Bill (L4D) and the Entity's Realm - an Insight?

[Mister Grin]

Anyone who played Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2 or read the comics knew that the sacrifice that Bill took that the developer mentions in the Spotlight is a very particular map at the end of one of the campaigns. Canonically, Bill activates a lever to raise a bridge, cutting his fellow survivors off from the undead horde. He died to make sure they lived.

So here's my question . . .

Bill died. He was dead. You even find his body in a crossover map you play in L4D2, playing alongside NPCs of the first game's survivors.

So if he died and was brought to the Entity's realm, does this mean that the other survivors are already dead too, and their spirits(?) are being tormented and fed on by the Entity? Or were some of them kidnapped alive and brought to some dimensional pocket-plane that is the Entity's realm? If so, is there a difference between the living survivors and the already-dead survivors?

This has been eating at me ever since I watched the Bill Spotlight video ._.

[CaptHicks]

Yeah, and also the fact that Laurie Strode also died in the (god awful) remakes. I feel as if the entity's world is in the middle of a web and all other worlds are connected to it. Once you die, you travel through the web to the entity's world. There are more survivors than you would think.

[Mister Grin]

Originally posted by CaptHicks:

Laurie Strode also died in the (god awful) remakes..

We don't talk about those >.>

[Mari]

OH! A good counter idea- why do you think Unbreakable is a perk?! Being able to get up from DYING state! :D

So what if he kind of cheated death?! That would explain the perk.

Also, Ace.. It's cannon that he was gone, when they came to get the money, not dead, gone.

What do ya think?

[Wretched72]

Originally posted by Captain Thanatos:

OH! A good counter idea- why do you think Unbreakable is a perk?! Being able to get up from DYING state! :D

So what if he kind of cheated death?! That would explain the perk.

Also, Ace.. It's cannon that he was gone, when they came to get the money, not dead, gone.

What do ya think?

You do see his corpse in the passing dlc for left 4 dead 2, and he is very much dead canonically for L4D. But for none of the survivors does it say whether they alive or dead. Dwight drinks homebrewed moonshine which is known to be quite toxic depending on ingredients it could have lethally poisoned him. Ace had numerous debts he could have been caught by a different collector discreetly. Nea went to tag the aslyum, hardly a safe place and the others went missing in the woods. They all could have suffered an accident and gone have died. Or some died, some are alive.

[Mari]

Originally posted by Wretched Egg:

Originally posted by Captain Thanatos:

OH! A good counter idea- why do you think Unbreakable is a perk?! Being able to get up from DYING state! :D

So what if he kind of cheated death?! That would explain the perk.

Also, Ace.. It's cannon that he was gone, when they came to get the money, not dead, gone.

What do ya think?

You do see his corpse in the passing dlc for left 4 dead 2, and he is very much dead canonically for L4D. But for none of the survivors does it say whether they alive or dead. Dwight drinks homebrewed moonshine which is known to be quite toxic depending on ingredients it could have lethally poisoned him. Ace had numerous debts he could have been caught by a different collector discreetly. Nea went to tag the aslyum, hardly a safe place and the others went missing in the woods. They all could have suffered an accident and gone have died. Or some died, some are alive.

Ah, I think Nea burnt the asylum down.. But anyhow..

I didn't disagree.. I just added up, to what you said... I read all that was written in this post.. So I know..

But Unbreakable makes sense as a perk, if he managed to cheat death BY ENTERING the realm of the Entity.. See where I am going? Should have been more clear ;P

[Wretched72]

Originally posted by Captain Thanatos:

Originally posted by Wretched Egg:

You do see his corpse in the passing dlc for left 4 dead 2, and he is very much dead canonically for L4D. But for none of the survivors does it say whether they alive or dead. Dwight drinks homebrewed moonshine which is known to be quite toxic depending on ingredients it could have lethally poisoned him. Ace had numerous debts he could have been caught by a different collector discreetly. Nea went to tag the aslyum, hardly a safe place and the others went missing in the woods. They all could have suffered an accident and gone have died. Or some died, some are alive.

