Wait, so where did my money go?

[StuckInWashingMachine]

I bought every character on their release and now they are just being given for free? Did I essentially just get screwed over?

[ProDevin]

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[D YellowMadness]

Originally posted by ProDevin:

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I'll never understand why people think "Make them look stupid by pretending I don't understand a basic question." is a logical strategy.

[StuckInWashingMachine]

Originally posted by D YellowMadness:

Originally posted by ProDevin:

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I'll never understand why people think "Make them look stupid by pretending I don't understand a basic question." is a logical strategy.

I just assumed he had no idea what I was talking about in the first place, and he was genuinely naive.

[D YellowMadness]

I guess that is possible if he didn't know some of the characters who've been in the game for a long time used to be paid DLC.

[xanderglz]

Because it's a dumb question all things considered. We early access buyers got it like $10 cheaper anyway. Casuals as well as the competitive scene, we all helped funding continuous support for the game up to the state it is today, and if I had to pay DLC characters so the newcomers didn't have to, I wouldn't say that's wasted money. It's entitled to take the subsequent updates to the game for granted, because those were free of charge as well and according to OP's logic they should have come with a price tag too.

[Moony]

You get a special skin for getting the DLC before the definitive edition. Also the 4 new characters were previously workshop characters so everyone had (kind of) played them already.

[StuckInWashingMachine]

Originally posted by xanderglz:

Because it's a dumb question all things considered. We early access buyers got it like $10 cheaper anyway. Casuals as well as the competitive scene, we all helped funding continuous support for the game up to the state it is today, and if I had to pay DLC characters so the newcomers didn't have to, I wouldn't say that's wasted money. It's entitled to take the subsequent updates to the game for granted, because those were free of charge as well and according to OP's logic they should have come with a price tag too.

What are you talking about? The game is still 30 bucks, it's always been 30 bucks. if anything you get it cheaper today because in the past this game never went on sale for as cheap as 12 bucks which right now it is.

and it's not entitled. Each character was about 10 bucks I think. (Correct me if I'm wrong). I didn't even like most of the characters when they first came out because most of them were underpowered. It wasn't until later that Dan started making them more viable. You could probably make a case for Ranno, Clairen, and Ori at the time as they got nerfed later, but the others needed buffs.

There is also nothing entitled about being miss informed. I wasn't told these characters would become free later on, much less was the whole concept of paying for the DLC being just "Supporting the developers." You're being really ignorant by saying that.

also A game making its money back with updates is its relivency. You dont have an online community if the devs arent engaged with it because interest will eventually fall down. I dont really understand how my logic can be flipped by this.

[StuckInWashingMachine]

Originally posted by Moony:

You get a special skin for getting the DLC before the definitive edition. Also the 4 new characters were previously workshop characters so everyone had (kind of) played them already.

but im not talking about them.

[D YellowMadness]

I've never seen a case where a fanbase didn't almost unanimously defend this kind of thing.

The A Hat in Time devs told their backers the DLC would be free for everyone if they reached a certain goal, they reached it, they charged everyone except the backers $5 after the first day, they warned almost no one that the DLC was coming (extremely late) or that it'd suddenly cost money so nearly everyone missed the free day, a bunch of backers didn't get it free, & it was released buggy & unfinished & didn't contain the content they originally said it would.

They also intentionally tricked people by saying on the store page, that the DLC adds co-op even though co-op was actually stealthily added for free & they didn't remove the lie after being called on it & they banned people for criticizing the 1st DLC or suggesting ways to improve it.

Most people still defend them & say it's not dishonesty even though direct lies were involved & even though the DLC was so deliberately designed to not be fun that there's a character whose entire role in it is to insult the player & stress is mentioned in it multiple times even though the game is marketed as cute & casual.

If people will defend that, they'll obviously defend this & almost anything else. People defend Sakurai for adding the most hated Fire Emblem character to Smash & then using the trailer to insult the kids he conned into buying it. Making a game qualifies you as a god on the internet.

[Oku]

"What the ♥♥♥♥ I bought Oblivion when it came out for $60 but now people can get it for as little as $5? Did I get screwed over?"

