Benedict Baker is the entity.

[Bonus-Kun]

Just tought about this, My reasons are:
in his notes there is apparently a mistake on the dates, which could be the entity's lack of complete understanding of the real world.
Also his notes altough incomplete give hope to survivors, since a little information is better than nothing.
and finally, he seems to know every killer and every survivor but he is nowhere to be seen.

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Benedict starts his notes by writing that "it all started in..." meaning that he's writing this in the future and is remembering the dates. Humans don't really have a good internal clock for determining time and he could be guessing what the date is by asking the other survivors who are younger than him.

His notes don't really give hope to the other survivors, in fact, he seems to lose hope during the last journal entries by saying things like "I don't think I can leave this place" (Para-phrasing) which makes it seem like he himself is losing hope.

He seems to know every killer since he's the only survivor with a method of recording the killers. Benedict is not the only survivor to have taken notes, such as Clyde's tapes. We also know that other survivor can physically bring things into the Entity because of Alex's Toolbox which is owned by Alex.

Finally, if Benedict was the Entity, why would Michael Myers and Bill be in the game? The devs did confirm that The Halloween characters and Bill WERE canon in the game, meaning that Bill's zombie infested world does exist, probably in other universe.

[Bonus-Kun]

Originally posted by PattyTheSquirrel:

Benedict starts his notes by writing that "it all started in..." meaning that he's writing this in the future and is remembering the dates. Humans don't really have a good internal clock for determining time and he could be guessing what the date is by asking the other survivors who are younger than him.

The thing is that he did not make a normal mistake, he is supposed to start his story in the real world in 1956 or something like that, then in his notes he start signing them in 1856. Going 100 years in the past takes more than an imperfect internal clock.

Originally posted by PattyTheSquirrel:

His notes don't really give hope to the other survivors, in fact, he seems to lose hope during the last journal entries by saying things like "I don't think I can leave this place" (Para-phrasing) which makes it seem like he himself is losing hope.

That, or could make it like that to make them realistic, kinda like if he were throwing a bone to the survivors, he keeps the info incomplete and not really optimistic, but it's something, something that might give them some hope.

Also, if you look at the killers stories, not one of them was a survivor. Probably the only way out of the real of the entity is actually lose hope.

anyway, what does michael and Bill being canon has to do with this?

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Originally posted by Kuuga:

Originally posted by PattyTheSquirrel:

Benedict starts his notes by writing that "it all started in..." meaning that he's writing this in the future and is remembering the dates. Humans don't really have a good internal clock for determining time and he could be guessing what the date is by asking the other survivors who are younger than him.

The thing is that he did not make a normal mistake, he is supposed to start his story in the real world in 1956 or something like that, then in his notes he start signing them in 1856. Going 100 years in the past takes more than an imperfect internal clock.

Originally posted by PattyTheSquirrel:

His notes don't really give hope to the other survivors, in fact, he seems to lose hope during the last journal entries by saying things like "I don't think I can leave this place" (Para-phrasing) which makes it seem like he himself is losing hope.

That, or could make it like that to make them realistic, kinda like if he were throwing a bone to the survivors, he keeps the info incomplete and not really optimistic, but it's something, something that might give them some hope.

Also, if you look at the killers stories, not one of them was a survivor. Probably the only way out of the real of the entity is actually lose hope.

anyway, what does michael and Bill being canon has to do with this?

As for the time, I don't really know since he's incredibly inconsistent in the time, I usually just assume it's a mistake on behalf of the developers. I highly doubt that he would turn the years back 100 years if he was the Entity for seemingly no reason.

As for the journal not giving hope to the survivors, I'm going to turn to literally my oldest theory which ended up turning into 22 pages of mega-theory. My original theory originated from one question, who wrote the character backstories for the killer and survivors? It may seem like a stupid question, but if you look at the lore of the 4 original survivors and compare them to the 3 original killers, there's a HUGE amount of difference in the way they were written. The survivors stories are short, concise, and are based off of horror movie stereotypes: Dwight is the nerd, Jake is the rebelious teenager, Meg is the athlete, and Claudette is the nerd. Now comapre that to the killer's backstories, The Trapper, for example, has an additional paragraph of lore compared to most of the other original survivors. His lore explains his relationship with his father and how he treated his workers, it even talks about Archie's death and why Evan killed 200+ workers because of it. The Wraith was a lowly scrapyard worker who, unknowingly, killed countless numbers of people because his boss was working with the mafia. These backstories are like two authors who are vastly different in the amount of experience with writing. My theory was that Benedict wrote the backstories for the survivors based off the conversations he had with them and the Entity wrote the killer backstories because it had been watching them this entire time.

