hard choice?

[grahammaddux]

does anyone remember in the game a point were you had to make a hard choice? like geting a companion or geting an esper. or was it betwine an esper and an item?

[76561197999585365]

Originally posted by Caprontos:

Originally posted by Kristo:

esper ragnarok isn`t that useful, all its does is morph monsters into items and it can fail.

Yeah but ragnarok sword is infinate.. Why would I take a non-missable over a missable?.. Regardless how uesless it might be... You don't need either to beat the game as its not that hard to become op.. But I guess if you don't care about attampting to have everything, sure no reason not to be a little stronger a little earlier..


Also looking it up It looks like you can get at lest two other Gold Hairpins + maybe some from the arena?... So no real good reason to lose a character over an accessory..

Originally posted by Kristo:

what is the point from stealing ragnarok on the final boss? the game end after? i mean you are not wrong but...

Ok I see the issue, In this version you can save after the final boss and keep the Ragnarok, which can be used in the bonus dungeon.. and I assume you can rebeat the final boss as many times as you want for as many as you need.. I think in the orginal and PS1 there was no save after the final boss right? which means you couldn't actually get both...

There's one other thing about the Ragnarok - Colloseum Shenanigans + Ragnarok = Illumina/Lightbringer, the best weapon in the game. Two of those (only doable in the re-release through stealing a Ragnarok + Colloseum Shenanigans) on Locke, in addition to a few choice relics, gives him 255 phys and mag evasion, making him pretty much untouchable.

I remember leaving my DS on all night with him in a fight to test the theory - was not dissapointed LOL.

[Zimmm]

Originally posted by Caprontos:

I think its an esper Ragnarok, or the Sword Ragnarok.. Not Excalibur.. But you can steal Ragnaroks from the final boss, and keep them.. So there isn't really any reason to not take the esper which I think is competely missable.. -Again if I remember correctly.. Not ever been that big on FF6..

yah Excalibur could only be gotten beating middle boss in Kefka's tower u get it so near the dam end

Ragnarok sword could be put in arena for one best swords in the game, forget the name i remember it cast Pearl spell, not sure what they call it now

seriously get strong weapon or have team all cast Ulimata the best spell in whole game...hmm id take Esper Magicite thanks lol

[Kristo]

ok that explain it i only played and finished the snes version so that why i didn`t know you could save after the final boss thx

[Reiska]

There's both the Ragnarok sword vs. esper choice (esper is optimal in this version of the game, steal the sword from the final boss) and the Gauntlet vs. Genji Glove choice (neither are especially good in normal play but Genji Glove is marginally better IMO).

[Kristo]

i also say go for the esper.

[Icedfate]

I'm not sure, but I think in the part where you have to make a choice between getting Mog and getting the item, you can go for the item and still get Mog later in the world of ruin.
the only difference is if you take mog in the world of balance, you can get his water rondo dance, but if you let him fall and wait until the world of ruin to get him, then you miss the opportunity to get all his dances.so if you wanted the water rondo, you had to take Mog in the world of balance and then hoof it all the way back around and through the veldt and then through the mariana trench again and then walk back around again.(in the old version)
however, in the updated version, they added a new boss, Leviathan in the world of ruin and if you bring Mog into that battle, you can still get his water rondo, so there's no reason not to take the item when you have to make the choice between mog and the item because you can still get mog later anyway.

there's also a few chests early on, if you ignore them and walk past them and don't take them, when you come back that way in the world of ruin, the chests contents will have been "upgraded" and they will have better loot, but the stuff is non essential so it's up to you whether you want low grade consumables now or high grade consumables later.

gauntlet vs. genji glove.
I never used the gauntlet...ever. I used the genji glove all the time.
in any final fantasy game that allows dual wielding, I will always choose dual wielding over sword and shield or the "2-handed weapon" skill.
some people say that genji glove + offering/master's scroll is the best combination, others claim it sucks.
every playthrough, I will always give locke the valiant knife and the genji glove+ offering so he attacks 4 times and at high levels, if he gets hit once and loses any health, his damage jumps up to 9999*4.
as opposed to ultima weapon which only does 9999 when you are at full health....

