The Pig

[PrinceCharming]

plz buff I beg you, also plz no nerf

[Commander Fluffles]

Out of interest what buffs would you propose?

[PrinceCharming]

Originally posted by Commander Fluffles:

Out of interest what buffs would you propose?

Could probably make her Dash more...Ambushy.

Rework her add-ons, currently only 2 of them affect her Dash and it's sad, so you're never encouraged to use it because standing up is quicker and ironically more of an ambush.

Have her RBT's automatically activate at End-Game Collapse, at most you'll see 5 RBT's due to only 1 add-on giving her 1 extra and it even fits with the lore, you have to escape the trap before you escape, now they aren't that much of a threat unless you get extremely unlucky AND waste your time.

And the hatch still doesn't affect you even when activated and with the rise of keys it wouldn't be so bad.

Make Rule Set No. 2 base, why should you be able to see the Jigsaw boxes when they aren't even activated? HELL if they make it base I'm fine with them not activating at EGC because then during the game the RBTs waste time. Which is good.

And that's just ideas I came up with now as we speak.

Also just a P.S: A common add-on outclasses most other add-ons. Because it's the only one that affects her crouching/standing up speed. WHY can't we have an add-on that makes her crouched walking speed faster???

[Commander Fluffles]

I'm personally not a fan of making Rule set No. 2 Base, It would really screw over new players, being able to see boxes gives survivors a goal to work towards, I don't think making all boxes hidden would help.

The Pigs traps in my opinion aren't really made to get kills they are made to slow down the game, hiding jigsaw boxes will just make going against her frustrating every match not really fix her issues.

[PrinceCharming]

Originally posted by Commander Fluffles:

I'm personally not a fan of making Rule set No. 2 Base, It would really screw over new players, being able to see boxes gives survivors a goal to work towards, I don't think making all boxes hidden would help.

The Pigs traps in my opinion aren't really made to get kills they are made to slow down the game, hiding jigsaw boxes will just make going against her frustrating every match not really fix her issues.

Well yeah, new players get screwed over by everything, that's how you get better.

Yeah, the RBT's are made to slow down the game, and they're doing a terrible job at it since they don't pose much of a threat considering you only have 4 (maximum 5) and they aren't exactly hard to get off unless you are being tunneled, your RBT is active AND you wasted a lot of time.

It's more frustrating using an RBT and having it be taken off the first time they use a jigsaw box.

Also, Rule set No. 2 isn't exactly a bad idea, it forces the survivors to...

A: Run around and hopefully waste time.
B: Finish a gen and have it BE a threat.

[Simka]

Originally posted by ChristmasPrince:

Originally posted by Commander Fluffles:

Out of interest what buffs would you propose?

Could probably make her Dash more...Ambushy.

Rework her add-ons, currently only 2 of them affect her Dash and it's sad, so you're never encouraged to use it because standing up is quicker and ironically more of an ambush.

Have her RBT's automatically activate at End-Game Collapse, at most you'll see 5 RBT's due to only 1 add-on giving her 1 extra and it even fits with the lore, you have to escape the trap before you escape, now they aren't that much of a threat unless you get extremely unlucky AND waste your time.

And the hatch still doesn't affect you even when activated and with the rise of keys it wouldn't be so bad.

Make Rule Set No. 2 base, why should you be able to see the Jigsaw boxes when they aren't even activated? HELL if they make it base I'm fine with them not activating at EGC because then during the game the RBTs waste time. Which is good.

And that's just ideas I came up with now as we speak.

Also just a P.S: A common add-on outclasses most other add-ons. Because it's the only one that affects her crouching/standing up speed. WHY can't we have an add-on that makes her crouched walking speed faster???

activating traps when EGC starts would be a nice idea, the biggest issue imo with her RBT is just the RNG-factor. it feels like 70% of time the survs get free of the RBT at the damn first box like you said. maybe i was to stupid for it, but can pig actualy grab survs from gens while crouched? if not that would also be a lovly change <3 but maybe im just to stupid to get it done lol

edit: also maybe that you can only get rid of the RBT when its active so that it even can became a threat

[Seiryurin]

Rules Set No.2 as baseline is a horrible idea. I'd rather not.

Peppa's Pig Buffs and Add-on Reworks

- Baseline Changes

Reverse Bear Traps now activate during the time between the start of the endgame collapse and the last generator being powered.