Now, this is extremely important to figuring out if Benedict is the Entity because you actually see a shift in the way that the survivor backstories are written and especially a change in detail with the Docter's backstory. Look at Feng Min, compared to Dwight's steroeotypical "he's a nerd that needs to become a leader" backstory, Feng Min has motivation and actually starts to spiral out of control as her gaming career comes to a close. Feng Min's story is a story about an obsessed performer who will do anything to become the best at her art. An even better example is The Docter, who has a much longer backstory compared to the Trapper, his backstory talks about his education and how he was a master in his classes but got trapped by the government and was manipulated into torturing people so much and so often that he began to enjoy it and wanting to do it more. The point is, if Benedict was the Entity, then why would he be progressivley adding more detail to the new survivor's backstory and the killer's backstory?

tl;dr The Killer's backstory and the Survivor's backstory are vastly different, suggesting they were written by two different people. The survivor and killer's backstories get progressivley more detailed as new killers and survivors are introduced which makes no sense if Bendict was the Entity.

(Jesus Christ that was a lot of paragraphs)

Also, Bill and MM are important because they're from two seperate universes. Bill is in the L4D universe, MM and Laurie Strode are in the Halloween Universe, and everyone else is in the DBD Universe. (Side Note: It seems like Laurie got pulled directly from the first movie into the Entity's realm because her default clothes are the clothes she wears in the first movie.)

[Bonus-Kun]

Well, but there is also that problem that we don't know who writes the bios, maybe them being known is not part of the canon lore and it's just for the players.
But anyway, let's pretend there is someone writing their stories, it would be possible that the entity writes both, As you know, the Entity selects the killers and pushes them until they become useful for it. then it kidnaps someone when the killings make it stronger. So who do you think the entity is more familiar with? Also both bios becoming more detailed at the same time would mean one same author, and it keeps the same thing of killer bios being long and survivors shorter.

about the extremely inconsistent dates, it could be explained by the entity being unable to fully understand the real world and many things on it, dates could be part of it, you know, not knowing how to write them.

Now i still don't get how the different universes affect this, but I'm not saying that the entity is a guy named Benedict Baker, but the entity taking the Alias and the form of a guy named Benedict Baker to keep the survivors doing it's will. So it is still a monster from other dimension, that could still travel trough diferent universes.

Now just with another theory, imagine that the survivors are indeed dead, Claudette in a car crash, jake and meg victims of nature, Nea and David killed by someone, etc. If you are a fan of ghost stories like me, you'll know that in some stories the ghosts are ghost because they do not relinquish their attachment to life, and they do not accept their own deaths, Imagine this is the same and they all are ghost, which could explain why they have superhuman feats, and the entity feeds on their false hope of leaving alive, and when they lose all hope of survival, they just go to their destiny. It would make sense to create this Baker persona to keep them scared of losing hope. And keep them running in circles.

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I would understand that the Entity is more familiar with the killers because I assume it watches them closely. However, you need to understand that the Entity is a god which physically needs hopeful survivors to help it survive and grow more powerful. Imagine the Entity's realm like hunting for the Entity, the killers are the type of weapon it uses to hunt it's prey and the survivors are the prey itself. I would personally consider the prey to be more important, since even the most incompetant killer can still kill people, for example, the Hillbilly (by "incompetant" I mean "not smart").

With the inconsistent dates, I see two possible explanations, either the Entity (If the Entity was Benedict) being truthfull about what date it is or lying about what date it is. We know that the Entity IS a 5th dimensional creature, as it can travel through dimensions. We also know that it can travel through time because of the Docter's backstory. If the Entity was being truthful and knew the dates, then for some reason he made his realm 100 years in the past at the exact same year as the start of his investigation. If the Entity was lying, then it is purposly showing the dates to the survivors to confuse them. I don't really understand the idea behind either possibility but this is the Entity we're talking about.

As for the DLC character, I thought your theory was saying that the Entity wasn't a real thing and the entire realm was created by Benedict. That was just a miscommunication between us.

I actually wrote a small theory about all the survivors being dead, but then Laurie kind of disproved that because, while she did die in the fourth movie, the creators act like that movie never happened and H20 COMPLETELY disregards that. Basically, Laurie didn't die by Michael Myers in the first movie or in every other movie.

