The 'shift w' meta is so boring...

[Red Luster YT]

I just want to chase, I want to play, I would be fine getting smacked by a pallet...but my god I am so done with this 'start running the moment the killer looks in my direction' bs because it's so unfun. Yes, I know, I will 'eventually' catch up, but it takes FOREVER when not using a mobile killer and the sheer amount of time wasting it does makes the gens pop left and right. And when you do finally catch up and hit them?
Shift w across the whole map.

[NuclearHendrix]

WTF...

[Red Luster YT]

Първоначално публикувано от 󠀡󠀡:

Първоначално публикувано от Red Luster YT:

I just want to chase, I want to play, I would be fine getting smacked by a pallet...but my god I am so done with this 'start running the moment the killer looks in my direction' bs because it's so unfun. Yes, I know, I will 'eventually' catch up, but it takes FOREVER when not using a mobile killer and the sheer amount of time wasting it does makes the gens pop left and right. And when you do finally catch up and hit them?
Shift w across the whole map.

So... you don't want people to use spine chill to notify them of your presence, but you still want BBQ to take you right to them?

Sigh...

...Where did this question even come from? It's completely unrelated and frankly a really dumb argument to even make. I'll never understand people who complain about bbq like it's some op perk when all it does is tell you the general area a far away survivor is, but people act like it makes them exposed, the aura is forever, and the killer gets 300% movement speed from it. @.@

[Cujo]

I discovered this "meta" about half a year ago, and I've always known that it would catch on and as more and more people realized there would start being these posts about it.

The Hold W meta is simply the most effective way to play the game against most killers. It takes the killer so long to catch up that playing differently is really just a disadvantage in chase. Simply run as far as you can, judge the distance from the killer so you enter a loop when you no longer could make it to the next tile, play the tile, and repeat every time the killer makes a mistake and loses distance. You can drag out chases to 4 gen, 5 gens easy if the killer refuses to drop the chase.

It has no real disadvantages over straight looping as long as you can properly judge distance and always make it to a loop before the killer can close to lunge range. You're just looping the whole map instead of running from tile to tile, burning through parts of the map in the process. Instead you're hitting every third tile or more, creating a better balance of pallets unused across the map. This means less deadzones, more resources for later chases, and longer chase times. You're evenly burning a map's pallets rather than spot burning, in other words.

Of course, this doesn't work against every killer. Spirit laughs at your attempts, but then again Spirit laughs at anything. Nurse and Billy are less affected by it, Deathslinger can negate it, Trickster can send you email spam, and Trapper can disconnect. So it's not a perfect silver bullet, use on everyone strat.

But It's just like complaining about genrushing. They are playing the game optimally. If you don't like it, don't get mad at them, get mad at the devs for allowing it to be the optimal playstyle.

[LizBlizz]

Some people here seem to be under the misconception that the cause of this is that Survivors just don't care for looping potential or mindgames and are all running optimal SWF teams where they can just run off into a corner and earn enough time for 2 gens to pop.

The "Hold W meta", as some would call it, isn't the cause, it's a symptom. Over the years we've been getting more and more Killers with the capacity to shut down loops entirely or incredibly early. Killers like Pyramidhead, Nemesis, Trickster, Spirit and Deathslinger are all capable hitting you through pallets/windows or in the case of Spirit, force the Survivor into a 50/50.
Let's not even talk about Nurse.

What happens when half the loops in a map become unsafe or downright useless? People realize the most reliable way to extend the chase is to simply run away as far as humanly possible.

[Schorl Tourmaline]

Първоначално публикувано от Red Luster YT:

I just want to chase, I want to play, I would be fine getting smacked by a pallet...but my god I am so done with this 'start running the moment the killer looks in my direction' bs because it's so unfun. Yes, I know, I will 'eventually' catch up, but it takes FOREVER when not using a mobile killer and the sheer amount of time wasting it does makes the gens pop left and right. And when you do finally catch up and hit them?
Shift w across the whole map.

So it's bad for survs to play smart? If you're so worried about them running away too soon, use stealth perks/killers.

[:D]

Първоначално публикувано от Cujo:

I discovered this "meta" about half a year ago, and I've always known that it would catch on

wow u invented running from the killer get this man a nobel prize wth

[Cujo]

Първоначално публикувано от Piggy:

Първоначално публикувано от Cujo:

I discovered this "meta" about half a year ago, and I've always known that it would catch on

wow u invented running from the killer get this man a nobel prize wth

Discovered as in I became aware of it, you uncooked hotdog. I didn't invent it, nor did I claim to.

[:D]

Първоначално публикувано от Cujo:

you uncooked hotdog

xD

thats pretty good :'D

[Red Luster YT]

To clear things up, this isn't an attack against those players, this is the sheer fact that current balancing makes it SUCH a good option.
It's just boring to play against.

[Rane]

that is why they should make maps smaller and more interactive. NOT like that stupid new labyrint map where u only hold w

[RamboRusina]

It's hard problem to solve. The W meta is big part of why you see same mobile killers constantly and why rest of killers struggle so much. They can both catch up to W-gamers and they can also use their power on a lot of loops.
- If you make killer faster baseline you also help them in loops.
- If you introduce something like stamina to survivor big open maps with less pallets become next to impossible for them.
- They could alter bloodlust to rise(and lose) quickly by simply keeping gaze in survivor(would reward loops losing LoS) which would probably be best solution. Yet at same time we know devs plan to get rid of bloodlust in future so it's rather unlikely to happen.
- They could lower basic running speed tad I suppose and make it current regular speed when killer is within something like 20m I guess, but it would just feel such artificial solution.

[Shaman]

Give me 10-15 more pallets on each map and i wont abuse distance. Right now understanding when to just hold W is kinda needed.

[Red Luster YT]

Първоначално публикувано от Shaman:

Give me 10-15 more pallets on each map and i wont abuse distance. Right now understanding when to just hold W is kinda needed.

Honestly I think a good idea is just a set amount of spawns, that way we won't have barren no pallet maps and no more pallet cities.

[♕ JingShen Wáng ♕]

Just reduce the red light from Killers, this would be enough for the game.

Moonwalk, mindgames (loop until next year chase)....na

It feels more like you are a car or train with big red lamps.

[:D]

Първоначално публикувано от ♱ JingShen♱:

Just reduce the red light from Killers, this would be enough for the game.

What amazes me is that the red stain, scratch marks, aura readings were even conceptualized in the first place.

Seems like just leaving fate up to the merits of your own skill and game sense would have been adequate, without adding all these additional tools.