my point is, I suggest you always take the genji glove in that scene with terra and the returners. you can get another gauntlet later, but you can't get anymore genji gloves until the post game "bonus dungeon"


P.S.
a big pet peeve I have about the final fantasy games is the missable items. pretty much every final fantasy has at least 1 or more items that if you don't do a specific thing and talk to a specific person at a specific time at a specific point in the story. sometimes these items require you to backtrack to completed areas at specific times and if you don't get it at that specific time, you will never have the opportunity again.
I consider this to be bad game design because in many cases you would never even know that you missed an item unless you were using a walkthrough. in many cases, you would never even think to look for an item in this spot, unless you were using a walkthorugh.
so, i end up feeling compelled to use the walkthrough just so I don't miss these "missables" when I really would prefer not to use a walkthrough at all.
in many cases, I will go through 80% of the game without a walkthrough, i'll get stumped by something and look at a walkthrough real quick and as I scan through, I will notice items that I missed I can't go back and get them and then I feel compelled to start over just to get these "missables" and it kills the spirit because now i'm using a walkthrough.

[Saboteur [Death Squad]]

Waiting for Shadow :'(

[Icedfate]

Originally posted by Solid Snake:

Waiting for Shadow :'(

yep, that's one of the "missables", but, it does give you "strong" suggestions, and it's not really a "hard choice" where you choose that or something else, it's merely taking the time to wait. someone might not realize they have to wait though and just go and then bam, a character they will never get to use again. I hardly used shadow anyway...

[Electric Cupcake]

If you refuse to join the Returners the first time you're asked, you'll be given a valuable Genji Glove.

[Vork]

Originally posted by Caprontos:

Originally posted by Kristo:

esper ragnarok isn`t that useful, all its does is morph monsters into items and it can fail.

Yeah but ragnarok sword is infinate.. Why would I take a non-missable over a missable?.. Regardless how uesless it might be... You don't need either to beat the game as its not that hard to become op.. But I guess if you don't care about attampting to have everything, sure no reason not to be a little stronger a little earlier..


Also looking it up It looks like you can get at lest two other Gold Hairpins + maybe some from the arena?... So no real good reason to lose a character over an accessory..

Nah, you can still get Mog if you choose the hairpin. You just get him later in world of ruin and he will be missing some dances .... if I remember you cant get the underwater dance (no raft ride).

[Icedfate]

about mog, like I said earlier, in my post. in the old version, if you skip mog in the world of balance then you will never be able to get his water dance, but in the new version with the bonus content, you can fight the boss leviathan and if you bring Mog with you for that fight, you can still get his water dance. so you can let him fall in the world of balance and still get all his dances.

ps.
the economizer that the brachosaurs drop is extremeely rare. it's possible to level up everyone up to 99 and still not find one...also, in the new version they changed the name of the relic to "celestriad"

[Zimmm]

Originally posted by FeMaiden:

I'm not sure, but I think in the part where you have to make a choice between getting Mog and getting the item, you can go for the item and still get Mog later in the world of ruin.
the only difference is if you take mog in the world of balance, you can get his water rondo dance, but if you let him fall and wait until the world of ruin to get him, then you miss the opportunity to get all his dances.so if you wanted the water rondo, you had to take Mog in the world of balance and then hoof it all the way back around and through the veldt and then through the mariana trench again and then walk back around again.(in the old version)
however, in the updated version, they added a new boss, Leviathan in the world of ruin and if you bring Mog into that battle, you can still get his water rondo, so there's no reason not to take the item when you have to make the choice between mog and the item because you can still get mog later anyway.

there's also a few chests early on, if you ignore them and walk past them and don't take them, when you come back that way in the world of ruin, the chests contents will have been "upgraded" and they will have better loot, but the stuff is non essential so it's up to you whether you want low grade consumables now or high grade consumables later.