An interesting little addon to your theory is, if the Entity used Benedict as an alias, perhaps every other unplayable survivor is just another level of alias (Vigo, Alex, etc.)

[Bonus-Kun]

Originally posted by PattyTheSquirrel:

I would understand that the Entity is more familiar with the killers because I assume it watches them closely. However, you need to understand that the Entity is a god which physically needs hopeful survivors to help it survive and grow more powerful. Imagine the Entity's realm like hunting for the Entity, the killers are the type of weapon it uses to hunt it's prey and the survivors are the prey itself. I would personally consider the prey to be more important, since even the most incompetant killer can still kill people, for example, the Hillbilly (by "incompetant" I mean "not smart").

Well, that would be true, but according at least to what says on the wiki, the entity seems to be more invested in selecting the killers:

"To eat, the Entity reaches out into the hearts of susceptible victims and corrupts them into performing hideous acts because the only way for it to manifest itself in the real world is through an act of extreme violence ending in death. "

"The first victims are the corrupted ones, those pushed to do the deeds that summoned this ancient evil in the first place - the killers. Some have to be tortured over endless years to be coerced into doing what the Entity wants. The Entity is ever patient and the torture ever more severe. Eventually they all cave in and start the hunt for the Entity. "

"Prey for the Entity comes in the form of victims - Survivors. Normal people who stumble into these corrupted areas and are pulled through by the Entity with no memory of how it happened. Once they awaken by the campfire in the nightmare, there is no escape for them. "

As you see, the entity's key of entrance to the world are the killers, who the entity should force into opening it's way into the real world, then someone just gets dragged in. So the killers are more carefully chosen.

Yeah, i know this doesn't add much to the Benedict is the Entity (Or more like the entity is Benedict) I just wanted to state it.

Originally posted by PattyTheSquirrel:

I actually wrote a small theory about all the survivors being dead, but then Laurie kind of disproved that because, while she did die in the fourth movie, the creators act like that movie never happened and H20 COMPLETELY disregards that. Basically, Laurie didn't die by Michael Myers in the first movie or in every other movie.

But as far as I know, she dies in both timelines, in H20 and in the original continuity. And as a spirit she does not have to have the aged body she has when she dies.

Now just something to add to that, watching all the survivors, it is pretty possible that they are indeed dead. My ideas of how they died are:
Dwight: Alcohol poisoned, as the result of a bad played prank.
Jake: Maybe of illness or by an animal.
Meg: An accident while running.
Nea: Killed by some one on the asylum.
Ace: Killed by one of his victims.
David: Probably killed in a fight, by a revenge or in one of his jobs.
Laurie: By Michael Myers.
Claudette: In a car crash.
Bill: we all know.
Feng: Probably killed by someone in the places she frecuented.

[MirkwoodWarrior]

I kinda skimmed twords the bottom so I am super sorry If I am just repeating someone else. (It was a lot to read all at once. lol)

I personally do think all of them are dead. I never considered how they died, I guess I just assumed that some how they wandered onto the maps, or the entity itself killed them. Like for instance some of the surviors were last seen in the woods. Like maybe Dwight drunkenly stumbled onto the abandoned Asylum and decided to take refuge there, and the Enity pulled him in. Maybe they aren't even fully dead, but were close enough to death that The Enitity had power over them, considering that the bios almost always mention that the bodies were never found. I think because it mentions Bill, Laurie, and Mike that maybe The Entity can pull across universes. I believe that this means that the actual realm that the Enity lives in is its own seprate place away from other realities. I think this allows it to create its own world.

This all ties in because I do not think that Benidict is The Entity. I think that it is possible for him to be in This world for 100 years because the Entity allows it. Maybe he can remember everything perfectly because time is different there. Who says they eat or sleep normally? It seems to suggest that after each "Round" Surviors are returned to the camp, almost like it is a full day. So maybe they are just doomed for eternity to survive or die over and over again. Since Laurie and Mike are still both human, they *could* have been taken at old age and the Entity decided to make they young again because old people can't vault through windows.

I think it is possible that Benidict is the oldest survior there and is in atleast some small way corruptied by the Entity and could still be a tool used to manipulate the survivors, or maybe that is why he is no longer seen, maybe it killed him because he was leaving notes to help the other survivors and he started to say too much.

Ive only recently been paying attention to lore so I am sure there is a lot I've missed, but that is kind of the theme I've been having lately.

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(I'm not going to quote the last post since this post will get ridiculously long if I do.)

