CAW Height formula!

[ZeroCorpse]

Note: UPDATED AND REVISED BASED ON INPUT IN THIS THREAD. THANKS GUYS!


Okay, so I had a chart up here before (you can see it in my other posts below) and it was wrong. The game does some wonky things with height and as you all may know, if you take the slider as showing heights in feet and inches, it is skipping 5' 10", 5' 11", 6' 10", and 6' 11" because it jumps from 5.9 to 6.0 and 6.9 to 7.0 -- Some people thought this might be decimals, and using some math I figured each decimal would be 1.2 inches.

I was wrong.

Instead, it's totally arbitrary. There is no rhyme or reason. The best I could do, then, was to make a CAW (called "height guy", btw) and use him to measure against the heights of actual Superstars. I did the same with a custom Diva to get the shorter heights. Here's what I found:

The numbers on the slider ROUGHLY line up with real heights, but you may notice that between each decimal point there are seveal "ticks" that make the CAW grow. From what I can figure, each one of those is USUALLY about 1/4" (.25") but that actually varies as you move around the slider. (the tip about metric having varying distances/ticks between points was what pointed me in this direction)

So let's say you want to make a guy who is as tall as Shawn Michaels, who is 5' 11" tall. There's no 5.11 on the slider. What do you do? You pick 5.9 and then "tick" it up few notches. If you hit 6.0 then pull back a notch. That's about all you can do.

Doing this, I was able to make guys who matched Superstars with 5' 10" and 5'11". 5' 10" is a couple ticks away from the 6.0 mark, but above the 5.9 mark. 5' 11" is one or two ticks above that. The same goes for 6' 10" and 6' 11" -- Hit 6.9 and then use those in-between ticks up in height to get approximately where you want to be.

But that's not all. Even the clearly marked heights aren't what they say. They're all about 1/2" off, one way or the other. If you want a guy who's 5' 8" tall, you will find that other 5' 8" tall wrestlers are shorter if you put it exactly on 5.8 -- You need to go to 5.8 and then notch down once or twice. Each decimal point actually has several levels to it.

So with that in mind, here's a ROUGH conversion scale that considers all the heights in a single decimal point on the scale :

5.6 = 5' 5"- 5' 6"

5.7 = 5' 6" - 5' 7"

5.8 = 5' 7" - 5' 9"

5.9 = 5' 9" - 5' 11"

6.0 = 5' 11" - 6'

6.1 = 6' - 6' 1"

6.2 = 6' 1" - 6' 2"

6.3 = 6' 2" - 6' 3"

6.4 = 6' 3" - 6' 4"

6.5 = 6' 4" - 6' 5"

6.6 = 6' 5" - 6' 6"

6.7 = 6' 6" - 6' 7"

6.8 = 6' 7" - 6' 9"

6.9 = 6' 9" - 6' 11"

7.0 = 6' 11" - 7'

7.1 = 7' - 7' 1"

7.2 = 7' 1" - 7' 2"


This is all very rough, and yes, it's basically what the slider says, but you have to remember that:

A. The number listed is the actual height but ONLY when you go to the highest "tick" that decimal can do before turning into another number.

B. When you get around 5.8 (and 6.8) it "spreads out" a bit and the numbers don't match at all, having several notches/ticks between decimals that make significant changes in height. From 5.8 to 6.1 you actually have approximately 6" to 8" difference, despite the numbers only showing 4 separate decimals.

C. When in doubt, compare to a built-in wrestler whose height is the same. Shawn Michaels is 5' 11", Nikki Bella is 5' 6", and Stone Cold is 6' 2" - - those should give you some basis for comparison.

D. Andre's height in the game is his BILLED height (7' 5" or 7' 4") and not his actual height at that point in his career (more like 7' 1"), so you can't make a CAW as tall as Andre is in the game, but that's because they're using his fictional height, not his real-world height.

E. Some of the built-in Divas have their height set wrong, as they're shorter than the slider will allow but are clearly not short enough to be the 4" in difference they should be.

