Official game stats are out

[Onichan]

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/433

with Sadako, Freddy, Pig and Myers being top 10 killers by killrate, 0 anti-tunneling perks being inside top 10 most used perks on the survivor side despite tunneling being #1 meta killer strat in pubs, Self-Care being inside top 10 most used survivor perks, 4-men SWFs having <50% escape rate around soft MMR cap, we can clearly notice what is actually the biggest problem inside this game, and it is the actual game knowledge of DbD commubity, especially pub survivors.

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Knowledge of the DbD community? Couldn't quite make sense of that!

The jump from 3 groups to 4 groups is quite interesting.

[Onichan]

Originally posted by Interrupted:

Knowledge of the DbD community? Couldn't quite make sense of that!

The jump from 3 groups to 4 groups is quite interesting.

it was always obvious that players are the biggest reason for every game related problem. Stats are just further proving it

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by Interrupted:

Knowledge of the DbD community? Couldn't quite make sense of that!

The jump from 3 groups to 4 groups is quite interesting.

My understanding is they're saying too many survs aren't taking in perks to counter killer strats and taking in perks like selfcare, which is considered trash, last I checked.

[Crazy muffin]

For some reason the stat dont surprise me but how the hell M1 killer are killing so much like dont survivor know the basic rule of looping.

At some point im starting to believe the dev fix those stats because i never see self care in my game but apparently its 1 of the most use perk in the game.

[Samtar]

I feel like any stats that are not specifically for high mmr just tell you that the average player is not that good. Kill rates? The top 10 killers, except Spirit, arent even that good. They just require the survivor to play around some sort of a side objective or/and the killer has stealth.

Originally posted by Crazy muffin:

At some point im starting to believe the dev fix those stats because i never see self care in my game but apparently its 1 of the most use perk in the game.

Something to note is that self care: 1. Is a free perk and 2. Most players dont want to feel like they have to rely on their teammates, so they take self care. Even though it is objectively a bad perk without botany.

[Koketepeto]

Originally posted by Crazy muffin:

For some reason the stat dont surprise me but how the hell M1 killer are killing so much like dont survivor know the basic rule of looping.

At some point im starting to believe the dev fix those stats because i never see self care in my game but apparently its 1 of the most use perk in the game.

The thing is, you can rank up as survivor with 0 killer interaction so...

[The_Assassin]

Skull merchant on number 1 of deadlyest killers does also proof how statistics dont tell the full story and can be interpreted very wildly. We all know many people just give up against her.

Not seeing nurse here in the top 10 deadlyest, so she is officcially not the strongest killer in the game. (Even when she can just ignore every wall in game)

Pickrates and survivor group performance does make sense, but also not every 4man swf automaticly wins because they played well, it can be same situation with skull merchant, where killers just give up or dont try so hard because they think they lose anyway.

[The_Assassin]

Originally posted by Crazy muffin:

For some reason the stat dont surprise me but how the hell M1 killer are killing so much like dont survivor know the basic rule of looping.

At some point im starting to believe the dev fix those stats because i never see self care in my game but apparently its 1 of the most use perk in the game.

People that play freddy usually main him, you have to remember because m1 killers dont have any good powers meaning the players playing them regular have to have very good game sense and map knowledge, so usually players playing very good in general are giving freddy high killrates.

does not mean the killers are particular strong, just the players choosing to play weaker killers are better at game in general.

[Onichan]

Originally posted by The_Assassin:

Skull merchant on number 1 of deadlyest killers does also proof how statistics dont tell the full story and can be interpreted very wildly. We all know many people just give up against her.

this is what i am talking about, and this is the reason why stats are definitely something that is absolutely unreliable for any balance discussions in this game, they are heavily inflated by players themselves, not by balance.

Originally posted by The_Assassin:

Not seeing nurse here in the top 10 deadlyest, so she is officcially not the strongest killer in the game. (Even when she can just ignore every wall in game)

my wild guess is that too many people are picking Nurse up because they hear "she is strongest killer in the game/4K machine" but they aren't realizing that it isn't very easy to reach that stage where you can actually do something with her.