Perhaps the Entity doesn't choose the survivors, but rather slightly changes their surrounding to lead them to it's realm. This is because, from the quotes you gave Kuuga, it seems that, if the Entity were to force a person into it's realm, that this person would be able to actually resist the Entity and leave it's realm. Only if a survivor stumbles upon the Entity's "portals" to it's realm (Those portals being the actual physical places that the Killers are from) will it be brought into the Entity's realm with no way of escaping.

And, just to get this out here. Laurie does not die in H20, the ending scene of the movie has Laurie driving a van into MM, driving off the road, and trapping MM against a tree. Laurie survives the crash and walks out of the van, she sees MM against the tree and grabs an axe. While she does have a little moment of sympathy with MM since, he is her older brother, but then takes the axe and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chops with head off. Along with this, the clothes Laurie wears are the same clothes that she wears in the first Halloween movies, which she doesn't die in. While the "all survivors are dead" theory does have a lot of evidence, Laurie's death is contradictory with everything else in the franchise beyond that point and the creators of that movie act like that movie never exists.

Also, I'd like to note a bit of evidence for Benedict being the Entity. If Benedict was from 1845, he would definitely write differently than he actually does. What I mean by this is that, slavery in the US was abolished in 1865, meaning that he would've been taken into the Entity's realm while people still had ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slaves. If he was a survivor, then I don't think he would take too kindly to Claudette if he was for slavery. Either it's a mistake on behalf of the devs, or the Entity's realm is part of some type of time loop 100 years ago. I also believe that the reason why survivors are stuck in this realm, is because the realm itself is stuck in a time loop. This is why it's always night. The survivors aren't stuck in a time loop, but they can change the time of night it is, whether it is early in the night and therefore it is brighter (correct me if I'm wrong about night being brighter when it is earlier in the night) or make it darker, or later in the night (Again, correct me if I'm wrong about that).

[MirkwoodWarrior]

I don't know much about the Halloween movies. I have seen them forever ago, but I don't remember them enough to acruately comment on them, but I think just because she didn't die in the movies doesn't mean she didn't die at some point. Maybe that suggests that she was pulled from somewhere after the timeline of the movie. But dead or not, I don't think it is their spirit or ghosts or whatever trapped in this world, I think it is their actual physical forms so in reality, it could be a mixture of both.

Lets not forget that the Tagline is "Death is not an escape" that could be referring to the fact that just because they died that doesn't mean that they wont suffer, but that could also be applied to the loop. It can be argued either way I guess.

I really like your theory about it never even being day, I guess I just assumed that the days were just dark. But that would make sense because the game is called "Dead by Daylight" but then there is no day and they are just dying over and over. It definelty gives me a feeling of hopelessness.

I had never considered the time period racistness. haha. I guess it is possible. Maybe by the time he met Claudette he just didn't care anymore.

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Originally posted by MirkwoodWarrior:

I don't know much about the Halloween movies. I have seen them forever ago, but I don't remember them enough to acruately comment on them, but I think just because she didn't die in the movies doesn't mean she didn't die at some point. Maybe that suggests that she was pulled from somewhere after the timeline of the movie. But dead or not, I don't think it is their spirit or ghosts or whatever trapped in this world, I think it is their actual physical forms so in reality, it could be a mixture of both.

Lets not forget that the Tagline is "Death is not an escape" that could be referring to the fact that just because they died that doesn't mean that they wont suffer, but that could also be applied to the loop. It can be argued either way I guess.

I really like your theory about it never even being day, I guess I just assumed that the days were just dark. But that would make sense because the game is called "Dead by Daylight" but then there is no day and they are just dying over and over. It definelty gives me a feeling of hopelessness.

I had never considered the time period racistness. haha. I guess it is possible. Maybe by the time he met Claudette he just didn't care anymore.

I have watched every single movie and I have binged watched the first 2 or 3 movies for Halloween last year, so I know my movies. I even bought and read the novel that came out with the first Halloween movie.

Perhaps "Death is not an escape" is refering to the fact that, since the night seems to loop over and over again, that when they do die by daylight (all pun intended) the night resets. It refers to how the survivors might think that, once they die, that they will escape this hell and the "motto" of sorts is refering to how the Entity works.

I have also researched 1800's cults (as you do) and learned of an interesting cult called "Neo-Druidism". This was a cult in the mid to late 1800s that believed in the same faith as the ancient druids around the same time that Ceaser was alive. Now, Druids are depicted to have the ability to shapeshift, to be able to change their shape. Just like how the Entity can change it's shape, note that the devs did confirm that the everything we play in in DBD IS the Entity, like, the physical Entity. Not only is the Entity able to change it's shape, but the survivors are able to change the Entity as well with the offerings. It's like the Entity is a god that's able to be influence by gifts or offerings.

