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Does the MMR ever lower you score?
It seems to be a myth, i lose 4/5 games, but still get matched up with players i can't beat been like this for many months now.
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mmr makes SEVERE compromises for queue times, this is why mmr is a joke, but also why matchmaking works. You can have 10K hours combined on your acc like I do and get people with 100 hours. It's pretty stupid, but needed.
Last edited by The Real Slug Shady; Jan 16 @ 2:32am
Mewsha Jan 16 @ 4:08am 
MMR in DbD is more of a suggestion.

The moment queue times start to increase, it starts searching outside your MMR bracket.

This wouldn't be so bad, but there are so few brackets in DbD. So you could get matched with people who are mostly in your bracket, and still have such a huge skill and game knowledge difference that wouldn't be present in any other PvP game that used an MMR system.

If that wasn't funny enough, you also have to take into account how wonky survivor grading is. For killer it's rather simple. 1 kill is a loss, 3+ kills is a win. For survivor it's simply an escape through the exit gate, and you could theoretically do nothing and even sandbag and be considered the better survivor based on current MMR standards being simply an escape or death. That's problematic for survivors considering escapes (and a killer loss) often hinges on teamwork. So even if we had stricter matchmaking that was in line with other games, you can see that there's a fundamental flaw.

It's best to think of DbD as only having a quick match mode. When they replaced the old color system they made it way worse. There was a legitimate reason to replace it. For example, a new player who started in the middle of the month would be waiting in queue for sometimes 10 minutes to find a match because it used to separate grey ranks and most people would be out of those ranks a week or two after reset. You also could get to rank 1, mainly as survivor, by simply playing the game a lot.

However this current MMR system is a joke, and you can tell they settled on it because it makes a lot of people think of games with serious matchmaking like League of Legends. Our MMR is hidden, and it gets cleanly swept under the rug.

As for my suggestion, watch streamers and if you're struggling with killer look for someone who specializes in playing that particular killer. That's how I learned killer. Matchmaking will never help you in its current state.
DocV Jan 16 @ 4:40am 
how many hours do you have? which killers do you play? we need more info
Wezqu Jan 16 @ 7:56am 
What I have noticed of matchmaking of this game only way you might know you are not in the MMR than you yourself are is if there were people in the lobby before you joined. Like if all four survivors were there before you joined as killer then most likely you are replacement killer and to my knowledge the game is not that picky when it has to replace people on already loaded lobbies. This is of course just my own observation nothing concrete.
someblk Jan 16 @ 8:03am 
Originally posted by Mewsha:
For killer it's rather simple. 1 kill is a loss, 3+ kills is a win.

Just writing this for clarification purposes mostly, as I did learn this differently in the past. As I've understood it, for killer, in regards to MMR, they are 1v1 with each survivor. In addition to this, their up/down in MMR is based on their own MMR score vs the MMR score of the other person.

So let's say for example they get 2 kills and there are 2 escapes (via gate). This equates to 2x wins and 2x losses. However, their total MMR can still go up or down based upon the MMR of those they either won or lost against. So let's say all 4 survivors had higher MMR than the killer, the net result would be their MMR increasing.
i wish the devs would confirm all this hearsay.
Originally posted by Mr. Giggles:
It seems to be a myth, i lose 4/5 games, but still get matched up with players i can't beat been like this for many months now.
On killer side
as I understand if I have max mmr on one killer
if i play skull over and over with 1K
the mmr wont drop to zero, Since of my top mmr killer

Will be nice to see how it will be with my vecna now when i givin back, rpd escape achiv + eye/hand chance should lower my mmr

well I am 100% sure mmr is active during normal play
With events I have in the past, in the mids of said event checked if mmr is on/off
all the times so far when it feels on or off, my search have been givin me the same result
eh why not (Banned) Jan 16 @ 11:24am 
I believe once you make it to a certain range you can not drop to the previous tier.
Originally posted by WhyDoYouCare:
I believe once you make it to a certain range you can not drop to the previous tier.
yeah it seems like it, i dont drop down even though i really struggle
Originally posted by WhyDoYouCare:
I believe once you make it to a certain range you can not drop to the previous tier.
I've let some killers fall out of "high mmr" that I thought were there. No way to know really but there is a noticeable difference on killers that I never kill on versus those that I do.

