandbox mod for quick launch games)

I personally started off slow, then increased my mouse pan, zoom, and other settings to be faster over time.

You can also try using camera anchors, its a hotkey (under Settings>Keyboard>Camera) which 'saves' a location, then you can recall that position with a press of a button to help orientate yourself.

There is also Align To Pole ('Pole Lock' under Settings>Camera for the baseline setting and Settings>Keyboard>Camera for the toggle hotkey) which changes how the camera moves around the planet, with its axis point anchored at the two poles instead of free flow.

Hope that helps resolve your issues with the camera.

[Ill Behaviour]

Originally posted by ඞB00M3Rඞ:

Originally posted by Ill Behaviour:

Translation - If I cant understand something it's somebody else's fault.

No, it means that i'm used to more comfortable RTS' interface than this game has. If you need to watch video guide to understand how to do something in game, it means there is something wrong with game and not with you. I played a lot of RTS during last 15 years and i had problem with camera and with camera controls only in this game. Even supreme commander interface and camera controls were better and i didn't need to spend time in options looking what button on keyboard does.
In general the game is good and i like it but interface and camera are the worst. I haven't seen(or at least can't remember) the game with worse interface and camera.

Thread can be closed by moderator. I won't write anything else here and advise you do the same. I expressed my opinion and partly solved my problem.

Sorry man shouldn't have posted that, contributed nothing positive. I just get a bit defensive as I'm a bit of a fan.

[fred]

I kind of have also problems with the hotkeys.
What the heck are the diffrences betwenn SET and Toggle in the Hotkeys?
That toggle is toggling between what??
I always hated this not working hotkey from the beginning to now on.
It is not toggling!

What I want? I just want to switch between the planet view and the free view with one key (space).
So what I have to do is set two keys to planet view and free view.
The toggle is crap.