Gilgamesh is really a dummy and a joke?

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I always thought he was a scary and cool guy... but in this game lol... wtf.

[LilG]

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I--- serious? Gilgamesh?

The dude's most recent entry into the series involves him disguising himself by calling himself "Greg" and joning forces with a green chicken (Enkindu) to try and steal things from you. Later he grows 8 arms to "even the score" against your 8 person party. Of course, the fact that he dresses up in traditional clown costume (Kabuki) should be a big hint.

Some fun stuff though:

Gilgamesh is also inspired by Saitō Musashibō Benkei, a famous Japanese warrior monk said to have posted himself at Gōjō Bridge in Kyoto and dueled every passing swordsman, defeating 999 opponents and claiming their weapons. On his 1,000th duel, however, Benkei was defeated by Minamoto no Yoshitsune. Benkei devoted himself to Yoshitsune and became his faithful retainer throughout the rest of his life.

From the story of Benkei, Gilgamesh takes his preference for the naginata (Benkei's traditional weapon as a monk), his penchant for fighting on bridges, his collecting of weapons from enemies he defeats, and his friendship with the player's characters who defeat him. Benkei's devotion to Yoshitsune is the basis for Gilgamesh's association with Genji equipment—the Minamoto Clan is also called the Genji Clan, using the alternate pronunciation for the Chinese characters for mina and moto, gen and uji, respectively. Gilgamesh's face paint is based on traditional kabuki actors, for which Benkei is a popular character to portray.

(ALso, holy crap, due to the name filter certain Japanese names get censored. That's gotta ba fun. TAKE THIS FILTER! 源 義経 )

Uh wait what? he has a green chicken called Enkidu in XIV...that's very...strange but amusing.

[Gabby]

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I--- serious? Gilgamesh?

The dude's most recent entry into the series involves him disguising himself by calling himself "Greg" and joning forces with a green chicken (Enkindu) to try and steal things from you.

No, he introduces himself as Gilgamesh, HIldibrand calls him "Greg" because he couldn't remember the name "Gilgamesh" or even "Gil."

That's true, but he also goes with it.

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Final Fantasy is a neat mix of Japanese culture and styles with a LOOOOT of Western / Middle Eastern mythos. They draw from Viking, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Goth, Indian, Isreali, Hebrew, Mesopotanian, and many, many other culture to form their fantasy worlds. I just named some of the most common.

Bahamut is Arabian...or the name is, since is Arabian myth, he's a giant fish. Bahamut as a dragon is ripped right out of the D&D monster manual, much like every other creature that appeared in FF1.

That would be one of the cultures I left out but said I was leaving out, yes. And the D&D Monster manual gets most of it's monster ideas from similar sources. D&D gets credit for calling him a king of Dragons. If you want to be more specific, it should be a giant fish with a bull on it's head, the bull having four thouse eyes, ears, noses, mouths, tongues and feet (and is Kujata), the bull should be holding a giant rock and above the rock should be an angel carrying the seven layers of the world itself.

Of course that's just in A Thousand Arabian Nights... which is constantly held up as a poor translation of text or a mistake. There's actually an Arabian story in which Bahamut is a Dragon which stands on another giant fish named Liwash. And it's believed that in actuality Bahamut is the Dragon at all times, Liwash being the only big fish and he's simply between Liwash and Kujata on the stack.

All in all the Arabic "atlas" looks like this:

Seven Heavens
The First Earth (Inhabitants: man, genii and animals)
The Second Earth (Inhabitants: wind of suffocation)
The Third Earth (Inhabitants: stones of hell)
The Fourth Earth (Inhabitants: sulphur of hell)
The Fifth Earth (Inhabitants: serpents of hell)
The Sixth Earth (Inhabitants: scorpions of hell)
The Seventh Earth (Inhabitants: devil and his angels)
An Angel
A rock of Ruby
Kuyutha
Bahamut
Liwash
Fathomless sea
Realm of Air
Realm of Fire
Falak, the omnipotent serpent

Also sometimes Bahamut is depicted as a bull next to Kuyutha (Kujata). So really, the interpretation is just fine.