F. The Referee is around 5' 10" tall, I think. Don't quote me on that one.


I think this is it. It's as close as I can figure. I just did the math all wrong the first time, so please ignore the charts in posts below. They're based on my checking Andre and a few Divas, but I didn't notice that the slider had variations and wasn't a uniform scale by any means.

[UncannyRock]

thanks for this!

[Melphiz]

Lucky me it goes from 1.70m til 2.2?m (bad enough most divas are <1.70m in real ...)
metric ftw :P
scnr

[ZeroCorpse]

Here's a rounded up/down version to make it super-easy:

5.6 = 5' 3"
5.7 = 5' 4"
5.8 = 5' 5"
5.9 = 5' 7"
6.0 = 5' 8"
6.1 = 5' 9"
6.2 = 5' 10"
6.3 = 5' 11"
6.4 = 6'
6.5 = 6' 2"
6.6 = 6' 3"
6.7 = 6' 4"
6.8 = 6' 5"
6.9 = 6' 7"
7.0 = 6' 8"
7.1 = 6' 9"
7.2 = 6' 10"

And yes, by necessity it skips 5' 6", 6' 1" and 6' 6" -- For those, you'll need to pick the next higher number and notch down a couple ticks to get the desired height. You can see the CAW change height as you do it.

Many Divas are 5' 2" and unfortunately, you'll be stuck with ~ 5' 3" as a minimum. Also, as noted, you won't be able to make an Andre-height CAW in this game, with 6' 10" being the best you can do.

Also, heights do not vary between genders. Divas and Superstars are both the same, so yes, you can make a 6' 10" Diva if you so choose. There aren't many of those in the real world, though. Chyna's 5' 10" (6.2 on the game slider), and the "world's tallest female wrestler", Isis The Amazon (Lindsey Howard), is actually 6' 9" tall (7.1 on the game slider), so unless you're making fictional Divas, you won't need to go above the game slider's settings.

Unfortunately, this also means you can't make some basketball players, or CAW versions of "giant" wrestlers, either. No 7' tall guys. Sorry.

I'd really love to see all CAW makers grab this and use it. It would make the Community Creations a lot more in-sync with each other.

[ZeroCorpse]

Here's a Metric version, folks:

5.6 = 1.60m
5.7 = 1.63m
5.8 = 1.66m
5.9 = 1.69m
6.0 = 1.72m
6.1 = 1.75m
6.2 = 1.78m
6.3 = 1.81m
6.4 = 1.83m
6.5 = 1.87m
6.6 = 1.91m
6.7 = 1.94m
6.8 = 1.97m
6.9 = 2.00m
7.0 = 2.03m
7.1 = 2.06m
7.2 = 2.09m

Again, it skips a lot because the slider is so weird, but there are those "notches" in-between decimal points that let you fine-tune, so if you have a CAW that is 1.85m just pick 6.4 on the slider and move it up a couple notches, but not all the way to 6.5 (1.87m).

Good luck. `Hope this helps.

[Melphiz]

Funny the game starts at 1.7 metric and ends at 2.2
different height scales for different systems? That would explain why the Divas I downloaded were metric a bit too tall

[ZeroCorpse]

I'm in the US, but maybe you're right. I just did the metric conversion based on my own conversion to feet/inches. By that calculation, it starts at 1.6 meters and goes to 2.09 meters, at least according to the Imperial-to-Metric conversion tool I used.

So are you saying the non-US version actually has metric measurement (1.7m to 2.2m) on the slider?

[Melphiz]

And since I use the german version I added the real ingame metrics, so we can both wonder about it tehe

But I would not be surprised if 2K messed it up like with all location translations (all are translated but the order was not refreshed so California remains at letter C when it is translated to Kalifornien with K beginning ...)

[ZeroCorpse]

Originally posted by ParkYongLee:

And since I use the german version I added the real ingame metrics, so we can both wonder about it tehe

So they gave everyone outside the US metric conversion, and then gave us some weird decimal point system? That's messed up. I may need to recalculate.

[ZeroCorpse]

Originally posted by ParkYongLee:

But I would not be surprised if 2K messed it up like with all location translations (all are translated but the order was not refreshed so California remains at letter C when it is translated to Kalifornien with K beginning ...)

