Looping

[sergeantawesome]

How do I get better at it? I have had survivors spin circles right in front of me where I completely missed a hit. I want to do that?

Do people find it is better to loop with a controller or keyboard and mouse?

More importantly, how do I stop it as a killer? Had a few matches here-or-there where one survivor had mastered it to the point I knew there was absolutely no way I was going to catch them. I have never been so frustratingly impressed. It was really something to see. I just gave up on them entirely. It really was awesome to see, I was never even close.

[Infrasound]

run a bot match vs trapper and just run tiles. If you can record what you're doing to watch it back later it might help if you're really serious. Other thing, run pretty much sideways, you can strafe run, go watch good YT'ers you will see what i mean, they're running 85ish degrees sideways using strafe so they can hit corners perfectly and not lose ground to the killer.

As for god loopers, at 25 seconds drop chase and try catch them off guard later in the trial. If you're not gonna catch them quickly leave the chase or throw the trial.

[Vortex]

dont respect pallets and break them, learn how to mind game people around loops dont tunnel high skill survivors around 5 gens then complain as to why you've lost learn how to apply pressure when to commit to a chase and when to leave and how to cycle around generators as well as punishing altruism when you can in other words when they heal/unhook ect and also how to hide your red stain this'll be the best you can do as killer in general terms and the 0.01% comm squads with the best perks items with 5k+ hours will always ruin your day no matter how well you play unless you play like nurse or blight and even then unless your really good you cant do much its just how it is and btw most suvs are well lacking and thats be well being very polite so you shouldint have that much of a terrible time assuming your at the very least decent

[CJ]

"Do people find it is better to loop with a controller or keyboard and mouse?"

I personally find KBM to be better, but I was originally a controller player from Xbox before I migrated to PC. Controller is great, but KBM does provide more flexibility in how you move. If I were to play using a controller right now, it would feel clunky and the movement of my character would feel linear to me. TL;DR: It is up to you. Both are fine.

"how do I stop it as a killer?"

You bait them out, like you would bait dead hard. You can pretend you're going to swing by briefly looking upward and if they spin, STOP and back up immediately. Their spin will be rendered useless and they'll be right in front of you to down. As some other people have already stated, DROP CHASE. It is the most important thing you can do to preserve your match. If you've killed or downed the weaker ones, rest assured you will catch them at the very end. A Survivor team is only as good as its weakest link.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originally posted by sergeantawesome:

More importantly, how do I stop it as a killer?

1. Break every pallet you can. You waste some time, but it pays off later.

2. By leaving them alone. It's a waste of time to chase survs that are great at looping, and certain areas of the map can provide infinite loops in the hands of a skilled surv. You gotta use "hit and run" tactics and catch them off guard in another opportunity.

I always play with m/k, never tried a controller in the game tbh.

[WingPonyMedic | TTV]

Learning survivors patterns, knowing what loops connect where, and most importantly, know when to NOT chase.
Unless im a non-M1 killer, ill never let a survivor initiate a chase at shack if it will likely waste too much time

[Marty84]

When you learn to loop against the killer, then you will understand how to get survivors. I recommend watching YT, where I learned a little bit about running away from the killer. Same videos for the killers.

[sergeantawesome]

So far, a lot of really great advice!

I kept breaking pallets after a chase, whether I gave up on it or after I hooked someone as I felt it wasted too much time. But, I see how doing it right there and then would be helpful later if that same survivor, or another survivor, ran through that same spot and was anticipating a pallet that ended up being destroyed.

I never thought about faking hitting someone before. That's a good one!

Sometimes I get survivor's chase patterns, but the more experienced ones I end up getting played on. Some just stick around the window and wait to see which direction I go in, and will even know if I fake it. I have to do much better with that.

What are some ways to hide your red stain?

[Infrasound]

What are some ways to hide your red stain?

Moonwalking is one, turning slightlight sideways when on walls so it doesn't go through is another,

[Mewsha]

Do not play killer with a controller. It's terrible in my opinion.

As survivor it's less straight forward, but generally you want to use a mouse and keyboard because you can turn corners much tighter than with a controller. However I don't think it's necessary, it's just optimal.

Secondly understand what kind of map you're on. If you're on The Game, and you're breaking every pallet, then you auto lose. There's simply too many pallets on that map, but not all of them are strong looping pallets. They're make distance pallets, i.e. make the killer break bloodlust by breaking the pallet or make them go around it.

They're not ones you can run around. However if I see a killer is breaking every pallet, then I'm zooming away, and it's really easy to break LoS on that map.

They can be chained together in some cases, so I don't break some and break others depending on the context.

In general when it comes to breaking pallets you should judge how strong it is first before investing the time. Always break shack pallet. Always break pallets where there's no way for you to reliably swing around. An example of that would again be on The Game with those two pallets near basement. Unless that one door is open, you need to break both of them because it's safe for the survivor. You can never hit them with M1.

Another example would be a pallet between two large rocks. It's a safe pallet for the survivor, break it.

Of course how safe pallets are depends on the killer you're playing too. Huntress for example makes a lot of pallets unsafe to loop at. Nurse makes pallets unsafe entirely.

Some loops are just way too safe in this game. Look at Badham preschool. If a survivor takes you there, then you need to be prepared for like a 2 min chase if you're playing as an M1 killer. Can you afford that? Gens take 80 seconds at base to complete, then you have to pick up the survivor and hook them. If it's your first chase, no you can't. Do not chase the survivor there. You will lose several gens. If it's just 2 survivors left, then yeah go for it.

A select few maps have a ton of dead zones where you don't have to think about looping like Sheltered Woods.

Jungle gyms (high wall window structures), are where you can be most effective with mind games. Trying to mindgame a loop where the survivor has vision of you is just going to waste your time.

As a side note, it's better as killer to carve out 3-4 close together gens that you can patrol rather than trying to stop every gen from being completed on the map and chasing survivors from point A to point B.

W gamers as they're called are more prevalent than loopers. They will take a hit, then zoom across the map. In general it's a bad idea to chase them when it's outside of your patrol route.

There's really no easy guide we could give you for every situation because all maps and killers change the equation, even the situation you're in can have an impact on what you should do. You just have to play the game and learn the maps.

[Vortex]

moon walking is pretty much walking backwards or on your side to hide the frontal red stain when they're looking to see if your headed their way you can also pretend to be going one way then walk backwards and head the other way to mind game them into a specific direction and then just hit them afterwards but only do this sort of stuff against decent players good ones wont fall for it once they know that you do that so do it sparingly and only do it on loops that block their view and dont have holes in them like shack it wont work on good survs and dont bother minding gaming survivors that just hold w forward without even bothering to look back you'll just waste time, mind gaming can also count as faking hits or faking breaking a pallet by looking down and just standing there to bait them into walking around a loop so you can hit them and in the case of the spirit you can fake using your power to bait them towards you so you can hit them but likely wont work on good survivors who will expect it.

[miketheratguy]

I expected everyone to respond to this by just posting a video from Otz and saying the equivalent of "do everything he says, he is the master of all things". Thank you for surprising me.

[Zolrac]

if u see someone doing a fast vault on a window everytime its a cheater and its faster than ur speed ive encountered a lot of cheaters and its annoying to play as killer now

[NarkoTri1er]

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

1. Break every pallet you can. You waste some time, but it pays off later.

don't break just every palets, there are lot of pallets that can even work extremely in your favor if you manage to make survivors use the pallet to slide.