Skill checks for Jigsaw boxes are made significantly smaller. The skill checks are now slightly larger than the skill checks of a generator affected by level 1 Overcharge.

Skill checks for Jigsaw boxes now appear randomly on the screen in different areas. Similar to the madness affliction.

The first Jigsaw box is now always a false box. Survivors will not be able to get traps off at the first Jigsaw box anymore. But will instead get a trap off on one of the subsequent boxes.

- Add-on Reworks

Workshop Grease: The sound cue that plays before a Jigsaw Box skill check is slightly delayed. Equivalent to 2 tokens on Huntresses Lullaby. Does not stack.

Utility Blades: Survivors hit by your ambush attack are inflicted with the Hemorrhage status effect for 60 seconds. Survivors caught in a Reverse Bear Trap suffer from the Hemorrhage status effect until the trap is removed.

Razor Wires: Makes the sound cue that plays before a Jigsaw Box skill check moderately delayed. Equivalent to 4 tokens on Huntresses Lullaby. Does not stack.

Face Mask: Upon a failed or canceled Jigsaw Box search, the aura of Jigsaw Boxes are hidden for 15 seconds.

Slow Release Toxin: Upon a failed or canceled Jigsaw Box search, survivors suffer from the Exhausted and Hindered status effect for 30 seconds.

Rusty Attachments: Survivors hit by your ambush attack are inflicted with the Mangled Status effect for 60 seconds. If a survivor fails 3 skill checks during a single Jigsaw Box search, it drops them to the Injured state. Survivors cannot be put into the dying state by failing skill checks.

Jigsaw's Sketch: Remove the timer penalty. Adds One Jigsaw Box.

Interlocking Razors: Tremendously Increases the penalty of failed skill checks on Jigsaw Boxes. If a survivor fails 3 skill checks during a single Jigsaw Box search, they are dropped one health state.

Jigsaw's Annotated Plan: The first two Jigsaw's boxes survivors search are guaranteed failures.

Tampered Timer: Tampered Timer now reduces the timer of Reverse Bear Traps by 15 seconds instead of 30.

Amanda's Secret: If a survivor is wearing a Reverse Bear Trap gets unhooked, the timer for their Reverse Bear Trap activates.

Rules Set No.2: Survivors now must search all Jigsaw boxes within the trial to get a Reverse Bear Trap off. Increases the timer of a Reverse Bear Trap by 15 seconds.

Amanda's Letter: Increase movement speed while crouched by 7%. Auras of survivors are now revealed while crouched and during an ambush attack in a 16 meter radius. This no longer affects her Jigsaw Box and Reverse Bear Trap count. She starts the trial with 4 of each (unless an add-on states otherwise).



That's my take on it.

[PrinceCharming]

Originally posted by Vindicare:

Originally posted by ChristmasPrince:

Could probably make her Dash more...Ambushy.

Rework her add-ons, currently only 2 of them affect her Dash and it's sad, so you're never encouraged to use it because standing up is quicker and ironically more of an ambush.

Have her RBT's automatically activate at End-Game Collapse, at most you'll see 5 RBT's due to only 1 add-on giving her 1 extra and it even fits with the lore, you have to escape the trap before you escape, now they aren't that much of a threat unless you get extremely unlucky AND waste your time.

And the hatch still doesn't affect you even when activated and with the rise of keys it wouldn't be so bad.

Make Rule Set No. 2 base, why should you be able to see the Jigsaw boxes when they aren't even activated? HELL if they make it base I'm fine with them not activating at EGC because then during the game the RBTs waste time. Which is good.

And that's just ideas I came up with now as we speak.

Also just a P.S: A common add-on outclasses most other add-ons. Because it's the only one that affects her crouching/standing up speed. WHY can't we have an add-on that makes her crouched walking speed faster???

activating traps when EGC starts would be a nice idea, the biggest issue imo with her RBT is just the RNG-factor. it feels like 70% of time the survs get free of the RBT at the damn first box like you said. maybe i was to stupid for it, but can pig actualy grab survs from gens while crouched? if not that would also be a lovly change <3 but maybe im just to stupid to get it done lol

edit: also maybe that you can only get rid of the RBT when its active so that it even can became a threat

No, she can not do anything when crouched except standing up or ambushing which freezes her movement for a second or two.

