Pennywise as the Killer?

[Old Wizened Fingers]

Well since the new release of the quite frankly amazing new revamp of the film It, I feel like it would be fitting for Pennywise the Dancing Clown to be added as a Killer ton Dead by Daylight. I literally can't think of a reason why not; we have Leatherface and Michael Myres as killer's atm so Pennywise would make a perfect edition. Any agreements?

[Sogekihei]

I agree, would love to see a Pennywise like killer.

[Old Wizened Fingers]

Strawberry Thunder님이 먼저 게시:

I agree, would love to see a Pennywise like killer.

It would be such great timing as well. And there is lot's they could do with him ability wise.

[Bunamini]

*Triggered*

Alright now let's have fun :

1 - Pennywise doesn't fit the lore
2 - Not adequate in any way to DBD's universe
3 - Strong lack of originality
4 - Make some non licensed killers
5 - ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CLOWNS !!!!

there. I hate clowns. No clowns for dbd, thank you, stop with the hype, thank you.

[Old Wizened Fingers]

Asude님이 먼저 게시:

*Triggered*

Alright now let's have fun :

1 - Pennywise doesn't fit the lore
2 - Not adequate in any way to DBD's universe
3 - Strong lack of originality
4 - Make some non licensed killers
5 - ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CLOWNS !!!!

there. I hate clowns. No clowns for dbd, thank you, stop with the hype, thank you.

"Pennywise doesn't fit with the lore", well they managed to get Myres and Leather Face implemented into the lore so i'm sure Pennywise wouldn't be too much trouble. "Strong Lack of Originality", and can you give me a Dead by Daylight killer that has a sense of Originality save for maybe the Hag? And you being biased against clowns just makes your whole argument invalid anyway.....so idk

[Bunamini]

Huhuh, I've got some arguments too, but I did not think it was necessary to explain, but if you're asking me so politely :)

Pennywise is not a human in the first place, he's some kind of ... weird illusion, all of DBD's killers are/were humans before the Entity corrupted them. So Pennywise is not fit for DBD's lore, argument valid.

Strong lack of originality, I could change my mind on that if someone actually came up with an incredible ability concept, but just folllowing the hype like a good sheep is absolutely nothing original, to support this argument; Pennywise has been suggested more than 20 times on this very forum.

And about me being biased for clown killers; well; i've got my personal opinions too, doesn't mean my arguments are invalid, as proven just above. And the Wraith in his very lore, in the fact that he's merely an non-licensed killer makes him more original than Pennywise, alongside the Nurse, the Trapper, the HB ( cuz he was inspired from LF, not LF itself ), the Huntress, etc ...

Now, i'm not really sorry to say that, but there won't be a Pennywise. Not saying that there won't ever be a clown killer ( although I really hope not ) but if there is, it's gonna be Jester style. Not fully clown.

[Old Wizened Fingers]

Asude님이 먼저 게시:

Huhuh, I've got some arguments too, but I did not think it was necessary to explain, but if you're asking me so politely :)

Pennywise is not a human in the first place, he's some kind of ... weird illusion, all of DBD's killers are/were humans before the Entity corrupted them. So Pennywise is not fit for DBD's lore, argument valid.

Strong lack of originality, I could change my mind on that if someone actually came up with an incredible ability concept, but just folllowing the hype like a good sheep is absolutely nothing original, to support this argument; Pennywise has been suggested more than 20 times on this very forum.

And about me being biased for clown killers; well; i've got my personal opinions too, doesn't mean my arguments are invalid, as proven just above. And the Wraith in his very lore, in the fact that he's merely an non-licensed killer makes him more original than Pennywise, alongside the Nurse, the Trapper, the HB ( cuz he was inspired from LF, not LF itself ), the Huntress, etc ...

Now, i'm not really sorry to say that, but there won't be a Pennywise. Not saying that there won't ever be a clown killer ( although I really hope not ) but if there is, it's gonna be Jester style. Not fully clown.

They could easily find a way to implement the Entity into Pennywises lore, if anything this encourages more originality since they would have to come up with a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unique story behind him being in the game. And even so, who plays this game for lore anyway? I certainly don't, if i want lore i'll go to Skyrim or Dark Souls.

And your biased against Clowns doesn't change the fact that a Pennywise Killer being introduced now would be an excellent move and excellent timing.

[Bunamini]

Pontiff Sulyvahn님이 먼저 게시:

Asude님이 먼저 게시:

Huhuh, I've got some arguments too, but I did not think it was necessary to explain, but if you're asking me so politely :)

Pennywise is not a human in the first place, he's some kind of ... weird illusion, all of DBD's killers are/were humans before the Entity corrupted them. So Pennywise is not fit for DBD's lore, argument valid.