Now, why is Neo-Druidism important? It is important because they believe in a god named "Be'al" or "the source of all things". This god is important because this god's symbol is fire, FIRE. Fire is in every map in the entire game and the campfire is where the survivors can give offerings to the Entity. Benedict even says when holding the skeleton-key that it almost burns his hand with the amount of power it has. Keep in mind that everywhere we play in in DBD IS the Entity, meaning that fire is basically the sign that the Entity is there, along with crows and trees. The word Druid even means "knowing the oak tree". Even the powers they get are related to the Entity and it's realm, more specifically, the killers get these powers. Some of these mythological powers include: being able to live forever (How the killers and survivors don't seem to age), rituals that follow a set pattern (the ritual in which survivors need to be placed on hooks for a minute), Omens that are signs of future events (Do I even need to explain why?), Supernatual forces that don't belong in the normal world (The time-loop and the Entity's ability to mimic real-life locations), and a prophet that claims to have recieved divine messages or insights (Benedict ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Baker). I rest my case.

[MirkwoodWarrior]

Okay. Here is the thing. Not knowing anything about Neo-Druidism, I decided to look it up. I would like to see your sources because I do not see anywhere or anything that represents what you're talking about. Based upon the information I found, Neo-Druidism seems to be a positive and nature loving cult. As to how one of their gods could be portrayed as this dark and this evil seems very out of place, as an extension the god Be'al doesn't really exist either. There is no god that is represented by fire with that name. There is a god "beal" without an apostrophe who is a god in Hebrew that is representative of "Lords, Masters, and Husbands" but I think it is safe to say that I don't think this is The Entity. There is a god named "Baal" who is the "Soul Eater" God. If you're gonna go with a god this is probably the closest you're gonna get to The Entity. Although I believe that the god's name itself *is* The entity. It could be a loose, far off reference to The Horror movie "The Entity" but I am uncertain considering that movie was very controversial as it had strong themes of Rape in it. Based on the information I found Neo-Druidism doesn't seem to fit this example in the slightest nor does the god Be'al. As I said before this is just off the information I found and would like to see any sources you have on the subject.

Setting Neo-Druidism Aside I think you have your symbolism all out of order.

Fire itself is not a negative symbolism. For the most part, it is commonly symbolized purity and rebirth, but also motivation and passion. Those are not things that I think The Entity wants to inspire in his play things. When the survivors die they are burned up and the surrounding trees are burned for a moment as they are ascending into the sky with The Entity but I think this represents the rebirth of that Survivor. After all, death is not an escape, right? The campfire itself is always symbolized as a place of rest and safety and is only seen in the "lobby" where they are not actively being hunted, even though the killer overlooks their little resting place as if he is not allowed to attack them. There are no campfires on the maps, just barrels of burning fire. I don't think these barrels mean anything other than a design choice as a way of lighting the map before generators are on.

Crows are seen as messenger of death and I don't think that Oak trees are the symbolism, I think it is just trees in general, as in a forest or heavily wooded area. Which is normally seen as hopelessness or being lost. Since Forests is a common occurrence, even after you escape and are sitting at the campfire, I think it is the atmospheric setting, it would make sense both ways, the entity feeds off of hopelessness, and forests give an isolated feeling. How terrifying would it be to be lost in the woods? it is a common theme amongst horror movies.

The presence of the Entity is depicted through black fog or black smoke. This is a common Symbolism, in paranormal occurrences, literary and movie examples. You see the smoke almost everywhere even with the absence of fire. Such as if you go into a basement the ceiling is always layered by fog which is always worse after it has already been summoned.

The reason I still bring this all up is because I still don't believe that Benedict Baker is the Entity. Because I have not been interested in the lore of DBD until recently I went to the Wiki Page. I understand this is a fan page, but it did mention That Benedict Baker recounts a few memories and experiences from before "The Fog". It does back up the portal theory because apparently he was headed to The Macmillian estate and does not remember how he got to "The Strange Place" It did speculate that Benedict Baker may be released as a killer in future updates, and if this is the case, that is a twist that excites me. It is entirely possible that Benedict Baker hasn't even talked to all of the survivors. Who is Alex? You can get his rare toolbox. Or Clyde who is mentioned only through perks and not by Benny himself.