Nurse deserves another Nerf, or a hard rework.

[No Help]

The nerf she received a few months ago was definitely deserved, and a step in the right direction, but while everyone is complaining about Trash Merchant, Nurse is still a huge issue.

Honestly? The only way to make current Nurse take skill, because hot take, she doesn't, is to only give her one blink and one blink only. Sure it's punishing, sure it's harder, but it certainly takes more skill than "blinking to where you last saw them and then using your second blink as a crutch"

And before anyone comes in here to start calling me "bad" or saying "You just can't loop her lmao" I want you to know that your opinion means nothing in the end because Nurse has zero counterplay :)

[Bleydoka]

nurse needs to get deleted. Her design doesn't belong in this game. She ignores pallets,bodyblocking, just everything survivors have for their defense.

[shade00]

Bleydoka님이 먼저 게시:

nurse needs to get deleted. Her design doesn't belong in this game. She ignores pallets,bodyblocking, just everything survivors have for their defense.

then dodge? she blinks and where shell land is estimated by the player
zig zag dont run straight ways, seriously there are ways to dodge ranged stuff
like a blink as they dunno where there gonna land specifically
i had a doctor trying to shock me i kept running in circles till eventually they tried hitting me >w< they got me once till the hitting began

nurse is an unknown when it comes to her power, the blink you cant fully project were youll land and if its going straight make a fast turn left right repeatably
dodging is key with blink or anything thats ranged

[Amogus]

shade00님이 먼저 게시:

Bleydoka님이 먼저 게시:

nurse needs to get deleted. Her design doesn't belong in this game. She ignores pallets,bodyblocking, just everything survivors have for their defense.

then dodge? she blinks and where shell land is estimated by the player
zig zag dont run straight ways, seriously there are ways to dodge ranged stuff
like a blink as they dunno where there gonna land specifically
i had a doctor trying to shock me i kept running in circles till eventually they tried hitting me >w< they got me once till the hitting began

nurse is an unknown when it comes to her power, the blink you cant fully project were youll land and if its going straight make a fast turn left right repeatably
dodging is key with blink or anything thats ranged

There are only twp kinds of juking that can reliably work on her, and both of them involve there being a decent gap between the survivor and the killer.

1. Running around a corner and baiting her into blinking way ahead of you
2. When she tries to charge up for a long distance blink, turning around and start running towards her

There is little to no potential for juking in a loop or when she is within ~10 meters of you because the blink is so fast that only an inexperienced nurse would miss a shot like that. This is why only having a single blink in situations like loops would be a relatively decent balancing change due to her blink allowing her to effectively cover both sides of a loop at the same time with rapid fire blinks.

Compare her rapid blinks to killers like Spirit or Dredge whose power is a one-time use for a given scenario. If they try to use their power and end up screwing up, such as a survivor juking them on a pallet throw/slide, they don't get a second chance the way the nurse does with a 2nd blink. While they have no room for error, the nurse has 1 chance to fix her mistake by being able to blink back after missing.

[Terratrox]

 Maximum Glove Gaming 님이 먼저 게시:

shade00님이 먼저 게시:

then dodge? she blinks and where shell land is estimated by the player
zig zag dont run straight ways, seriously there are ways to dodge ranged stuff
like a blink as they dunno where there gonna land specifically
i had a doctor trying to shock me i kept running in circles till eventually they tried hitting me >w< they got me once till the hitting began

nurse is an unknown when it comes to her power, the blink you cant fully project were youll land and if its going straight make a fast turn left right repeatably
dodging is key with blink or anything thats ranged

There are only twp kinds of juking that can reliably work on her, and both of them involve there being a decent gap between the survivor and the killer.

1. Running around a corner and baiting her into blinking way ahead of you
2. When she tries to charge up for a long distance blink, turning around and start running towards her

There is little to no potential for juking in a loop or when she is within ~10 meters of you because the blink is so fast that only an inexperienced nurse would miss a shot like that. This is why only having a single blink in situations like loops would be a relatively decent balancing change due to her blink allowing her to effectively cover both sides of a loop at the same time with rapid fire blinks.

Compare her rapid blinks to killers like Spirit or Dredge whose power is a one-time use for a given scenario. If they try to use their power and end up screwing up, such as a survivor juking them on a pallet throw/slide, they don't get a second chance the way the nurse does with a 2nd blink. While they have no room for error, the nurse has 1 chance to fix her mistake by being able to blink back after missing.

You can also force her to overshoot by tucking into terrain and heavily restricting where she can blink to. I've dropped pallets to force the Nurse to blink to the other side instead of on top of me, for example.

And yeah. Nurse gets countered by winning mindgames instead of Survivors being 100% safe in most situations. Nurse's blinks aren't fast either. A full blink cycle at full charge is something like 8 seconds before the fatigue. It only seems quick because you're not watching the Nurse the whole time she's doing her thing. If Nurse is shorting her blinks, she needs to be careful to not trigger the flickering effect that happens when you blink too short in addition to any last second jukes you make.