I think the problem OP has is that they are still playing to win but are expecting to derank when they lose. I think the game only does that when it sees you getting 0ks consecutively. So everytime you come back and 4k you are resetting it or something. Could also be a case of "2k is a loss to me" but the game doesn't think that way.
Originally posted by State Line Crosser:
Originally posted by WhyDoYouCare:
I believe once you make it to a certain range you can not drop to the previous tier.
I've let some killers fall out of "high mmr" that I thought were there. No way to know really but there is a noticeable difference on killers that I never kill on versus those that I do.

I think the problem OP has is that they are still playing to win but are expecting to derank when they lose. I think the game only does that when it sees you getting 0ks consecutively. So everytime you come back and 4k you are resetting it or something. Could also be a case of "2k is a loss to me" but the game doesn't think that way.
i lose most of my games so i should be downrank eventually?
Originally posted by Mr. Giggles:
i lose most of my games so i should be downrank eventually?
When you say lose what do you mean? 0, 1, 2? When you say most what do you mean.

When I derank I don't kill any of them for long periods of time. My suspicion is that you are roughly breaking even mmr wise and are staying where you are.
Originally posted by State Line Crosser:
Originally posted by Mr. Giggles:
i lose most of my games so i should be downrank eventually?
When you say lose what do you mean? 0, 1, 2? When you say most what do you mean.

When I derank I don't kill any of them for long periods of time. My suspicion is that you are roughly breaking even mmr wise and are staying where you are.
on survivor i survive 1/5 games, on killer i win 1/3 games, i count 3 killes as win. so my winrate is pretty bad, but i dont derank in the mmr system. For a month i only played houndmaster and with her my winrate is 1/5 but i still face strong teams after all this time
Originally posted by Mr. Giggles:
on survivor i survive 1/5 games, on killer i win 1/3 games, i count 3 killes as win. so my winrate is pretty bad, but i dont derank in the mmr system. For a month i only played houndmaster and with her my winrate is 1/5 but i still face strong teams after all this time
I'm just going to tell you how mmr works because I think it will help you to understand what I mean:

Every game is a 1v1 as far as mmr is concerned. If a survivor escapes through the exit gates the killer loses mmr and the survivor gains. The hatch does nothing to mmr. There is some weighting going on when there are high mmr differences between players and survivors are supposedly penalized by teammates dying. In most cases two kills is a net 0 for mmr.

So, if you win 1/3 games as a 3k but 2k one or both of the other ones you are gaining rank (or at least stagnating).

For survivor you should be deranking. I'd have to see your games to really know but if you aren't a strong survivor deranking is typically not beneficial because your team is also becoming worse.

For the houndmaster part: there is supposedly a system that boosts new killers to your average mmr. Everyone says this means you get your highest skill survivors at the start. I've only had the opposite: the lowest skill survivors. It usually takes me months to get a new killer out of baby games and I feel bad killing them tbh.
Last edited by State Line Crosser; Jan 16 @ 3:02pm
I think de-rank or MMR works differently between Survivors and Killers.

On survivor side, the more you de-rank the less likely you can escape because you still have to rely on your teammates to a certain degree. The lower your MMR, the worsen quality of your teammates unless you can carry them the entire match.

On killer side, it should be slightly better, you will eventually land on a MMR that suits you through losing. HOWEVER, the numbers of players that falls into your MMR in YOUR REGION may vary the result of the matchmaking. So if the system cannot match you with equivalent opponents, the system may give you survivors that are better than you (but also of course worse than you).
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