Countering Hyperfocus

[AsianGirlLover]

I’ve been enjoying a few casual matches as Wesker lately, but I’ve been noticing a pattern: 2 or 3 survivors per match are running Hyperfocus, Stakeout, This is Not Happening, and Commodious Toolboxes. As you can imagine, gens flew fast. This left me at an impasse: either guard a 3 gen and slowly carve down their numbers, or let them finish the last gen and move on to the next match.

So, rather than complaining and asking for a nerf, how about we talk solutions? I’ve had a lot more success on Wraith, but less fun. I’ve also gotten value out of Plaything and Trail of Torment. Besides that, I just run endgame perks since it’s almost guaranteed that the game is going to be over in 5 minutes if 2 or more survivors run that build.

This is coming from a guy that likes to play Wesker without any slowdown, so… any advice on how to have fun without sweaty builds would be welcome.

[Armskul]

..Unfortunately, the best thing I personally can suggest is to get slowdown perks or HOPE that the survivors you're going against are over confident and with very fragile egos.

Again, personal opinion here, I'm going with Legion with things that barely touch gens but the thing is, I'm fast with Legion, so theres that.

[Lialexen]

never seen hyperfocus other than maybe W day 1 with rebecca so cant really give any advice for it. you're getting really unlucky if you're seeing that many its not used much at all

[AsianGirlLover]

Originally posted by Lialexen:

never seen hyperfocus other than maybe W day 1 with rebecca so cant really give any advice for it. you're getting really unlucky if you're seeing that many its not used much at all

I suspect I’ve sent myself to MMR hell due to consistently getting 4Ks every match with Wesker. As punishment for my success, I’ve been damned to facing sweatier and sweatier teams.

I might just be tempted to throw games and just farm with him for a while so I can get back to a casual MMR.

[limierr]

If you want a discussion, i don't mind.
So what is the perk ? Here is the description : (https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Hyperfocus)

After hitting a Great Skill while repairing or healing, Hyperfocus gains 1 Token, up to a maximum of 6 Tokens
For each Token, the following stack-able effects are applied:

Increases the Skill Check Trigger odds by +4 % per Token. => + 24% + 8% (default value)
Increases the Skill Check Rotation speed by +4 % per Token.
Increases the Skill Check Bonus progression by 10/20/30 % of its base value per Token. => can go to 180%.

Hyperfocus loses all Tokens when succeeding a Good Skill Check, failing a Skill Check, or if the action is interrupted by any means.

To that we need to add that :
=> Toolbox can also increase skillcheck frequency by 40% which can be a strong combo to get token fast. And if you pair up with built to last you can have for each gen, a good start.
=> BNP skillcheck work with it. It means that per default if you use this addons, you already cumulate tokens.
=> Other perks killer to apply skillcheck ? Didn't test so i prefer to not say wrong things.
=> The perk lose all tokens after a few conditions which are a nice idea.


So the people where it would apply are people used to hit skillcheck (old ruin players) or the people who adapt their build with stakeout for exemple.

What a killer can do against that ?
1) In case of pair up stakeout, you need to use perks to hide radius or use specifc killers.
2) you can try to apply pressure, which works if one person run the perk or everyone together.
3) You can try unervening presence to make skillcheck harder but the people used to hit the zone won't feel the difference.
4) You can take franklin to remove items to stop temporary the source of skillcheck but that works if everyone are together.
5) you can camp and tunnel the guy with the perk ... good luck.
6) You can try to use gen block perks : they will good to increase even more the issue but it won't solve the dammage already done.
7) You can try perks like thanathophobia or dying light ... good luck.


For solution without including a nerf / fix or a change ? i don't have.

[OldWhovian]

Two ways of countering this I've found:
1. A strong anti-gen build. Pop, Eruption, Tinkerer's, and Brutal Strength (you can swap Brutal, I just like to shorten gen kicking time when I have a build around it).
2. Play for the end game: No Way Out, NOED/Terminus, Coup, any other perk you like. Maybe Rancor so you can mori the obsession and remove one survivor from the game.

[Campers wear Pampers]

just dodge lobbies where more than ! person has a toolbox

[OldWhovian]

Originally posted by Campers wear Pampers:

just dodge lobbies where more than ! person has a toolbox

If it's not multiple BNP Commodious toolboxes these days it's purple medkits with Syptic/Hemorrhagic. The cost of cheaper bloodwebs is everyone can afford to bring top tier items+add-ons most games. I've gotten 30+ of each since that patch and I see no reason not to bring them all the time unless I'm just taking pity on the killer I'm about to genrush.

