Is Fallout tactics part of the fallout.. Universe?..

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[Vozlov]

Tactics is partly cannon. The main events, such as the splitting of the brotherhood, the crash at chicago and the subsequent reformation, and the expansion west, are all cannon.

It's the details that aren't. The weapons for instance aren't Falloutey. There are real world weapons such as the M16 and such that aren't supposed to of been invented. I would assume the HUMVEE shouldn't of been either.

I like to think of Tactics as a brotherhood scribes perception of the events, that have been exagerated for turning new tribes to their cause. The games introduction is told from a brotherhood book, thus I think the events are also from that same book.

That's how I'd 'retcon' it anyway, and if I were Bethesda I'd simply release a patch that changes weapon names and pictures.

[JDCollie]

No, Tactics is not considered canon, despite the BoS references in Fallout 3.

[JDCollie]

引用自 Vozlov：

Tactics is partly cannon. The main events, such as the splitting of the brotherhood, the crash at chicago and the subsequent reformation, and the expansion west, are all cannon.

It's the details that aren't. The weapons for instance aren't Falloutey. There are real world weapons such as the M16 and such that aren't supposed to of been invented. I would assume the HUMVEE shouldn't of been either.

I like to think of Tactics as a brotherhood scribes perception of the events, that have been exagerated for turning new tribes to their cause. The games introduction is told from a brotherhood book, thus I think the events are also from that same book.

That's how I'd 'retcon' it anyway, and if I were Bethesda I'd simply release a patch that changes weapon names and pictures.

Lol, that works for me.

[JDCollie]

Huh, according to the Fallout wikia:

According to Bethesda's Emil Pagliarulo, high-level events of the Fallout Tactics plot are considered canon for Bethesda Softworks. There is one reference to the Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 3 - Scribe Rothchild states that there is a small, rogue detachment of Brotherhood of Steel in Chicago.

The following elememts are not considered canon:

• The Brotherhood of Steel originating from a military vault: a mistake since they were an organization formed by Mariposa Military Base personnel and their families.
  
• Fallout Tactics has an abundance of modern weapons from the real-world, diverging a little with the retro-futuristic concept.
  
• The new species of deathclaws: the hairy deathclaws, are portrayed capable of speech and intelligent. According to Fallout 2, the intelligent deathclaws were created by the Enclave after the events in Fallout Tactics. However, hairy deathclaws have a normal maximum Intelligence of 4, making them slightly smarter than dogs, just barely intelligent enough to speak, the whole probably came from a minor regional mutation much like the appearance of hair.
  
• Due to limitation of the game engine, "normal" ghouls suffer from radiation poisoning.

[1stReaper]

引用自 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥：

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yeah its set between Fallout 2 and 3 if memory serves correctly
cant remember where i remember reading that it was set inbetween the 2...
i THINK it might have been on the NMA site (No mutants allowed site),,,all i can remember learning about it while i was skipping school :P XD

wasn't anywhere along the lines of the Fallout 1,2 3 and new vegases storylines
i guess it was soft of like the "meanwhile in ????" kinda storylines,

like for example :-
In California a primitive from Arroyo set about saving his village.

Meanwhile :-
In the midwest a group of brother of steel initiates ~~~~~~~~

<taken from "http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_series">
Fallout Tactics includes a multi-player mode that allows players to compete against squads of other characters controlled by other players. Unlike the previous two games, which are based in California, Fallout Tactics takes place in the Midwest.

[Covid-Trece]

引用自 MrPhister：

Ugh, it's disgusting to see people talking about that Bethesda crap like it belongs anywhere near the gold that is Fallout.

what about new vegas is that crap? It was made by obsidian, but i guess its crap since you know bethesda.

[1stReaper]

@john,
new vegas surely was a great game,
BUT you still gotta admit
FO1 and FO2 was the best of the FO games,,,,well mostly FO2,

altho in order of awesome-ness
its gotta go
FO2, FO Tactics, FO NV, FO3, FO1

[JDCollie]

引用自 David：

@john,
new vegas surely was a great game,
BUT you still gotta admit
FO1 and FO2 was the best of the FO games,,,,well mostly FO2,

altho in order of awesome-ness
its gotta go
FO2, FO Tactics, FO NV, FO3, FO1

I loved Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics. But I also had an absolute blast in Falluot 3 and New Vegas. Sure, the new games are very different then the old ones, but they're still fun games with a lot of flavor and style. It is just different style than the Interplay era titles.