Which is why Combat Straps(Brown/common add-on) because it now only takes 1 second(If I remember correctly) to stand up and crouch down, which in turn makes it a lot easier to get grabs and hits in general because instead of a loud "RAAWWRR" all they hear is your blade extending.

[PrinceCharming]

Originally posted by Peppa Pigsaw:

Rules Set No.2 as baseline is a horrible idea. I'd rather not.

Peppa's Pig Buffs and Add-on Reworks

- Baseline Changes

Reverse Bear Traps now activate during the time between the start of the endgame collapse and the last generator being powered.

Skill checks for Jigsaw boxes are made significantly smaller. The skill checks are now slightly larger than the skill checks of a generator affected by level 1 Overcharge.

Skill checks for Jigsaw boxes now appear randomly on the screen in different areas. Similar to the madness affliction.

The first Jigsaw box is now always a false box. Survivors will not be able to get traps off at the first Jigsaw box anymore. But will instead get a trap off on one of the subsequent boxes.

- Add-on Reworks

Workshop Grease: The sound cue that plays before a Jigsaw Box skill check is slightly delayed. Equivalent to 2 tokens on Huntresses Lullaby. Does not stack.

Utility Blades: Survivors hit by your ambush attack are inflicted with the Hemorrhage status effect for 60 seconds. Survivors caught in a Reverse Bear Trap suffer from the Hemorrhage status effect until the trap is removed.

Razor Wires: Makes the sound cue that plays before a Jigsaw Box skill check moderately delayed. Equivalent to 4 tokens on Huntresses Lullaby. Does not stack.

Face Mask: Upon a failed or canceled Jigsaw Box search, the aura of Jigsaw Boxes are hidden for 15 seconds.

Slow Release Toxin: Upon a failed or canceled Jigsaw Box search, survivors suffer from the Exhausted and Hindered status effect for 30 seconds.

Rusty Attachments: Survivors hit by your ambush attack are inflicted with the Mangled Status effect for 60 seconds. If a survivor fails 3 skill checks during a single Jigsaw Box search, it drops them to the Injured state. Survivors cannot be put into the dying state by failing skill checks.

Jigsaw's Sketch: Remove the timer penalty. Adds One Jigsaw Box.

Interlocking Razors: Tremendously Increases the penalty of failed skill checks on Jigsaw Boxes. If a survivor fails 3 skill checks during a single Jigsaw Box search, they are dropped one health state.

Jigsaw's Annotated Plan: The first two Jigsaw's boxes survivors search are guaranteed failures.

Tampered Timer: Tampered Timer now reduces the timer of Reverse Bear Traps by 15 seconds instead of 30.

Amanda's Secret: If a survivor is wearing a Reverse Bear Trap gets unhooked, the timer for their Reverse Bear Trap activates.

Rules Set No.2: Survivors now must search all Jigsaw boxes within the trial to get a Reverse Bear Trap off. Increases the timer of a Reverse Bear Trap by 15 seconds.

Amanda's Letter: Increase movement speed while crouched by 7%. Auras of survivors are now revealed while crouched and during an ambush attack in a 16 meter radius. This no longer affects her Jigsaw Box and Reverse Bear Trap count. She starts the trial with 4 of each (unless an add-on states otherwise).



That's my take on it.

I like most of your ideas, Interlocking razors however seems a bit...weak and in very noob-ish situations. I'd rather have an ultra-rare which means if you fail any Jigsaw Box skillcheck you will be injured no matter what, but doesn't down you. And it increases the amount of skillchecks, kinda like Trapper's Bloody coil.

Assuming of course the skillchecks are harder now.

Rule Set No 2 seems just veery hard, because then you can initially just screw over the person on their last Jigsaw Box by blocking it.

Which is why the luck of the Jigsaw Boxes is a doubled edged sword, it either really screws you over OR it completely makes the RBT a joke and you get it off 15 seconds later and it wasn't even activated.

But I do like the Ambushing Add-ons, they really need to encourage it more because on paper it seems like a great idea but it just isn't worth it majority of the time, so like the Wraith's add-on, any succesful Ambush should apply a mangled effect that only get's removed upon being healed.

Add-ons that apply something for a limited time is pretty bad and almost never used due to their timer.

And it fits with the lore I mean you are put to the "test" and only through "will strenght" will survive.