[Toki]

Yesterday I played as blight and by the time I injured the first one (wasn't that late in) 3 gens went off at the same time... they were all running it.
Meanwhile, when I play as survivor they all bomb rush unhooks for BPs and they walk around.

[Star Taker ✨]

gearhead?

[OldWhovian]

Originally posted by Team = Ass:

Yesterday I played as blight and by the time I injured the first one (wasn't that late in) 3 gens went off at the same time... they were all running it.
Meanwhile, when I play as survivor they all bomb rush unhooks for BPs and they walk around.

Yeah that's how it is in DBD. Survivors when you play survivor are the most moronic and useless human beings alive. They play for Hatch and Unhooks. That's it. Then you play killer and survivors suddenly do gens perfectly; even min-maxing hook time to rescue at the last moment to get the most out of Hyperfocus+Prove Thyself. The worst part is; there is an auto-skill check tool now; so you can hit Great checks with 99% accuracy using a screen reading tool (game can't detect that) and there's absolutely no way to know if those 25s gens are legit. Heck, you can't even know if it's hyperfocus until the post game; subtle cheaters are so happy with that perk.

[AsianGirlLover]

Originally posted by Ashito Aoi:

gearhead?

Oh damn, that’s actually really good if you’re already running Call of Brine.

Originally posted by Team = Ass:

Yesterday I played as blight and by the time I injured the first one (wasn't that late in) 3 gens went off at the same time... they were all running it.
Meanwhile, when I play as survivor they all bomb rush unhooks for BPs and they walk around.

Yup, this is the price for the winning too much - you get sent to killer hell.

Originally posted by OldWhovian:

Two ways of countering this I've found:
1. A strong anti-gen build. Pop, Eruption, Tinkerer's, and Brutal Strength (you can swap Brutal, I just like to shorten gen kicking time when I have a build around it).
2. Play for the end game: No Way Out, NOED/Terminus, Coup, any other perk you like. Maybe Rancor so you can mori the obsession and remove one survivor from the game.

Yeah, when I’ve accepted that I’m doomed to have a gen rush game, I usually go with Rancor, Nemesis, Spirit Fury, No Way Out. It’s so satisfying when you can pull off 2 or 3 kills. Makes it feel fun regardless of whether gens get done or not.

[limierr]

Originally posted by Ashito Aoi:

gearhead?

Good idea on the principe, but you will rely on a fast first hit and it will just reveal you survivors. If they spread , you won't be able to do much.

[OldWhovian]

Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:

Originally posted by Ashito Aoi:

gearhead?

Oh damn, that’s actually really good if you’re already running Call of Brine.

Originally posted by Team = Ass:

Yesterday I played as blight and by the time I injured the first one (wasn't that late in) 3 gens went off at the same time... they were all running it.
Meanwhile, when I play as survivor they all bomb rush unhooks for BPs and they walk around.

Yup, this is the price for the winning too much - you get sent to killer hell.

Originally posted by OldWhovian:

Two ways of countering this I've found:
1. A strong anti-gen build. Pop, Eruption, Tinkerer's, and Brutal Strength (you can swap Brutal, I just like to shorten gen kicking time when I have a build around it).
2. Play for the end game: No Way Out, NOED/Terminus, Coup, any other perk you like. Maybe Rancor so you can mori the obsession and remove one survivor from the game.

Yeah, when I’ve accepted that I’m doomed to have a gen rush game, I usually go with Rancor, Nemesis, Spirit Fury, No Way Out. It’s so satisfying when you can pull off 2 or 3 kills. Makes it feel fun regardless of whether gens get done or not.

Oh yeah; butchering gen rushers after they got their 5 gens done and they're all excited to get an escape is almost as satisfying as the waves of salt that follow in the Post-Game chat.
"Baby killer NOED"
"LOL l2p we should have won"
"toxic build -rep get looped"

[i killed god]

You can try to force a 3-gen if you catch it early, and pressure them as much as possible. Otherwise, yeah. Hyperfocus+Stakeout is busted.

[76561199244198778]

Apply pressure on multiple survivors. Interrupt gens. Run whispers and find survivors in your tr fast don't let them get SO tokens👍