Strong lack of originality, I could change my mind on that if someone actually came up with an incredible ability concept, but just folllowing the hype like a good sheep is absolutely nothing original, to support this argument; Pennywise has been suggested more than 20 times on this very forum.

And about me being biased for clown killers; well; i've got my personal opinions too, doesn't mean my arguments are invalid, as proven just above. And the Wraith in his very lore, in the fact that he's merely an non-licensed killer makes him more original than Pennywise, alongside the Nurse, the Trapper, the HB ( cuz he was inspired from LF, not LF itself ), the Huntress, etc ...

Now, i'm not really sorry to say that, but there won't be a Pennywise. Not saying that there won't ever be a clown killer ( although I really hope not ) but if there is, it's gonna be Jester style. Not fully clown.

They could easily find a way to implement the Entity into Pennywises lore, if anything this encourages more originality since they would have to come up with a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unique story behind him being in the game. And even so, who plays this game for lore anyway? I certainly don't, if i want lore i'll go to Skyrim or Dark Souls.

And your biased against Clowns doesn't change the fact that a Pennywise Killer being introduced now would be an excellent move and excellent timing.

Now that's your opinion. I know i'm not the only one that hates the idea of making a clown killer. And about the lore, it does have its importance, since it defines the ambiance, the universe of the game. That's part of why there's no weird ♥♥♥♥ coming up on DBD such as spectres or demons. Believe it or not, the lore defines the limits of this game.

And you're very very wrong about the story behind him. They'd make it up ? Then it wouldn't be Pennywise, it would just be a clown killer, I mean, you can't change a movie's story and just say "yeah that's one guy from this, but he's got a different" story. But if you're thinking that it would make it original, then you're agreeing with me than a non-licensed killer would be more original than just a licensed.

And, info : I haven't played in like 3-4 weeks, the only thing keeping me 'round here is just cause I'm fond of DBD's lore. And there are many, many other people that also play cause they enjoy the lore, the ambiance.

[Old Wizened Fingers]

Asude님이 먼저 게시:

Pontiff Sulyvahn님이 먼저 게시:

They could easily find a way to implement the Entity into Pennywises lore, if anything this encourages more originality since they would have to come up with a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unique story behind him being in the game. And even so, who plays this game for lore anyway? I certainly don't, if i want lore i'll go to Skyrim or Dark Souls.

And your biased against Clowns doesn't change the fact that a Pennywise Killer being introduced now would be an excellent move and excellent timing.

Now that's your opinion. I know i'm not the only one that hates the idea of making a clown killer. And about the lore, it does have its importance, since it defines the ambiance, the universe of the game. That's part of why there's no weird ♥♥♥♥ coming up on DBD such as spectres or demons. Believe it or not, the lore defines the limits of this game.

And you're very very wrong about the story behind him. They'd make it up ? Then it wouldn't be Pennywise, it would just be a clown killer, I mean, you can't change a movie's story and just say "yeah that's one guy from this, but he's got a different" story. But if you're thinking that it would make it original, then you're agreeing with me than a non-licensed killer would be more original than just a licensed.

And, info : I haven't played in like 3-4 weeks, the only thing keeping me 'round here is just cause I'm fond of DBD's lore. And there are many, many other people that also play cause they enjoy the lore, the ambiance.

Some humans are simply bad seeds. Seeds infused with a distilled and pure form of evil. Michael Myers is one of those seeds. He had no issues with causing the pain of others. Instead, it was exactly what he sought. But even life can be tough on those with minds filled with terror. The difference is just how one goes about to solve those problems. For Michael, he had to kill to find some inner peace. As he took his sister’s life, the police found a silent boy dressed as a clown at the scene.

When one stumbles upon a growing fire, one does not pour gasoline on it. But this was an action taken by officials that had no idea how it would shape this demon in the boy’s body. Sending Michael to a mental institution was a feeble attempt to save the child. Unsuccessful therapy and nightly screams just made him even more introverted and deranged. People hoped that Michael Myers would end up a parenthesis, soon to be forgotten and buried, a failure that soon were to rot away. But then...he escaped. < Michael Myres lore in Dead by Daylight, describes his actual lore and then at the end leaves it open to speculation and that the entity somehow got him. They could easily do a similar thing with Pennywise. And the idea of the game having "boundaries" and realistic killers is quite a stupid thing to say when there is a formless, multi-dimensional, infinitely powerful entity using killers to do it's bidding. So the concept of something alien like has already been introduced. So no, I don't think Pennywise is out of the question at all.