[The_Assassin]

Originally posted by Onichan:

this is what i am talking about, and this is the reason why stats are definitely something that is absolutely unreliable for any balance discussions in this game, they are heavily inflated by players themselves, not by balance.

yes, statistic are mostly just trumpets for displaying certain narrative. And this is not only true for DBD, here it is not so bad. But politics does that all the time someone releasing statistics then saying they have proof for their case when in reality they nitpick a certain part of the full thing.

Originally posted by Onichan:

my wild guess is that too many people are picking Nurse up because they hear "she is strongest killer in the game/4K machine" but they aren't realizing that it isn't very easy to reach that stage where you can actually do something with her.

You are probably right, i dont find nurse extreme hard to learn when you have much basic game knowledge but i dont like playing her, to a point where i barely touch her in the 3 years im playing this game now, because not only hard to learn distance she also get stuck on random walls and upper floor and down floor are nightmare. Very frustrating killer to learn, not friendly to new players if even someone with almost 2k hours cant stand it.

[Onichan]

Originally posted by The_Assassin:

You are probably right, i dont find nurse extreme hard to learn when you have much basic game knowledge but i dont like playing her, to a point where i barely touch her in the 3 years im playing this game now, because not only hard to learn distance she also get stuck on random walls and upper floor and down floor are nightmare. Very frustrating killer to learn, not friendly to new players if even someone with almost 2k hours cant stand it.

i am yet to even play her (just for adept lol) and i don't wanna touch her ever again.
But yeah, new players have low game knowledge, she can't be played as an M1 killer when you miss your blinks (and they will miss a lot) and there are various other things about her not friendly with new players, but those want to play her nonetheless just because they heard she is the strongest killer in the game

[The_Assassin]

Originally posted by Onichan:

Originally posted by The_Assassin:

You are probably right, i dont find nurse extreme hard to learn when you have much basic game knowledge but i dont like playing her, to a point where i barely touch her in the 3 years im playing this game now, because not only hard to learn distance she also get stuck on random walls and upper floor and down floor are nightmare. Very frustrating killer to learn, not friendly to new players if even someone with almost 2k hours cant stand it.

i am yet to even play her (just for adept lol) and i don't wanna touch her ever again.
But yeah, new players have low game knowledge, she can't be played as an M1 killer when you miss your blinks (and they will miss a lot) and there are various other things about her not friendly with new players, but those want to play her nonetheless just because they heard she is the strongest killer in the game

And she is one of the few free to play killers aswell.

I have no clue how much is included to base game, but i think it is just billy, wraith, trapper ofc and nurse? Maybe huntress too. So the pool is very limited and people are more likely to try out "strongest killer in the game" when it is one of the few aviable for free.

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Self care sounds like a good perk when you're new.

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Originally posted by The_Assassin:

Originally posted by Crazy muffin:

For some reason the stat dont surprise me but how the hell M1 killer are killing so much like dont survivor know the basic rule of looping.

At some point im starting to believe the dev fix those stats because i never see self care in my game but apparently its 1 of the most use perk in the game.

People that play freddy usually main him, you have to remember because m1 killers dont have any good powers meaning the players playing them regular have to have very good game sense and map knowledge, so usually players playing very good in general are giving freddy high killrates.

does not mean the killers are particular strong, just the players choosing to play weaker killers are better at game in general.

Might also be that people play Freddy at lower ranks, but quickly work out they should change killer.

[Donut]

Originally posted by LittleEtherKitty:

Originally posted by Interrupted:

Knowledge of the DbD community? Couldn't quite make sense of that!

The jump from 3 groups to 4 groups is quite interesting.

My understanding is they're saying too many survs aren't taking in perks to counter killer strats and taking in perks like selfcare, which is considered trash, last I checked.

Am i the only one that likes and still uses Selfcare? Been using it since i can remember and while its niche and there's for sure faaaar better perks, i find it extremely useful because there's far too many times you'll have survivors across the map doing whatever unable to heal you or yet the ones right next to you that ignore you to do gens

While i could easily not bring the perk and instead bring something a bit more team friendly, I do find sometimes you'll have a bad party and by the time it takes to find a survivor and for them to actually heal you, i could have just sat behind a wall and healed myself, The perk is not great and is a tad bit selfish since your wasting time healing yourself instead of gens, i do find it more reliable lol