Ah, I think Nea burnt the asylum down.. But anyhow..

I didn't disagree.. I just added up, to what you said... I read all that was written in this post.. So I know..

But Unbreakable makes sense as a perk, if he managed to cheat death BY ENTERING the realm of the Entity.. See where I am going? Should have been more clear ;P

Nah, it says in the wiki she went to tag it, she isn't an arsonist. And I see what you mean about the perk making sense if he cheated death but I think it's more along the lines of surviving Vietnam and the majority of the outbreak with breaking mentally

[Mari]

Originally posted by Wretched Egg:

Originally posted by Captain Thanatos:

Ah, I think Nea burnt the asylum down.. But anyhow..

I didn't disagree.. I just added up, to what you said... I read all that was written in this post.. So I know..

But Unbreakable makes sense as a perk, if he managed to cheat death BY ENTERING the realm of the Entity.. See where I am going? Should have been more clear ;P

Nah, it says in the wiki she went to tag it, she isn't an arsonist. And I see what you mean about the perk making sense if he cheated death but I think it's more along the lines of surviving Vietnam and the majority of the outbreak with breaking mentally

I am not saying he is "alive"... But that well.. Say his soul.. Or.. Whatever.. He managed keep on living, by being obducted by the entity.. Eh whatever

[Wretched72]

Originally posted by Captain Thanatos:

Originally posted by Wretched Egg:

Nah, it says in the wiki she went to tag it, she isn't an arsonist. And I see what you mean about the perk making sense if he cheated death but I think it's more along the lines of surviving Vietnam and the majority of the outbreak with breaking mentally

I am not saying he is "alive"... But that well.. Say his soul.. Or.. Whatever.. He managed keep on living, by being obducted by the entity.. Eh whatever

Oh, I know you not saying he's alive, i might not have been clear in my original post, I'm saying they all might be dead and that's how you end up in this place.

[Mari]

Originally posted by Wretched Egg:

Originally posted by Captain Thanatos:

I am not saying he is "alive"... But that well.. Say his soul.. Or.. Whatever.. He managed keep on living, by being obducted by the entity.. Eh whatever

Oh, I know you not saying he's alive, i might not have been clear in my original post, I'm saying they all might be dead and that's how you end up in this place.

I am very tired.. So I forgot kinda XD Don't judge xP

Well, I think it may differ, from survivor to survivor...
First off, I do not support the theory that survivors becomes killers.. It just don't make sense, and all the killers we have, have never been survivors...

But, the thing that makes me question these things, are Ace.. Cause it says that the ones who knew him, knew that he'd survive against all odds.. He just disappeared... OHHHHHHHHH! Listen to this..

Most of the survivors, joining killers in certain chapters, were most likely alive.. Bill on the other hand, has no killer with him.. He was left, he was alone.. So he was dead, but the others weren't... See where I am going? (I know I can be very unclear, so I can try and explain it better)

[Lamb Sauce]

Time does not work the same way in the Entity's realm as it does in the real world. Assuming that the Entity can bend time because of this and assuming the possibility of multiple existing time streams, the Entity merely picked a dying Bill in a time stream that is not the same we see in L4D.
But that's just high-end theory crafting here. One things is true, though: the Entity's realm is cut off from time and space of the real world and you only get there if the Entity wants you there.

[Lizzardtong]

there are many theories we could come up with how Bill made it to the realm of the entity.

maybe the survivors all died in some freak accident before they ended up there and the entity's realm is just the afterlife.

maybe the entity can control time and space, and teleported a dying bill to it's realm, which "revived" him in the Process, since you can't truly die here.

or maybe noone is safe, dead or alive, if the entity wants you, you are gonna end up in it's realm of terror. after all, Death is not an escape.