gauntlet vs. genji glove.
I never used the gauntlet...ever. I used the genji glove all the time.
in any final fantasy game that allows dual wielding, I will always choose dual wielding over sword and shield or the "2-handed weapon" skill.
some people say that genji glove + offering/master's scroll is the best combination, others claim it sucks.
every playthrough, I will always give locke the valiant knife and the genji glove+ offering so he attacks 4 times and at high levels, if he gets hit once and loses any health, his damage jumps up to 9999*4.
as opposed to ultima weapon which only does 9999 when you are at full health....

my point is, I suggest you always take the genji glove in that scene with terra and the returners. you can get another gauntlet later, but you can't get anymore genji gloves until the post game "bonus dungeon"


P.S.
a big pet peeve I have about the final fantasy games is the missable items. pretty much every final fantasy has at least 1 or more items that if you don't do a specific thing and talk to a specific person at a specific time at a specific point in the story. sometimes these items require you to backtrack to completed areas at specific times and if you don't get it at that specific time, you will never have the opportunity again.
I consider this to be bad game design because in many cases you would never even know that you missed an item unless you were using a walkthrough. in many cases, you would never even think to look for an item in this spot, unless you were using a walkthorugh.
so, i end up feeling compelled to use the walkthrough just so I don't miss these "missables" when I really would prefer not to use a walkthrough at all.
in many cases, I will go through 80% of the game without a walkthrough, i'll get stumped by something and look at a walkthrough real quick and as I scan through, I will notice items that I missed I can't go back and get them and then I feel compelled to start over just to get these "missables" and it kills the spirit because now i'm using a walkthrough.

thats a lot of stuff

if u save Mog he gives u Golden Pin, plus the tower has best item to make all your spells on one magic point

magic was never issue for me most time is just press attack im usually 90+ when i face Kefka, I only tried it once being 40-50 that fight only time i had swap out members

FF always easier then Dragon Quest, I'm never poor in FF lol im always to rich, DQ every time i get every item go next town im poor and poor again.

[Icedfate]

the tower has the relic that gives you double cast. the brachosaurs drop the relic that drops magic usage to 1 but they drop it so rarely. I myself never actually needed to use the gold hairpin either, I was explaining that what seems like a "hard choice" is now okay, you can pick either one and you won't miss out on anything.

the money problem in dragon quest...only seems to occur in the earlier games (1-4) for me. in all the other ones, I always had enough money.

except, in 8 and 9 when I was trying to fill out all the alchemy recipes, the shopping list is huge. It costs a ton to get all the materials for alchemy, but none of that is "essential". A large portion of the recipes are already obsolete by the time you can actually make them and you have plently of money if you just play the game normally.

Dragon quest 9...I dunno how anyone finishes 100% of the alchemy recipes legit, you need to craft over 200 agates of evolution which requires you to steal 1600 fresh waters from a certain enemy, there's only one enemy in the game that you can steal them from. you have to get 800 evencloths, 800 brightrocks...and a host of other things. although, those things can all be gotten without money except for 1 thing, you also need 200 chronocrystals which cost 50k each which costs 10 million. I have 400 hours clocked in the game and only have 1.5 million saved up, and still have not managed to craft a single ultimate/alchemiracle item.


although, the legacy bosses seems to give a lot of money, but I have not done too much there beyond leveling baramos to 45 and murdaw to 25.

and then there's the grind of leveling the main character to 99, 11 times in the same vocation in order to be able to farm out the best quality grottoes...but that's a tangent


it's too bad we don't get to see dragon quest 9 on steam, I'd rather play it here than on the tiny DS screen.

[Bud]

Originally posted by Caprontos:

I think its an esper Ragnarok, or the Sword Ragnarok.. Not Excalibur.. But you can steal Ragnaroks from the final boss, and keep them.. So there isn't really any reason to not take the esper which I think is competely missable.. -Again if I remember correctly.. Not ever been that big on FF6..

Yeah, that is what I was going to say. Honestly though, I picked the sword.