That's funny. Yeah, they may have just screwed up the conversions entirely.

[ZeroCorpse]

Originally posted by ParkYongLee:

Funny the game starts at 1.7 metric and ends at 2.2
different height scales for different systems? That would explain why the Divas I downloaded were metric a bit too tall

SO wait... The slider on the non-US version has only 6 numbers? Am I understanding that correctly?

top to bottom:
2.2
2.1
2.0
1.9
1.8
1.7

or does it have halfway marks between these numbers? The US version has 17 positions on the slider!

[Melphiz]

yep and it has no real system, I counted the times I can tap arrow down (just a quick tap) so here it is:

2.2 (27x)
2.1 (55x)
2.0 (74x) [ends a bit below the middle line]
1.9 (45x)
1.8 (55x)
1.7 (28x)

getting real heights is more trial and error and a pain - I usually compare my caw diva heights vs Paige in a match as she is 1.73m (5ft 8in) but I still think 1.7 (zero) feels a bit taller in a match

[ZeroCorpse]

Wow. Okay, Metric has it worse than Imperial system!

For those in the US, my scale above seems to be pretty accurate and I HIGHLY encourage CAW makers and people uploading to the CC to use it. I've changed all the CAWs I downloaded to the heights from my conversion, and they all seem to be in-line with the built-in superstars and divas in terms of height matching.

For those in Europe, Asia, etc... Sorry folks, they clearly reworked the entire tool so it doesn't resemble the American version at all. I would suggest that their numbers also don't correspond to actual metric measurements. If you can get 28 different spots between 1.8m and 1.7m, there's something weird going on. I have no idea what they did to you guys, but it sounds unpleaant to deal with.

As a side note, I'm finding a lot of CAWs on CC are using the actual numbers on the tool as the "height", and that will inevitably give you CAWs who are a great deal shorter than they're supposed to be. For example, if you pick 5.9 for 5' 9", you're actually getting a wrestler who is 5' 6" tall. If you pick 6.3 as 6' 3", you're actually getting a wrestler who is 5' 11" tall.

Even if you don't want to use my conversion chart, a good general rule of thumb is to pick the number that corresponds to actual height and then add 0.3 to it. For a 6' 4" tall guy, pick 6.7 , for example.

And if anyone from YUKES or 2K are reading this... WHY can't you just put real heights on the damn tool? Why all this subterfuge and conversion? Start at 5' 2" and go by INCHES up to 7' tall, with every "tick" of the tool being ONE INCH, not some weird 1.2" increment.

If No Mercy could do this in the early 1990s, you can handle it today.

[Melphiz]

Can you do me a favor, please?
Create a diva caw with lowest setting, compare it in a match vs Paige (1.73 / 5'8" so 6.0 at your list) [the diva should be noticable smaller] upload it, tell me the name and I want to see if the EU version not only has a different scale but also may converts the caw's height to this scale. (so your created caw should be taller in my version).

[Toddrick]

Hate to burst your bubble as you clearly put a lot of work into this, but my CAW with a 6.3 height is noticeably taller than Zack Ryder, who is 6'2". By your formula my CAW should be 3 inches shorter, which is not the case.

I think 6.0 lines up fairly accurately with 6' based on billed heights. From there, the ratio is 1.2:1 for inches:decimal points.

Edit: fixed ratio (had it backwards before)

[ZeroCorpse]

Originally posted by Toddrick:

Hate to burst your bubble as you clearly put a lot of work into this, but my CAW with a 6.3 height is noticeably taller than Zack Ryder, who is 6'2". By your formula my CAW should be 3 inches shorter, which is not the case.

I think 6.0 lines up fairly accurately with 6' based on billed heights. From there, the ratio is 1.2:1 for inches:decimal points.

Edit: fixed ratio (had it backwards before)

Hrm.... I'll keep messing with this. They really did screw this all up for us, didn't they?

But thanks. All mine have been lining up well with others, but maybe I missed something. I'll dig and try to figure out what's what with this stupid height slider.