[Bunamini]

Ugh ... you're making it difficult to understand, now I checked a little bit on Myers's biography and surprise : it's the same both in DBD and Halloween, becaue Myers in his very concept is a human, corrupted and devoid of humanity. And it's convenient for you to answer now, I watched the movie "It" yesterday, and as much as I reckon it's a good movie, it convinced me even more than Pennywise isn't fit at all for DBD. He's basicly just smoke, and overall he gets beaten by kids, he's somewhat ridiculous.

Thing is : Myers is real, Pennywise isn't, the Entity can only corrupt humans, it is not some kind of joker to insert absolutely any killer they want. If they changed Myers's lore, they did it in a way so they wouldn't damage DBD's universe. But Pennywise isn't human in the first place and he's off-topic, which is why developping Pennywise would be like a slap accross the lore's face.

[Old Wizened Fingers]

Asude님이 먼저 게시:

Ugh ... you're making it difficult to understand, now I checked a little bit on Myers's biography and surprise : it's the same both in DBD and Halloween, becaue Myers in his very concept is a human, corrupted and devoid of humanity. And it's convenient for you to answer now, I watched the movie "It" yesterday, and as much as I reckon it's a good movie, it convinced me even more than Pennywise isn't fit at all for DBD. He's basicly just smoke, and overall he gets beaten by kids, he's somewhat ridiculous.

Thing is : Myers is real, Pennywise isn't, the Entity can only corrupt humans, it is not some kind of joker to insert absolutely any killer they want. If they changed Myers's lore, they did it in a way so they wouldn't damage DBD's universe. But Pennywise isn't human in the first place and he's off-topic, which is why developping Pennywise would be like a slap accross the lore's face.

Well there is always room for change, you just seem like someone who doesn't like being out of routine and/or is horrified by the idea of change or going against specific boundaries. Dead by Daylight on a whole is a ridiculous game, e.g. the Nurse can teleport, the Wraith can go invisible. Just because Pennywise goes against the games current idea of lore does not mean he would "Slap the lore in the face", if anything i think Pennywise being added would freshen up the lore, as well as introduce new possibilities. I mean you are the perfect example of what i mean; the lore being the same for so long has hardened people against the idea of it being anything different.

[Bunamini]

Pontiff Sulyvahn님이 먼저 게시:

Asude님이 먼저 게시:

Ugh ... you're making it difficult to understand, now I checked a little bit on Myers's biography and surprise : it's the same both in DBD and Halloween, becaue Myers in his very concept is a human, corrupted and devoid of humanity. And it's convenient for you to answer now, I watched the movie "It" yesterday, and as much as I reckon it's a good movie, it convinced me even more than Pennywise isn't fit at all for DBD. He's basicly just smoke, and overall he gets beaten by kids, he's somewhat ridiculous.

Thing is : Myers is real, Pennywise isn't, the Entity can only corrupt humans, it is not some kind of joker to insert absolutely any killer they want. If they changed Myers's lore, they did it in a way so they wouldn't damage DBD's universe. But Pennywise isn't human in the first place and he's off-topic, which is why developping Pennywise would be like a slap accross the lore's face.

Well there is always room for change, you just seem like someone who doesn't like being out of routine and/or is horrified by the idea of change or going against specific boundaries. Dead by Daylight on a whole is a ridiculous game, e.g. the Nurse can teleport, the Wraith can go invisible. Just because Pennywise goes against the games current idea of lore does not mean he would "Slap the lore in the face", if anything i think Pennywise being added would freshen up the lore, as well as introduce new possibilities. I mean you are the perfect example of what i mean; the lore being the same for so long has hardened people against the idea of it being anything different.

First off, don't you make a prior judgement on me please, I have expressed my hatred for clown killers, very true, but that comes from the fact that I saw it too many times, and I grew tired of it, you may see an example down below, there's a topic called Killer Suggestion : the Clown, you'll see what I mean.

And Second of all, I don't make the rules, if you wanna complain on how rigid the story is, don't do it with me, do it with the devs, that's their game and they make the rules, gameplay or lore, it's all up to them. And i'll agree with them when they'll say in some eventual DBD dev stream that they cannot add Pennywise due to not breaking the game atmosphere.

And if you think that people have been hardened by the game being different, then more than anything, the devs won't want to make a game breaking change, and I know for a fact ( previous discussions ) that many people won't be happy with a clown killer.

And when you argue, please focus on the elements you argue over, not the person you're talking to, it's very rude and most of the time, absolutely untrue.