You got early access to content you got to enjoy for a long time before anybody got it cheaper or for free. I don't get how we can be this deep in to digital-dominated distribution of games and software and STILL have people that show up in forums when a price drops, or a consolidated edition is released, or a sale happens, or a giveaway happens, and go 'WTF I BOUGHT IT DAY ONE AND GOT TO ENJOY IT FOR AGES BUT NOW OTHER PEOPLE GET TO HAVE FUN WITH IT TOO BUT PAY LESS THAN I DID I GOT SCREWED GREEDY DEVS HUMPH GRUMBLE WHINE MOAN'

You paid to have access to those characters on release. You got what you paid for. Now to make the game more accessible and encourage more and more people to join and enjoy the game, the devs decided to consolidate characters in to a definitive edition instead of selling them separately, and you still got what you paid for. If your enjoyment of something is retroactively removed by the fact that somebody else got in far later for cheaper or for free, then you never actually enjoyed that thing, you enjoyed the feeling of superiority, like you paid for access to an exclusive club of "content owners".

Normal human beings get excited when lots of new people are able to join in to a thing they like, because normal human beings enjoy having more new people enjoy that thing with them.

I am very glad people with this mentality are, completely, ignored by developers.

[StuckInWashingMachine]

Originally posted by Keth:

"What the ♥♥♥♥ I bought Oblivion when it came out for $60 but now people can get it for as little as $5? Did I get screwed over?"

Well when you put it that way, you have a point.
Although I will say that when you were necroing my subtext you are being a massive cringe lord exaggerating an impression of me for the sake of twitter points.

Like who actually said that I dont want other people enjoying this game? as far as im concerned, you're the first person to bring up such a concept into this forum. I just want to know what I get for spending money on something whereas other people get it for free. It's usually common for devs to give their backers something.

Even Bungie gave the people who originally bought destiny stuff when the game went free to play. I mean This is the most ridiculous straw-man I've ever come across in my life. You're a clown for wasting so much effort fighting an imaginary dragon that you've created, you dingus.

You're also trying to make me backtrack a claim that I've already answered as a cherry on top for obvious steam forum trolls. Figures.

[Luigi]

The definitive edition released the same day as the Switch port. So I think the DLC characters getting added to the base roster was done to make it easier to purchase on Switch. The last thing you want to see on a game that "just released" is $20 of DLC. They probably included the update to the Steam version to not make it seam obsolete at the base game level.

[xanderglz]

Here's the thing, sunshines (kix and dyellowmadness): This isn't a crowdfunding project. People who bought it are not "backers", no one's owed anything. We knew exactly what we were getting day 1, and we obtained what we payed for in the case of DLC characters (which is, guess what: the character itself). I'd speculate the game got successful enough to cover the costs of consolidating the content, but whether you agree with the devs or not it's irrelevant because those are internal project/roadmap decisions and it's none of the concern of any outsider (b/c again, this isn't a kickstarter).

This isn't anyone "dEfENdInG" anything. It's people calling out flawed thinking and selfish entitlement. Simple as that.

[StuckInWashingMachine]

Originally posted by xanderglz:

Here's the thing, sunshines (kix and dyellowmadness): This isn't a crowdfunding project. People who bought it are not "backers", no one's owed anything. We knew exactly what we were getting day 1, and we obtained what we payed for in the case of DLC characters (which is, guess what: the character itself). I'd speculate the game got successful enough to cover the costs of consolidating the content, but whether you agree with the devs or not it's irrelevant because those are internal project/roadmap decisions and it's none of the concern of any outsider (b/c again, this isn't a kickstarter).

This isn't anyone "dEfENdInG" anything. It's people calling out flawed thinking and selfish entitlement. Simple as that.

youre being overly dramatic.
but i appreciate you listing my name considering the fact that I couldnt tell if you were talking to me.

your diassociation from the main topic wouldnt have provided any context otherwise.

[StuckInWashingMachine]

its so toxic to get called out for stuff i aint even saying. straw man assumptions that twitter snobs think they can push onto me because they feel like being elistest.
You guys are sad.