Stealth works better than other things against Nurse. Perks like QnQ, Iron Will, Dance With Me, and UE screw Nurse over because they deprive her of information on your exact location, which she requires to blink to you. She can blink to a corner, but if you can run stealth and succeed AND know how to mindgame, she won't be able to catch you unless she reads you perfectly.

[KamikaziFly]

Boom Keg Enjoyer님이 먼저 게시:

The nerf she received a few months ago was definitely deserved, and a step in the right direction, but while everyone is complaining about Trash Merchant, Nurse is still a huge issue.

Honestly? The only way to make current Nurse take skill, because hot take, she doesn't, is to only give her one blink and one blink only. Sure it's punishing, sure it's harder, but it certainly takes more skill than "blinking to where you last saw them and then using your second blink as a crutch"

And before anyone comes in here to start calling me "bad" or saying "You just can't loop her lmao" I want you to know that your opinion means nothing in the end because Nurse has zero counterplay :)

I counter Nurse just fine. I've made Nurses rage quit. They leave me cause they know they are wasting time chasing me instead of those on gens as they pop. At this point I realize they won't even give me a pity hit while chasing another when I try to take a hit. I have to go full sabotauge mode to make them chase me the rest of match. Poor baby Nurses...

[shade00]

ones who complain should better spend that time learning ways to win
instead of complaining of a challenge
challenges are tests if you cant past the test then move along
as the trials are literally tests themselves to see if you can escape, or if the killer can sacrifice you.
you will never escape every match, you will never sacrifice everyone each time.
you will always meet your better

would love to see those who complain take on some truly hard games
as NPCS can be far worse then an actual people in so many cases
just wait till we get AI'S instead of regular NPCS we would never win

but all in all
play as the killer in custom against bots, see how hard she is to play
then come back and complain after seeing how much skill it takes to play as her
not only that find some ways to beat her by playing as her
custom is always the best pre training ground in learning how to combat stuff
now we just need a killer bot to train against
but survivor bots give you insight as to how killers play

[KamikaziFly]

shade00님이 먼저 게시:

ones who complain should better spend that time learning ways to win
instead of complaining of a challenge
challenges are tests if you cant past the test then move along
as the trials are literally tests themselves to see if you can escape, or if the killer can sacrifice you.
you will never escape every match, you will never sacrifice everyone each time.
you will always meet your better

would love to see those who complain take on some truly hard games
as NPCS can be far worse then an actual people in so many cases
just wait till we get AI'S instead of regular NPCS we would never win :smilekit:

but all in all
play as the killer in custom against bots, see how hard she is to play
then come back and complain after seeing how much skill it takes to play as her
not only that find some ways to beat her by playing as her
custom is always the best pre training ground in learning how to combat stuff
now we just need a killer bot to train against
but survivor bots give you insight as to how killers play

Agreed! For the most part.

But... I played one match as killer against 4 actual bots in hopes of testing out the new killer's powers, and I monched the bots like they were being fed to me on a conveyor belt. I wasn't even using my powers! At 5 gens, had 2 hung, realized I was going to win with no bot progress. I felt nothing for those robots. I wasn't going to wait for them to try harder nor take pity. I just hung them all asap to end the match. I was actually bored.

Granted that I would love to see an AI take over for any player that had DC'd! Any movement at all is better than losing a player on either side. Even if all that bot could do was be walked to a hook, that still spends lots of killer time while gens are worked on, and gives killer hook points.

[Tunnel = surrender]

What about if nurse couldn't blink over pallets?

[shade00]

killer easy as hell님이 먼저 게시:

What about if nurse couldn't blink over pallets?

shes too slow to really do much, blink is her main thing
if she got halted via pallets each time or every object nurses would most likely never get anyone.
then loopers and types like that would always win out over her or a higher % anyway

[KamikaziFly]

killer easy as hell님이 먼저 게시:

What about if nurse couldn't blink over pallets?

Some of my best looping survivor friends love to pallet stun Nurses. Its possible, but it takes mind games, and players at [old] high MMR are pretty good at mind games.

[Mors_Indecepta]

As with most killers, to be effective against them, you need to understand how to play against their weaknesses. She changes the rules of the game, it doesn't mean she's overpowered. If you learn that you're playing against a Nurse, and then attempt to play against her like you would any other killer...you're going to have a bad time. The other two "S tier" killers have a higher kill rate than Nurse, and are both easier to play.
I recommend doing a little research on the subject.

[TheOneTruePigeon]

Nurse has counterplay, and I hate to tell you but it's just a case of "Git Gud Scrub." Put obstacles between you so it's harder to judge blinks, go to a higher area and then run towards her when she starts charging a blink (always a really good laugh...)

[KamikaziFly]

Tricking Nurse into teleporting into basement or onto a different floor is incredibly easy. Running towards her and dodging to the side is also easy counterplay.
As nurse I love when survivors commit to an action such as fast vaulting long pallets that I can meet them on the other side of with vengeance.