Of course, I'm massively excited for Wasteland 2 (even if I can't bring myself to drop $60 on early access) because it really looks and feels like the old RPG Fallouts.

[1stReaper]

ohhh snap i cant wait to get that game !!!!!
ill stave myself for a week if i have to, to get that game :P lmao

id also LOVE TO KNOW - is there that big @ss robotic scorpion in the game xD
and if so,,, is it an enemy or a friendly XD

because i can tell you this... if i EVER saw that thing face to face in real life :P
i'd s**t bricks XD

[Dustin81]

The Midwestern Brotherhood was also mentioned in New Vegas.

[Papa Shekels]

Chill the ♥♥♥♥ out...f3 is an enjoyable game. Sure, it wasn't very fallout-ey, but that's because it was made by different people who cared more for making money out of reskinninb the elder scrolls than for preserving and adding on to Fallout lore and story. As for the actual topic in question, F:T is a little bit canon, as some people here have said already, but the details are not - I like the idea of it being truth told from a biased Brotherhood perspective. However, this game would make a lot of sense if it was canon and set between f1 and f2. For one thing, it would explain why there are so few mutants in f2 compared to f1. Plus, the references in the Bethesda games imply that at least part of this game did happen according to story.

[CoryStar]

引用自 metal_hamster：

引用自 MrPhister：

Ugh, it's disgusting to see people talking about that Bethesda crap like it belongs anywhere near the gold that is Fallout.

Be quiet fanboy. I have never considered Tactics canon... not much to consider there really.

He was actually talking about the lore butchering game called Fallout 3.

[CoryStar]

引用自 David：

@john,
new vegas surely was a great game,
BUT you still gotta admit
FO1 and FO2 was the best of the FO games,,,,well mostly FO2,

altho in order of awesome-ness
its gotta go
FO2, FO Tactics, FO NV, FO3, FO1

That is an awful order, and this is coming from someone who used to obsess over Fallout 1 & 2.

NV>>>2=1>>>>>>>>>T>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3>>>>>>>>>>>>BOS

[CoryStar]

引用自 Slayer115：

Chill the ♥♥♥♥ out...f3 is an enjoyable game. Sure, it wasn't very fallout-ey, but that's because it was made by different people who cared more for making money out of reskinninb the elder scrolls than for preserving and adding on to Fallout lore and story.

Except for the part where Bethesda was saying in pre-release interviews that they are huge Fallout fans, and are respecting the canon/lore. And then just made a spinoff game that was more similar to Oblivion(but with guns) than Fallout.

Which ended up being nothing more than lies. Because the overwhelming majority of everything that was good about F3 was copy and pasted from F1&2. The rest that they took, they managed to screw it up. And almost everything that is Bethesda original, is bad.

I went into F3, open to whatever was going to happen, and decide based off of what was given(not my expectations or nostalgia). I spent over 100 hours trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. I just left disappointed overall. There were a few good quests(nothing involved in the main quest line) between the base game and all the DLCs. There was that really cool Rock-It-Launcher(but the mini-nuke launcher was an insult). V.A.T.S.(while boring to use) was a very clever way of adapting Fallout 1&2's aimed shots from turn-based combat to real-time combat(though Obsidian still did a better job of combat by adding Iron Sights and nerfing V.A.T.S.).

[Papa Shekels]

So is this going to turn into a call of duty - style debate? We went from F:T belonging to lore to flame wars to game preference to f3 being lore/not lore?
F3 takes place in Washington, D.C. F:T Takes place in Chicago, IL. F1/2/NV take place in California and Nevada. There can be a lot of differences between them, considering even today a given place in a city and a place 5 blocks away can be as different from each other as China and Canada. While the explanations for things in f3 are half-assed at best, many of them are similar to the tactics explanations, as they are the only two games not on the west coast. So you can consider both f3 and ft to be related to the full story in the bare skeleton of their stories.