[Old Wizened Fingers]

Asude님이 먼저 게시:

Pontiff Sulyvahn님이 먼저 게시:

Well there is always room for change, you just seem like someone who doesn't like being out of routine and/or is horrified by the idea of change or going against specific boundaries. Dead by Daylight on a whole is a ridiculous game, e.g. the Nurse can teleport, the Wraith can go invisible. Just because Pennywise goes against the games current idea of lore does not mean he would "Slap the lore in the face", if anything i think Pennywise being added would freshen up the lore, as well as introduce new possibilities. I mean you are the perfect example of what i mean; the lore being the same for so long has hardened people against the idea of it being anything different.

First off, don't you make a prior judgement on me please, I have expressed my hatred for clown killers, very true, but that comes from the fact that I saw it too many times, and I grew tired of it, you may see an example down below, there's a topic called Killer Suggestion : the Clown, you'll see what I mean.

And Second of all, I don't make the rules, if you wanna complain on how rigid the story is, don't do it with me, do it with the devs, that's their game and they make the rules, gameplay or lore, it's all up to them. And i'll agree with them when they'll say in some eventual DBD dev stream that they cannot add Pennywise due to not breaking the game atmosphere.

And if you think that people have been hardened by the game being different, then more than anything, the devs won't want to make a game breaking change, and I know for a fact ( previous discussions ) that many people won't be happy with a clown killer.

And when you argue, please focus on the elements you argue over, not the person you're talking to, it's very rude and most of the time, absolutely untrue.

Well you seem to be taking this way too personally, either that or you have simply run out of things to argue and now are simply acting as if you have taken offense so that i do not continue to question you. Either way if the devs continue with this linear black and white rule book for what should and shouldn't be a killer, this game will get very boring very quickly. Now may i pose a question? If you do not think a clown based killer then what, may i ask, would be your ideal next killer? I'm curious as you seem to reject anything that goes against the current lore.

[Bunamini]

Pontiff Sulyvahn님이 먼저 게시:

Asude님이 먼저 게시:

First off, don't you make a prior judgement on me please, I have expressed my hatred for clown killers, very true, but that comes from the fact that I saw it too many times, and I grew tired of it, you may see an example down below, there's a topic called Killer Suggestion : the Clown, you'll see what I mean.

And Second of all, I don't make the rules, if you wanna complain on how rigid the story is, don't do it with me, do it with the devs, that's their game and they make the rules, gameplay or lore, it's all up to them. And i'll agree with them when they'll say in some eventual DBD dev stream that they cannot add Pennywise due to not breaking the game atmosphere.

And if you think that people have been hardened by the game being different, then more than anything, the devs won't want to make a game breaking change, and I know for a fact ( previous discussions ) that many people won't be happy with a clown killer.

And when you argue, please focus on the elements you argue over, not the person you're talking to, it's very rude and most of the time, absolutely untrue.

Well you seem to be taking this way too personally, either that or you have simply run out of things to argue and now are simply acting as if you have taken offense so that i do not continue to question you. Either way if the devs continue with this linear black and white rule book for what should and shouldn't be a killer, this game will get very boring very quickly. Now may i pose a question? If you do not think a clown based killer then what, may i ask, would be your ideal next killer? I'm curious as you seem to reject anything that goes against the current lore.

I'm not taking it personnaly, i'm preventing you from making me.

An ideal killer shouldn't have its originality rely on its very lore, but on its gameplay and what it brings to the game. I'm not saying that the lore is pointless, of course not, but in-game, i'll give you that, people are more focused on gameplay than lore.

There's no ideal killer, you'll always have complaints and good feedback on killers, people's opinions are way too different, as proven above.

Now if you want me to tell you what killer would please, i'd send you back to a DLC project i made recently, but I don't know if you'll be able to have an objective point of view on it, since you and I have been pretty much in conflict the moment this topic started. Else :

http://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/5/2765630416821678196/

Now i'll accept any constructive comments on how I can improve this project, so if you've got any ideas to improve this, please enjoy yourself.

[KAL!]

I'm scared to enter this, but maybe Pennywise comes in because he wants to? I mean he feeds off of people's fears so he could come in just because it's free food for him.

[Bunamini]

Galaple님이 먼저 게시:

I'm scared to enter this, but maybe Pennywise comes in because he wants to? I mean he feeds off of people's fears so he could come in just because it's free food for him.

I'm afraid that's not how it works, Pennywise is exclusive to Derby or whatever ♥♥♥♥ town he comes from. He cant just come cause he wants to.