[Oberon]

Yeah, but FF1 also used Beholders, and those are a D&D original. Which is why they had to be renamed and redesigned for the US and subsequent releases.

[Gabby]

I'm not sure where you're going with this.

[Oberon]

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I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Well my initial point was that FF1 used the AD&D Monster Manual for it's enemy list. FF1 didn't make Bahamut a dragon because it was an accepted alternate interpretation, they did it because that's what D&D did.

That and the guy in charge of that was pretty up-front of how he copied D&D's systems, especially in regards to magic. In simple terms, FF1 is just an unofficial D&D game.

[Gabby]

That doesn't mean future games in the series didn't pull from mythos all over the world for their stuff. And again, the D&D Bahamut was derived from the actual Arabian legend.

[Vermissa Ermine: Teenage Vermin]

Gilgamesh comes from a small villiage where the men of the villiage dedicate their lives to finding the "Legendary Sword of Legend," generally considered Excaliber, but that's debateable. Each year, the villiage holds a torunament, where the greatest swordsmen clash, and the winner is allowed to use their villiage of Genji's pride and joy, The Genji Armor. It is caked with the blood, sweat, and tears of the strongest of the villiage, giving it it's unique hue. While it on it's own is an ordinary suit of armor, the shed will of the men who fought in it give in obscene power, making it on par with extradimntional relics such as the Vishnu Vest, found only in a sealed dungeon that only maybe exists. When ExDeath returned to power, he decimated the villiage, and only Gilgamesh and Enkidu were left alive. Gilgamesh rolls with ExDeath because he comes from a life where strength is the most valuable asset, and ExDeath is the strongest there is. He may not agree with ExDeath, he may loath ExDeath with every fibre of his being, but he respects him to a certain degree, and believes that if he aids ExDeath, he can continue his quest, and possible slay ExDeath when he grows strong enough, and reclaim his people's honor. He wears the Genji Armor not because it is strong, but because it is his people, and as he lives on, clad in their hopes and dreams, they live on. When fighting heroes he knows internally to be the ones to slay ExDeath, he holds back, and tests them, treating them not as enemies, but as rivals, who he earnesly wants to see grow stronger, and to aid him slay ExDeath for the untold suffering he has caused. His cocky attitude and arrogance lead him to folley, as he never needs to get seriosu durring the battle of the big bridge, nor the siege on the Barrier Tower. However, when you find him in the void, he adopts a much more grim attitude, knowing he has failed, and now only lives to be the remaining failure of ExDeath. The one that got away. Even bannished to the rift, he did not die, and as such Genji did not die.
Then, paradoxically, he kills himself so that he can live forever. In the messopetamian legend from which he stems, "The Epic of Gilgamesh," often considered the first Epic ever told, Gilgamesh loses his only friend and equal, Enkidu, and becomes wracked with fear of death. He learns of an elixer that can cure death perminantly, and retrieves it, only to wait before drinking it, and slumbering for a night, to tackle the adventure of immortality on the morrow. In the night, a serpent drinks the draught, and Gilgamesh is momentarily overcome with grief, before realizing that loss and death are integral parts of life, and facing his evening years with renewed vigor. As Gilgamesh, in the game, sacrifiecs himself to take down the Necrophobe's Barriers, he gives up that notion that he must be the last member of the Genji tribe to survive, and makes peace with his sacrifice. Coincidentally, he just defeated the very idea of death, and is now immortal, as death it's self no longer can best him. This, coupled with the amazing powers he gained in the void, are what allows him to bend space and time as a child bents clay, and visit as many realities as he wants, and forever seek The Legendary Sword of Legend. Gilgamesh is always the exact same Gilgamesh, in every game. Cannonically.
To reiterate, no. Gilgamesh is NOT a dummy and a joke. Gilgamesh is one of the best writen characters in any Final Fantasy game, and is my personal hero.
I also roleplay him. Because he's really fun to roleplay.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPYf8AwNvKg

1 hour and 43 minute- the whole gilgamesh story.

[Gabby]

Outdated.:)